iPhone X Face ID got fooled by brothers who ARE NOT TWINS

[Red Hardware]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

To be fair it looks like Apple hasn't exactly mastered facial recognition

I feel the same. Although many people including me don't use apple products , but most of the people know apple for waiting for a tech to get mature enough and then start using it in their products . It doesn't look to be the same thing for Face ID

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, Tech_Dreamer said:

"We've met with Hollywood professional mask makers to replicate the face details & make sure the Face id system can't be fooled "

 

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                       - Phil Schiller

Were they the ones that made replicas of Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage's faces for a single Hollywood myth?

 

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Tech_Dreamer said:

Turns out you don't need one in this case

? Not sure what you are getting at. You brought in a quote from a completely unrelated way to try and breach FaceID. 

 

This used brothers, which Apple already said could fool it!

[Red Hardware]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Evidence? Show me one case where two completely unrelated people were able to fool FaceID into thinking it was the owner of the phone. 

Should it happen in real life ? These videos are evidence that this might happen in future

btw you are an Apple fan and i don't think i'll be able to convince you 

[themctipers]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And I would have to say that Apple had only ever used one outside of the passcode fallback. 

 

iPhone-5: Passcode, iPhone 5s-8: TouchID and Passcode, iPhone X: FaceID and Passcode. 

 

Where was the outcry then? 

I was pretty sure that there was a small outcry at TouchID in the 5s, but it proved itself. 

[Tech_Dreamer]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

? Not sure what you are getting at. You brought in a quote from a completely unrelated way to try and breach FaceID. 

 

This used brothers, which Apple already said could fool it!

Not sure what you're getting at , so you're admitting it failed but not failed? same as odds of guessing passwords combination is?

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, Red Hardware said:

These videos are evidence that this might happen in future

Its evidence that FaceID can be fooled by your brother or sister. 

 

Last I checked Apple had a whole slide with the mirror universe Mr. Spock from Star Trek on it that they used to say this.......

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Tech_Dreamer said:

so you're admitting it failed but not failed?

I am not admitting anything, I'm telling you what Apple said about their technology. 

 

Siblings and twins can fool it under the right circumstances. 

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And I would have to say that Apple had only ever used one outside of the passcode fallback. 

 

iPhone-5: Passcode, iPhone 5s-8: TouchID and Passcode, iPhone X: FaceID and Passcode. 

 

Where was the outcry then? 

well back then, it was actually a master of one. touchID on iPhones was the best fingerprint sensor on a phone ever (and probably still is the best on iPhone 8).

they switched to something that worked worse, so people are mad.

I don't think that anyone can deny that touchID was more convenient, and I'd personally feel safer using fingerprint rather than face.

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7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And I would have to say that Apple had only ever used one outside of the passcode fallback. 

 

iPhone-5: Passcode, iPhone 5s-8: TouchID and Passcode, iPhone X: FaceID and Passcode. 

 

Where was the outcry then? 

I have a theory, take it for what you will.

 

When touch ID launched, there were probably those who didn't get it and thought that this was super sci-fi next-gen FBI stuff that would make their phone a gazillion times more secure, but (I hope) by and large most people saw it for what it was - a great convenience feature, and nothing more.

 

Now, here comes face ID claiming to be 1M to 1 instead of a measly 50k to 1.  Just making that statement casts an impression of a focus on security, and so anything that shows it's not super strong is going to be nailed way harder.

 

Is that fair?  Is that even accurate?  idk.  Just a theory

[AresKrieger]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

Where was the outcry then? 

I think people just liked the touch id more than the face id, and apple's hyping of the new software was hyperbolic as usual.

 

Granted I couldn't care either way I just like laughing at their expense, i feel this way about most companies just apple has a snobbish image so it's even funnier to poke fun at their nonsense.

[RadiatingLight]

4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

? Not sure what you are getting at. You brought in a quote from a completely unrelated way to try and breach FaceID. 

 

This used brothers, which Apple already said could fool it!

saying it doesn't negate the issue though.

my brother and I look extremely similar, so I'd never trust faceID. it's a definite downside, even if apple preemptively mentioned it.

[Tech_Dreamer]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

I am not admitting anything, I'm telling you what Apple said about their technology. 

of course you're not

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

and I'd personally feel safer using fingerprint rather than face.

Looking at the numbers that they claim, combined with the inability of anyone to fool FaceID without a sibling, combined with the ease at which you can lift a fingerprint and fool TouchID......I can handedly say I would rather use FaceID. Especially because I don't have siblings. 

[suicidalfranco]

1 minute ago, RadiatingLight said:

they switched to something that worked worse

better, they switched to something that works better. Apple doesn't know the meaning of worse nor di they have it in their vocabulary

[RadiatingLight]

Just now, Ryan_Vickers said:

I have a theory, take it for what you will.

 

When touch ID launched, there were probably those who didn't get it and thought that this was super sci-fi next-gen FBI stuff that would make their phone a gazillion times more secure, but (I hope) by and large most people saw it for what it was - a great convenience feature, and nothing more.

 

Now, here comes face ID claiming to be 1M to 1 instead of a measly 50k to 1.  Just making that statement casts an impression of a focus on security, and so anything that shows it's not super strong is going to be nailed way harder.

 

Is that fair?  Is that even accurate?  idk.  Just a theory

I think it's just the fact that it's seen as a step backwards. I've never seen a video of two people being able to unlock an iPhone with touchID because they have the same fingerprint. so less secure, and less convenient. that's why people hate it.

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Looking at the numbers that they claim, combined with the inability of anyone to fool FaceID without a sibling, combined with the ease at which you can lift and fool TouchID......I can handedly say I would rather use FaceID. Especially because I don't have siblings. 

how do you fool touchID? if your response is a silicone finger mold, then that's just crazy stupid.

[done12many2]

23 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

So two brothers who have a similar facial structure were not able to fool FaceID, only AFTER one of the brothers put on glasses were they able to fool it........

 

If its not obvious to the thread by now, the glasses eliminated enough projected dots to match that the phone allowed him to unlock it because his brother looks like him......

 

People can look identical without being twins....(And Apple said this already)

 

Also if it your sibling is that big of an issue use a damn passcode. 

 

 

Move along, move along. 

 

21 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

For the record it does work and is working as described. This includes the ability for siblings to be able to get into your phone if they look like you.

 

16 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I mean if you want to build a phone that does go ahead. Apple is going with FaceID and the complaints of the minority are irrelevant. 

 

And this is the problem with Samsung. There is no direction for the phone to go towards that is obvious. Samsung is still very much so a company that throws enough sh*t at the wall so some of it sticks. 

 

Sure you have options but at the cost of all of those options just being mediocre. Jack of all trades; master of none. 

 

14 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Evidence? Show me one case where two completely unrelated people were able to fool FaceID into thinking it was the owner of the phone. 

 

13 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

This is still the case. 

 

That statement was for people trying to fool FaceID with prosthetics. 

 

10 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And I would have to say that Apple had only ever used one outside of the passcode fallback. 

 

iPhone-5: Passcode, iPhone 5s-8: TouchID and Passcode, iPhone X: FaceID and Passcode. 

 

Where was the outcry then? 

 

9 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

? Not sure what you are getting at. You brought in a quote from a completely unrelated way to try and breach FaceID. 

 

This used brothers, which Apple already said could fool it!

 

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its evidence that FaceID can be fooled by your brother or sister. 

 

Last I checked Apple had a whole slide with the mirror universe Mr. Spock from Star Trek on it that they used to say this.......

 

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I am not admitting anything, I'm telling you what Apple said about their technology. 

 

Siblings and twins can fool it under the right circumstances. 

 

3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Looking at the numbers that they claim, combined with the inability of anyone to fool FaceID without a sibling, combined with the ease at which you can lift a fingerprint and fool TouchID......I can handedly say I would rather use FaceID. Especially because I don't have siblings. 

 

Just a hunch, but do you like Apple?  

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

if your response is a silicone finger mold, then that's just crazy stupid.

Being worried about your brother stealing your identity and stealing your phone is just as crazy. 

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2 minutes ago, RadiatingLight said:

I think it's just the fact that it's seen as a step backwards. I've never seen a video of two people being able to unlock an iPhone with touchID because they have the same fingerprint. so less secure, and less convenient. that's why people hate it.

Yeah could be that too.  Touch ID worked, it was fast and easy, no one wanted anything different, but now they've had this swapped out for them.  Is it better?  Well, that depends what aspects of each you value, since there are certainly differences.

[Red Hardware]

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its evidence that FaceID can be fooled by your brother or sister. 

 

Last I checked Apple had a whole slide with the mirror universe Mr. Spock from Star Trek that they used to say this.......

Look the problem is not your sibling 

The problem is an stranger who looks similar enough to be able to fool face id by wearing a glass and then using it to do payment or other stuff.

You can't deny that there are similar people out there .

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, done12many2 said:

Just a hunch, but do you like Apple?

I certainly like my ability to comment on the forum. 

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just a hunch, but do you like Apple?  

That is fucking savage and elegantly sophisticated at the same time. Twas a beautiful moment.

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Red Hardware said:

The problem is an stranger who looks similar enough to be able to fool face id by wearing a glass and then using it to do payment or other stuff.

When a case of that happens I'll consider that a valid concern.

 

2 minutes ago, Red Hardware said:

You can't deny that there are similar people out there

Yeah and the odds of meeting your doppelgänger are so slim there are myths that if you did you would die and or break the space time continuum if you did. 

[RadiatingLight]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Being worried about your brother stealing your identity and stealing your phone is just as crazy. 

Not even close.

I could absolutely see my brother grabbing my phone off the table, unlocking it while charging, etc. just to send a text to our parents saying "I'm gay" or rearranging all my icons, or something dumb along those lines.

However, I can't see him realistically making a mold of my finger, or creeping up on me while sleeping to unlock my phone.