Why doesn't a GTX 1070 TI exist

[Guest]

I wanna now why a GTX 1070 ti doesnt exist

[Drak3]

It will soon, but x70 cards have been too close to x80 cards in performance for an x70Ti to be reasonable.

[TheRandomness]

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[Coaxialgamer]

Segmentation . In nvidia's eyes , why release a product that could potentially undercut the 1080 for less , when you could sell more 500$ 1080's? 

It's worth noting a 1070ti will come out soon ( probably , idk if it's officially confirmed atm) , but that's only to combat vega.

[toastybread]

the 1070 Ti does need to exist.  only reason it would exist is 2 fold.. one because AMD managed to get Vega 56 between 1070 and the 1080.. and nvidia being nvidia looks at that as a new gap to fill..  2nd reason is Nvidia being a company needs to maximize profit margins, and as it stands right now, im not sure even Nvidia think 1070 Ti has a legit market in the mainstream..  

 

what bothering me is NV using Ti branding all wrong.. Ti was supposed to mean like..Titanium, the next best thing.. nowadays Ti just = gap fill    imagine if AMD came out with noticable faster RX580 after the 480..  much closer to a GTX 1070... we would have had a GTX 1050 Ti, a GTX 1060 Ti, then with Vega 56 a 1070 Ti, and a 1080 Ti.  im not sure we are far off from nvidia going the route of making a Titan X Ti if they can get away with it..

[dalekphalm]

2 hours ago, Pony Slaystation said:

I wanna now why a GTX 1070 ti doesnt exist

Why would it? To be honest, even if they did come out with a 1070 Ti (which is rumoured), it would make no goddamn sense at all. 

 

The 1070 is already nearly identical to th 1080 in performance, with a pretty minimal difference. Add in generally very easy OC’s that reach and pass 1080 levels. 

 

If they added a 1070 Ti, it would either be the smallest upgrade from the 1070 (making it near useless) or it would be similar to a stock 1080 (also making it near useless). 

[Princess Luna]

14 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

it would make no goddamn sense at all. 

Of course it does, it is a mining card made to steal the RX580's mining crown.

[toastybread]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Of course it does, it is a mining card made to steal the RX580's mining crown.

but the RX580  has a hash rate of 25-30MH/Sec which is still a bit more then a GTX 1080 does already(about 20Mh/Sec).  vega 56 does 40-45MH/Sec.

 

AMD cards have better compute performance that can be used for mining.  so a 1070Ti  would be far from a cryptominer card or a compute card.  

 

[faziten]

The  TI versions are there to fill gaps. Usually price gap that let competition bite the market share. Vega 56 is not even making a dent in Nvidia 1070/1080 users. While it remains this way no 1070Ti will be seen, plus it's probably too late unless they use the 1070Ti to introduce a  new alfa/beta technology like 16K video encoder or some crap like that. 

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, toastybread said:

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The 1070 Ti will be a 1080 with the right memory DDR5 that doesn't hurt mining performance, with every bit of driver and software wise enhanced for mining, it is not here to compete with the V56 the common 1070 already does that enough, it is here to compete with the RX580 in the mining market, which is so far been selling cards to AMD like crazy.

[toastybread]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

The 1070 Ti will be a 1080 with the right memory DDR5 that doesn't hurt mining performance, with every bit of driver and software wise enhanced for mining, it is not here to compete with the V56 the common 1070 already does that enough, it is here to compete with the RX580 in the mining market, which is so far been selling cards to AMD like crazy.

 

to be honest, that just makes no sense, not for this segment of the market.   sure i can agree NV wants the miner market to snatch up as much as they can, because it is money.  but for them to be able to convert a 1070 into something that is actually going to compete with a RX580 on mining level would require NV to reengineer the core design from the ground up ... the hardware is the limitation not software or firmware.... 

 

look at the 1080 vs 580 in ethereum mining...  580 smashes even the 1080.. and yes the 1080 Ti claws it back, but barely.  V56 which destroys completely, the 1080 Ti in mining..and V56 can crush 1080 Ti in mining using only 150 watts with some tweaks.....

 

so i'm struggling to know where a 1070Ti would come in for mining?  even if it was a 1080 and tweaked and tuned for it, it will still be behind by 5-10 Mh/sec

[Princess Luna]

Just now, toastybread said:

so i'm struggling to know where a 1070Ti would come in for mining?  even if it was a 1080 and tweaked and tuned for it, it will still be behind by 5-10 Mh/sec

This and any thing else said would be just speculation, better just wait and see what results of the so called release.

[toastybread]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

This and any thing else said would be just speculation, better just wait and see what results of the so called release.

of course is speculation and educated guessing until then.   i think main reason Nvidia would launch a 1070Ti is the V56 market.. and right now, doesn't even exist really.   if V56 took off, and was available openly and affordable enough i dont even think would be much time for rumors to have been stirred up, it would be out already.  

 

then have other side of speculation... sometimes when NV cuts down something from higher end product, they accidentally make it faster than product its cut from in gaming... not sure how it happens exactly i assume just less overhead and leakage and etc.. so it maybe possible a 1070 Ti being cut down from a 1080 could accidentally ended up faster in gaming than the 1080. if that's the case NV maybe delaying it and working out some way to limit it from making the 1080 pointless..