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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hi, I have an extreme noob question.  And, I have a feeling the answer is obvious, but I have no idea how to figure it out short of asking you fine folks. 

 

I'm still using my first build, which contains the following relevant parts:

  • GPU: SAPPHIRE 100374OCL Radeon R9 285 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5
  • CPU: Intel i7-4790k
  • Motherboard:  ASRock ATX FATAL1TY Z97 KILLER

I recently decided to cut the cable-tv cord and try using various streaming services, including Youtube TV.  When watching Youtube TV on my computer, it couldn't get HD to play and, after researching it, I learned it's because my GPU doesn't have HDCP support.  So, I plugged my monitor (via HDMI cable) into the onboard HDMI port on the motherboard, and everything has been dandy.

 

My question:  If the most graphics intensive things I will be doing on my computer is basic video editing (Adobe Premier Elements 15) and watching/streaming 4K video, is there any reason I need to even utilize my GPU?  In other words, if I'm not gaming or streaming myself, is there a use case for me for the GPU? 

 

Follow-up question: Can I plug my monitor into both the onboard graphics (via HDMI) and into the GPU (via displayport) and then switch on the fly based on my needs?

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If you're not playing games the graphics card is superfluous, but you should be able to play youtube just fine with it nonetheless - just disable hardware acceleration in the browser, the cpu can handle it.


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errr...  well yes and no, graphics switching i dont think works on desktop...   but for video editing you definitely want a dedicated GPU ..both AMD and NV are fairly identical in this category at how fast they handle the rendering process..  but onboard iGPu will be miles behind a dedicated card.

 

can you plug into both?  yes, but you need to enable it on your specific motherboard.. each board has its own name for it and method.  

 

is it more efficient? nah, but  you be more happier with like an RX 560 or GTX 1050Ti (if you can find them for under $100) since those can both sip power and boost hard in gaming and work loads.. im not sure how a 1050Ti or a RX 560 compares to a R9-285, but going out on a limb here and going to say equal or better in gaming..

 

EDIT: misunderstood the question..sorry!

 

for simple cable cutting stuff, the iGPU on the i7-4790K is totally fine for 1080 content, higher may want to consider better graphics...  however multiple streams or maybe do some background encoding type stuff, may want to consider a dedicated GPU that's modern and low power like GTX 1050/RX560. i dont know the software you got and what all it doesn how it does it.. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
10 minutes ago, toastybread said:

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This is really helpful.  Thank you.  I may just get an equivalent GPU that has HDCP support to avoid the headache.  I'll take a look at the GTX 1050Ti and see if I can snag one for a reasonable price.

 

By the way, how does one even begin to compare GPUs?  Like, how do I compare my R9 285 against the GTX 1050Ti?

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2 minutes ago, armaneo said:

This is really helpful.  Thank you.  I may just get an equivalent GPU that has HDCP support to avoid the headache.  I'll take a look at the GTX 1050Ti and see if I can snag one for a reasonable price.

absolutely and no problem. best of luck to you.

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What you mean can't play HD and no HDCP support? I think even my old HD7950 is HDCP ready.


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38 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

What you mean can't play HD and no HDCP support? I think even my old HD7950 is HDCP ready.

Yeah hdcp isn't new.

 

As long as he is connecting to the tv via HDMI it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Hdcp is literally a decade old, so I am confused by this, especially since Radeons have had hdcp support since the HD 3000 days (Blurays require hdcp compliant hardware on PC...why you can't really play a Blu-ray without an HDMI or display port connection).

 

From some googling, that card does support hdcp.

 

It may be something in your drivers.

 

With that said, if you are just using it for htpc tasks, I wouldn't have a dedicated gpu. If you are running Plex, there is no point either, as the experimental gpgpu processing they are doing right now to support multiple streams only supports Intel quicksync, so you are actually better off just leveraging the igpu in that scenario anyway.

 

Let us know how you make out, but I am thinking you should install the latest Radeon drivers.

 

When I am home, I will do some research myself to see if it's possible to accidentally disable hdcp, which is what I am thinking happened here.


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On 10/22/2017 at 8:41 AM, Jon Jon said:

Yeah hdcp isn't new.

 

As long as he is connecting to the tv via HDMI it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Hdcp is literally a decade old, so I am confused by this, especially since Radeons have had hdcp support since the HD 3000 days (Blurays require hdcp compliant hardware on PC...why you can't really play a Blu-ray without an HDMI or display port connection).

 

From some googling, that card does support hdcp.

 

It may be something in your drivers.

 

With that said, if you are just using it for htpc tasks, I wouldn't have a dedicated gpu. If you are running Plex, there is no point either, as the experimental gpgpu processing they are doing right now to support multiple streams only supports Intel quicksync, so you are actually better off just leveraging the igpu in that scenario anyway.

 

Let us know how you make out, but I am thinking you should install the latest Radeon drivers.

 

When I am home, I will do some research myself to see if it's possible to accidentally disable hdcp, which is what I am thinking happened here.

Yea, I must be wrong on the HDCP support thing.  I just couldn't find anything on the web that affirmatively stated it my card had HDCP support, so I assumed that was the issue (since people were saying that Youtube TV cannot stream in HD without it).  

 

So, I updated the driver to the latest "non-WQHL" beta driver, and low and behold, HD content on Youtube TV works!  But, there's a side-effect.  Whenever I'm streaming something on Youtube TV, my computer screen blinks every 30 seconds or so.  Really frustrating.  Also, on this beta driver, when I stream on Xfinitiy Live TV, it also blinks every 30 seconds (oddly, HD content always worked on Xfinity Live TV, even on the prior driver that I was on).

 

So, I reverted back to the latest non-beta driver (a "WQUL driver," whatever that means) and, as expected, Youtube TV cannot output in HD.  The blinking, however, stops, even when I'm streaming through Xfinity Live TV.  No idea why this is happening.  It's really frustrating.  

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On 10/23/2017 at 4:56 PM, armaneo said:

Yea, I must be wrong on the HDCP support thing.  I just couldn't find anything on the web that affirmatively stated it my card had HDCP support, so I assumed that was the issue (since people were saying that Youtube TV cannot stream in HD without it).  

 

So, I updated the driver to the latest "non-WQHL" beta driver, and low and behold, HD content on Youtube TV works!  But, there's a side-effect.  Whenever I'm streaming something on Youtube TV, my computer screen blinks every 30 seconds or so.  Really frustrating.  Also, on this beta driver, when I stream on Xfinitiy Live TV, it also blinks every 30 seconds (oddly, HD content always worked on Xfinity Live TV, even on the prior driver that I was on).

 

So, I reverted back to the latest non-beta driver (a "WQUL driver," whatever that means) and, as expected, Youtube TV cannot output in HD.  The blinking, however, stops, even when I'm streaming through Xfinity Live TV.  No idea why this is happening.  It's really frustrating.  

I would attempt to just completely uninstall the driver's via guru3d's app and install with the latest fresh.

 

There's no reason for that card to not handle that content properly, and using a newer driver with weirder issues seems to affirm that.


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14 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

I would attempt to just completely uninstall the driver's via guru3d's app and install with the latest fresh.

 

There's no reason for that card to not handle that content properly, and using a newer driver with weirder issues seems to affirm that.

The Radeon software has an option to perform a "clean install," which purports to completely uninstall all prior drivers.  But, I'll try the gugu3d thing and see if that works.  

 

FYI, someone else told me the real issue is that it has HDMI 1.3, which has poor support for this kind of thing.  But the same issues persist even when I use displayport.

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8 hours ago, armaneo said:

The Radeon software has an option to perform a "clean install," which purports to completely uninstall all prior drivers.  But, I'll try the gugu3d thing and see if that works.  

 

FYI, someone else told me the real issue is that it has HDMI 1.3, which has poor support for this kind of thing.  But the same issues persist even when I use displayport.

HDMI 1.3 opens the door a little bit to the problem.

 

However, HDMI 1.3 does support hdcp for 1080p content and below. True 4K DRM support requires HDMI 2.0.

 

Also remember that the HDMI certification of the cable can play a role as well.

 

For perspective, the original PS3 had an HDMI 1.3c port, which had full support for hdcp 1080p for Blurays and eventually streaming.

 

However, I mean, my Radeon HD 5670 has no issues with YouTube and what not, and that is a mid range card that's a few generations older.

 

My Radeon R9 380, which is just a rebadged 280, has none of these issues either. However, I do know I will and cannot playback 4k content with it.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 hours ago, Jon Jon said:

HDMI 1.3 opens the door a little bit to the problem.

 

However, HDMI 1.3 does support hdcp for 1080p content and below. True 4K DRM support requires HDMI 2.0.

 

Also remember that the HDMI certification of the cable can play a role as well.

 

For perspective, the original PS3 had an HDMI 1.3c port, which had full support for hdcp 1080p for Blurays and eventually streaming.

 

However, I mean, my Radeon HD 5670 has no issues with YouTube and what not, and that is a mid range card that's a few generations older.

 

My Radeon R9 380, which is just a rebadged 280, has none of these issues either. However, I do know I will and cannot playback 4k content with it.

I see.  Strangely, I'm not trying to play any 4K content, so the HDMI 1.3 thing shouldn't be an issue.  Plus, I'm using a Displayport cable now, which, in my uninformed view should avoid the HDMI 1.3 problems, right? 

 

In any event, I tried the gugu3d thing and wiped all drivers in safe mode, then installed the latest R9 200 series driver, but it still didn't work.  Then I ran gugu3d again and installed the latest beta drivers.  Just like before, it works, but the computer blinks/flashes every 15-30 seconds.  

 

Very frustrating.  Do you know of a newer card I could purchase that could handle basic streaming, but also video editing and moderate gaming?  I just have no concept of how to compare and contrast graphics cards and this card was recommended to me when I built my PC like 3 years ago.

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On 10/26/2017 at 10:54 AM, armaneo said:

I see.  Strangely, I'm not trying to play any 4K content, so the HDMI 1.3 thing shouldn't be an issue.  Plus, I'm using a Displayport cable now, which, in my uninformed view should avoid the HDMI 1.3 problems, right? 

 

In any event, I tried the gugu3d thing and wiped all drivers in safe mode, then installed the latest R9 200 series driver, but it still didn't work.  Then I ran gugu3d again and installed the latest beta drivers.  Just like before, it works, but the computer blinks/flashes every 15-30 seconds.  

 

Very frustrating.  Do you know of a newer card I could purchase that could handle basic streaming, but also video editing and moderate gaming?  I just have no concept of how to compare and contrast graphics cards and this card was recommended to me when I built my PC like 3 years ago.

Were you able to come up with a solution?

 

I am still scratching my head pretty hard on this, if someone else has any ideas feel free to chime in!


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