Asus believes Coffee Lake should work on Z270

[cj09beira]

5 hours ago, Ezilkannan said:

True that, but I doubt Zen refresh / Zen 2 would give any drastic performance gains against Zen. We may get to see some IPC improvement, but I'm very skeptical. I doubt AMD will catch up to Intel in IPC or clock speed event at Zen 3

There is lots of simple to do things that that would rapidly improve ryzens ipc, one in faster IF which would be as simple as set it to the effective memory clock instead of the actual memory clock (2 times increase in frequency) that alone would help alot in latency bound cenarios like gaming, 

Frequency i don't dought that they can improve it a lot as they were the first to 5ghz on x86, and i don't even think they need to try hard as right now they are at 4ghz max 12nm is supposed to be 10% faster so around 4.4, and 7nm is made for 5ghz and in general is a higher performance focused node which again will help

2 hours ago, Ezilkannan said:

I am very skeptical with respect to IPC and single thread performance gains. Ryzen is behind/at Haswell right now. I wouldn't be surprised if Zen 2 is still behind Skylake.

that is what 10%-15% behind the latest intel in ipc (not counting games) and considering ryzen is on its first gen it wont be hard for amd to catch up

[TidaLWaveZ]

Just now, Trixanity said:

Probably more like they could make it work but Intel won't allow it and they need Intel to provide some prerequisite software updates (BIOS and Management Engine updates). What they're saying is that there is technically no reason for it to not work other than it needing a software update. The hardware is fine.

That's my understanding but I wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

 

There is absolutely no confirmation that it works, even though we can reasonably assume that it theoretically should.

[TVwazhere]

7 hours ago, dragoon20005 said:

thanks Intel

This is going to be the next "Thanks Obama" whenever something goes wrong.

[Trixanity]

19 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

That's my understanding but I wanted to make sure I wasn't mistaken.

 

There is absolutely no confirmation that it works, even though we can reasonably assume that it theoretically should.

I'll go out on a limb here and say they've might have tested and made it work in the lab but that the testing and validation required is too costly to bring to market especially with opposition from Intel. They probably also want to be on good terms with Intel.

[dragoon20005]

It similar with the situation with the H81 and B85 were able to OC CPUs like the Pentium G3258

 

but Intel wasnt happy with AIB giving this feature

 

and Intel then release a microcode patch via WIndows Update to c*ck block OC on the H81 and B85 boards

[DocSwag]

7 hours ago, huilun02 said:

And yet existing AM4 will get Zen refresh and Zen 2. I'll take sense and whatever lapse that may or may not occur, over another company bent on squeezing my wallet dry. 

One thing, amd has only said AM4 will be supported. They never said b350 or whatever would be.

 

It's totally possible mobo manufacturers could pull a dick move and make if so that b350 or a320 chipset based mobos won't end up getting zen2 bioses or whatnot while x370 will.

[NumLock21]

51 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

Did I miss something?

 

Wouldn't that mean that they literally have Coffee lake running on Z270?

They mean it should work. Not that it actually works. 

[TidaLWaveZ]

21 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

I'll go out on a limb here and say they've might have tested and made it work in the lab but that the testing and validation required is too costly to bring to market especially with opposition from Intel. They probably also want to be on good terms with Intel.

Definitely a possibility, but then again there could always be something that the guys at Asus don't know.

 

Maybe they'll do a joint confirmation of this and Half Life 3 in the near future.

[Trixanity]

17 minutes ago, ONOTech said:

May I see the source por favor? Gracias.

 

And averages are a better way to do it like you said. I was basing my argument from PCPer's Cinebench 11.5 test run.

 

 

I skimmed through the rest of the article, but it looks like they only had 8 GB of DDR3 memory for some of the test benches and 16 GB of DDR4 clocked at 2133 for the others. In that case, it's not a very scientific comparison.

There you go

[pas008]

who cares plain and simple, this is asus they have been going downhill on quality anyways

 

whiners complain about anything now days

 

you can afford a new cpu but cant afford new motherboard?, besides the fact you just have 1-2yr old cpu anyways and you need to upgrade, sounds like spoiled whiners too me

 

wonder how many of these whiners actually get new phone every yr or new gpu every yr

[mynameisjuan]

13 minutes ago, pas008 said:

you can afford a new cpu but cant afford new motherboard?, besides the fact you just have 1-2yr old cpu anyways and you need to upgrade, sounds like spoiled whiners too me

 

wonder how many of these whiners actually get new phone every yr or new gpu every yr

Thats the savageness I like. This literally only affects people with tons of money that upgrade at every new release.

[PlayStation 2]

And y'all are still gonna buy it.

Doesn't fucking matter, you guys don't care about Ryzen despite the fact y'all like to circlejerk around it. Not defending anyone but this won't affect Intel's sales.

[Eduard the weeb]

this is kinda a cash grab from intel which sucks

[Eduard the weeb]

2 hours ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

Did I miss something?

 

Wouldn't that mean that they literally have Coffee lake running on Z270?

it requires a bios update and a engine rework

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, Eduard the weeb said:

this is kinda a cash grab from intel which sucks

lol so they are suppose to be oprah and just give away everything

 

or are they a business with stockholders?

[ravenshrike]

13 minutes ago, pas008 said:

lol so they are suppose to be oprah and just give away everything

 

or are they a business with stockholders?

 

They are a business with stockholders. Stockholders are concerned with customer retention. The more dick moves that Intel makes, the more likely customers in the consumer space move to AMD. Intel's stockholders do NOT want the common layman thinking that Intel is full of assholes and that AMD puts out a cheaper product that is more than good enough for what they need.

[Prox1ma]

54 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

And y'all are still gonna buy it.

Doesn't fucking matter, you guys don't care about Ryzen despite the fact y'all like to circlejerk around it. Not defending anyone but this won't affect Intel's sales.

Because there are some who will always want the best and Ryzen is not the best for gaming. It never will be for quite some time

[pas008]

28 minutes ago, ravenshrike said:

 

They are a business with stockholders. Stockholders are concerned with customer retention. The more dick moves that Intel makes, the more likely customers in the consumer space move to AMD. Intel's stockholders do NOT want the common layman thinking that Intel is full of assholes and that AMD puts out a cheaper product that is more than good enough for what they need.

lol for the small percent of people that want compatibility lol

or the large percent that build and use for few yrs

 

if you are buying a motherboard for future upgrades you are doing it wrong anyways you buy for what you need now

everytime I buy cpu i buy mobo and many I know because of what they and I want now never for future compatibility

and for the record intels past mainstream platforms only guaranteed 2 gens and the last gen of cpus like ivy, dc (could argue broadwell but that was exception considering many didnt even buy with availablity) and kaby all had eol on chipsets

 

and how many versions of x99 are there that require newer mb for the newer cpus?

 

[Eduard the weeb]

30 minutes ago, pas008 said:

lol so they are suppose to be oprah and just give away everything

 

or are they a business with stockholders?

no but they shouldn't lie to me about Z270 not working just so I buy a Z370 board so that extra money goes into pocket books. That is lying to your core audience and team blue fanboys how have already bought everything needed for a new coffee lake build maybe a hole new pc when they could have saved a few hundred dollars and maybe even gotten a better cpu or other component. 

[pas008]

1 minute ago, Eduard the weeb said:

no but they shouldn't lie to me about Z270 not working just so I buy a Z370 board so that extra money goes into pocket books. That is lying to your core audience and team blue fanboys how have already bought everything needed for a new coffee lake build maybe a hole new pc when they could have saved a few hundred dollars and maybe even gotten a better cpu or other component. 

the extra pins already proved to be there

and this is coming from asus that cant even get their motherboards correctly working right in first place

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, Eduard the weeb said:

no but they shouldn't lie to me about Z270 not working just so I buy a Z370 board so that extra money goes into pocket books. That is lying to your core audience and team blue fanboys how have already bought everything needed for a new coffee lake build maybe a hole new pc when they could have saved a few hundred dollars and maybe even gotten a better cpu or other component. 

Extra pins are for power, they are not lying. Just because Asus says, "yeah they could probably get it to work" is not equivalent to "yeah it will work 100%". 

[TidaLWaveZ]

6 minutes ago, pas008 said:

the extra pins already proved to be there

and this is coming from asus that cant even get their motherboards correctly working right in first place

Asus also advertised that their X99 Deluxe boards overclocked much better because they had extra pins in the socket which wasn't the case. 

[TidaLWaveZ]

4 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Extra pins are for power, they are not lying. Just because Asus says, "yeah they could probably get it to work" is not equivalent to "yeah it will work 100%". 

That's my whole beef with the thread title, it's all hypothetical, nothing has been confirmed.

[Dylanc1500]

10 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Extra pins are for power, they are not lying. Just because Asus says, "yeah they could probably get it to work" is not equivalent to "yeah it will work 100%". 

They also haven't stated how well it worked and whether it met to the standards that Intel has set. I can shove a 14-71 blower on a stock SBC doesn't mean it will run well and without issues.

[Misanthrope]

See right about now it would be useful to Asus to enable Z370 backwards compatibility: People know that they'll upgrade to Coffee Lake but can't actually buy the chips today, but they can buy the boards so why not upgrade the platform first using your 6700/7700k and drop in the coffee lake chip early 2018?

 

Because intel done fucked up.