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i7 7800X vs i7 8700K - X299 vs Z370

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4x4gb = 16gb or 2x8 =16gb which is better

depends on whether you want to be able to eventually get 64gb or 32gb, if you get 4x4 it'll be  faster but if you get 8x2 it will have way higher upgradeability

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FLUFF MK2 has a bit worse FETs than MK1 they have the same, sorry. I need to check the MSI on hardwareluxx, a moment please :)

Update: I checked OCN and almost got a heart attack. The cheap X299s from MSI use the Niko fets as on AM4, so the inefficient and overheating garbage. Absolutely inappropriate for HEDT.

So, i'd recommend Strix X299-E, X299 Deluxe or X299 FLUFF MK2/MK1

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18 minutes ago, dave_k said:

FLUFF MK2 has a bit worse FETs than MK1 they have the same, sorry. I need to check the MSI on hardwareluxx, a moment please :)

Update: I checked OCN and almost got a heart attack. The cheap X299s from MSI use the Niko fets as on AM4, so the inefficient and overheating garbage. Absolutely inappropriate for HEDT.

So, i'd recommend Strix X299-E, X299 Deluxe or X299 FLUFF MK2/MK1

so this one ?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pGQRsY/asus-tuf-x299-mark-2-atx-lga2066-motherboard-tuf-x299-mark-2 

or 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072ZTTWFJ/?tag=pcpapi-20

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5 minutes ago, dave_k said:

By no means Taichi

why ?

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1 minute ago, fareszr said:

why ?

Better VRM, more phases, really good parts

 

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2 hours ago, fareszr said:

so I'm looking for an upgrade from my current i5 6600 h170 ?mostly for premiere pro..    which is better i7 7800x vs i7 8700k I know i7 8700k outperform the i7 7800x but remember this is x299 longer support and I can get it right now I need to wait at least a month to get coffee lake   so what you think which is better and why   

my budget is 800$

whoa the 8700k beat the 7800x by a good margin in premiere pro and the overclocking isn't that much I'm getting confused ?https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/ 

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40 minutes ago, fareszr said:

whoa the 8700k beat the 7800x by a good margin in premiere pro and the overclocking isn't that much I'm getting confused ?https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/ 

What to do ? get an i7 7800x now or wait to coffe lake 

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1 hour ago, fareszr said:

What to do ? get an i7 7800x now or wait to coffe lake 

Get Coffeelake or Ryzen 7 / Ryzen Threadripper.

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On 10/22/2017 at 9:05 PM, Damascus said:

depends on whether you want to be able to eventually get 64gb or 32gb, if you get 4x4 it'll be  faster but if you get 8x2 it will have way higher upgradeability

What is the highset overclcok you can get with your 7800x ?

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5 minutes ago, fareszr said:

What is the highset overclcok you can get with your 7800x ?

Don't have it yet (waiting for black Friday) but 5+ghz is common, if you can cool it you might be able to squeeze 5.3 or so out of it

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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎22 at 12:16 PM, fareszr said:

whoa the 8700k beat the 7800x by a good margin in premiere pro and the overclocking isn't that much I'm getting confused ?https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/ 

That Puget article is boost clock only, I imagine a 4.7ghz 7800x will outperform a 4.7ghz 8700k handily (despetie being .7ghz slower in the test the 7800x still comes really close)

 

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13 minutes ago, Damascus said:

That Puget article is boost clock only, I imagine a 4.7ghz 7800x will outperform a 4.7ghz 8700k handily (despetie being .7ghz slower in the test the 7800x still comes really close)

 

Ok what do you thing about this gigabyte motherboard 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wqtWGX/gigabyte-x299-aorus-gaming-3-atx-lga2066-motherboard-x299-aorus-gaming-3

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2 minutes ago, fareszr said:

Ok what do you thing about this gigabyte motherboard 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wqtWGX/gigabyte-x299-aorus-gaming-3-atx-lga2066-motherboard-x299-aorus-gaming-3

Don't know if I would

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8317/gigabyte-x299-aorus-gaming-3-motherboard-review/index10.html

 

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24 minutes ago, fareszr said:

Is this cooler can handle oc Up to 5.0 ghz or higher ? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jpdqqs/raijintek-cpu-cooler-0r100011

Probably, you may need a delid though

 

https://overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/raijintek_ereboss_black_review/6

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7 minutes ago, fareszr said:

What about the bequite dark rock 2 ?

Not really, I don't think it could do it

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6 hours ago, fareszr said:

This one should do it https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C7mLrH/be-quiet-cpu-cooler-bk013

None of the mid tier air coolers from bequiet, noctua etc. are enough to cool a 7800X at 5ghz.  You need performance on par with a 240/280mm aio - or a crazy beefy air cooler.  Both towers you linked are good (BTW. the first one is actually better) but not enough for 5ghz without a delid and high temps.

 

This is the best value aio btw, it's quite capable and relatively cheap

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-240-Performance/dp/B013WAY9UQ/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1508955683&sr=8-6&keywords=arctic%2Bfreezer&th=1

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OK, two builds for you.

 

Z370

  1. Will easily hit 5ghz on that aio without a delid
  2. great value mobo
  3. You actually get better RAM
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWJ9VY
 
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($389.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Liquid Freezer 240 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($82.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($171.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $809.36
 
X299
  1. Should be capable of a hot 5ghz without a delid, though I seriously recommend one (always use a delid tool)
  2. Very solid mobo
  3. Really good cooler for the price
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2jx7h
 
CPU: Intel - Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($359.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($77.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X299 Gaming K6 ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  ($243.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY - Anarchy 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $821.84

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13 minutes ago, Damascus said:

OK, two builds for you.

 

Z370

  1. Will easily hit 5ghz on that aio without a delid
  2. great value mobo
  3. You actually get better RAM
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWJ9VY
 
CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  ($389.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC - Liquid Freezer 240 74.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($82.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($171.39 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $809.36
 
X299
  1. Should be capable of a hot 5ghz without a delid, though I seriously recommend one (always use a delid tool)
  2. Very solid mobo
  3. Really good cooler for the price
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T2jx7h
 
CPU: Intel - Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor  ($359.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  ($77.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X299 Gaming K6 ATX LGA2066 Motherboard  ($243.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: PNY - Anarchy 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $821.84

the problem is no know when i7 8700 will be  stock 

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the problem is no know when i7 8700 will be  stock 

They've been in stock, people just snatch them up really quickly.  Go with either one, just make sure you don't get a bad X299 mobo

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12 minutes ago, Damascus said:

They've been in stock, people just snatch them up really quickly.  Go with either one, just make sure you don't get a bad X299 mobo

the aourus is bad?

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17 minutes ago, fareszr said:

the aourus is bad?

Depends on the board, there are like 6 of them

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