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Is it possible to overclock a Max-Q GPU while on power?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Is it possible to overclock a Max-Q GPU while on power?

 

Looking at Dell 7577, it can definitely handle the added thermal requirements.

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Why not? New 10 series chips are all overclockable. However their maximum offset is limited further in the VBIOS than the desktop parts.


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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Why not? New 10 series chips are all overclockable. However their maximum offset is limited further in the VBIOS than the desktop parts.

Thanks for the response. Appreciate it.

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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Why not? New 10 series chips are all overclockable. However their maximum offset is limited further in the VBIOS than the desktop parts.

you're wrong.

 

2 hours ago, ecferatus said:

Is it possible to overclock a Max-Q GPU while on power?

 

No. Firstly because you can't even overlock normal laptop GPUs while on power. Firstly because laptops have maximum TDP levels while on battery so the performance is already throttled while on power. Secondly because there is no point. Even if you overclock, while on power the GPU and CPU will TDP throttle HEAVILY. 


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2 hours ago, Pendragon said:

you're wrong.

 

No. Firstly because you can't even overlock normal laptop GPUs while on power. Firstly because laptops have maximum TDP levels while on battery so the performance is already throttled while on power. Secondly because there is no point. Even if you overclock, while on power the GPU and CPU will TDP throttle HEAVILY. 

I did try overclocking the 940MX, but the core is limited to an offset of 75MHz only. The same goes for the laptop 1060, with offset limit of 300MHz.

 

Besides,

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Opinion-Nvidia-s-Max-Q-Maximum-efficiency-minimum-performance.232038.0.html

Quote: On the other hand, overclocking is enabled on the Max-Q models, and tests from at least one user prove there is some improved performance to be gained due to low voltages, but low power limits are still a problem, and it also breaks the “cool and quiet” benefits of the ASUS Zephyrus in particular.

 


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I'll suggest you to do a custom voltage to frequency graph via MSI Afterburner instead of normal overclocking. You'll get the same high frequency with a lower voltage (below 1V). Lower noise, better thermals and small gain in performance


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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I did try overclocking the 940MX, but the core is limited to an offset of 75MHz only. The same goes for the laptop 1060, with offset limit of 300MHz.

 

you mistake me, i just meant that OC has 0 use on battery.

 

also its also VERY specific to the laptop. Take the Aorus X5 MD. 1080 Max-Q with a 200w TDP. It's super power throttled that undervolting and ocing barely do anything.

 

It really depends laptop to laptop.

 

But while plugged in AND no TDP limitations AND good cooling, you can OC gpus just like regular gpus. 


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2 hours ago, Pendragon said:

you mistake me, i just meant that OC has 0 use on battery.

 

also its also VERY specific to the laptop. Take the Aorus X5 MD. 1080 Max-Q with a 200w TDP. It's super power throttled that undervolting and ocing barely do anything.

 

It really depends laptop to laptop.

 

But while plugged in AND no TDP limitations AND good cooling, you can OC gpus just like regular gpus. 

OP set the scenario in which the laptop is plugged into the power source in the first place. Mind telling me what's wrong with my first reply?

 

Also 1080 Max Q doesnt have TDP of 200W. It's more like 100-120W. I mean, what's the point of Max Q if the TDP is even higher than that of the desktop 1080 at 180W?


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Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

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SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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47 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

OP set the scenario in which the laptop is plugged into the power source in the first place. Mind telling me what's wrong with my first reply?

 

 

OH RIP ME. i misunderstood that. thought on power ment like on battery.

 

47 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Also 1080 Max Q doesnt have TDP of 200W. It's more like 100-120W. I mean, what's the point of Max Q if the TDP is even higher than that of the desktop 1080 at 180W?

the 200w tdp is for the WHOLE system. I pull more than 230w on a 1070 laptop. 


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I overclocked the $H1T out my Alienware's 1060, but unlike most laptop dGPUs, it stays fairly cool at around 63C.  I mean, the chassis can handle a 1080 Max-Q for Gods sake.


 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 12/18/2017 at 5:50 PM, Spoonablehippo said:

Bumping this thread! Just ordered the Dell 7577 and I also want to know if I can OC the 1060 Max-Q?

I have this laptop as well. Used throttle to down clock the 7700HQ down to -.135mV. Then making throttlestop run at startup. It is much more reliable than Intel extreme tuning utility. Also quieted the random fan spin ups for the most part. I do want to overclock the 1060 max-q though. I know the defeats the purpose in some respects, but the laptop is a nice fit for me and this would just be a nice change. So I can play games just a bit better when its not being used for work. There is plenty of cooling headroom albeit at a large noise cost. Haven't checked the power headroom though.

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Undervolt -100mV the CPU, apply liquid metal to the gpu and cpu, OC the GPU with MSI Afterburner. Look for tutorials. You will obtain at least -20C degree and very likely som nice performance boost too.

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I've got myself a Dell 7577 on topped spec (7700HQ, 16GB RAM, 256SSD+1TB HDD, GTX 1060 MaxQ)
What I can tell you is, I already undervolt my 7700HQ by -150mV this way my i7 wont even get to 70C on full 100% load (stable no BSOD, i'm not sure but in -160mV it's stable too but I was too afraid to keep it in that voltage since I always read that 7700HQ max undervolt is like -150mV only. -170mV will BSOD on idle, lol).

Then I overclock my GTX 1060 MaxQ +200Mhz on Core Clock and +350Mhz on Memory Clock, which should translate to original laptop version of GTX 1060 or even more idk.

Core Clock is ranging from 1400 to 1800 Mhz while playing Final Fantasy XV in Steam. All of those while the temp is not even touching 70C here (I live in a tropical equator area). The fan not even on full load. I'm really happy with this Dell 7577, it really exceeding my expectation.

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