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AMD Vega GPU for iMac Pro is faster then the Titan XP?

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Hands on testing performed by a PC enthusiast site shows Vega 64 GPUs like those found in a build-to-order configuration of forthcoming iMac Pro beat the Nvidia Titan Xp card in actual workflows similar to those expected to be handled by the pro-level Mac — and the Vega 56 should also slightly edge the Nvidia card.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/06/27/actual-testing-on-amd-vega-gpu-destined-for-imac-pro-shows-significant-speed-gains-over-nvidia-titan-xp

 

So will the iMac Pro be the next gaming machine?

...for more than $5000?

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Testing performed by PC World used identical Windows 10 Pro PCs, both with identical CPUs, 32GB of DDR4 RAM and Dell's 8K display and a 1080p display. One PC included the newly released Radeon Vega Frontier edition PCI-E card and the other sported the GeForce Titan Xp card released in April.

The workflow generated was a "simulated workflow in a design firm" according to the testers. Evaluation showed the Vega card outperform the Titan Xp by 50 percent in SolidWorks, and 28 percent in competing 3D rendering package Catia.

In Maxon's Cinebench OpenGL benchmark, the test showed the Vega Frontier edition beating out the Titan Xp by 14 percent.

Testing wasn't limited to OpenGL workflows alone. Given that augmented reality and virtual reality developers have used the Unreal Engine for visualizations, the 8K display was swapped out for a pair of 3440x1440 panels, with testing performed on the lower resolution displays.

PC World claimed to not be able to tell the difference between the Titan Xp and the Radeon Vega Frontier PCI-E card in Direct X gaming and similar applications.

Further testing outside of AMD's labs performed by the testers showed essentially the same results, if not a bit higher.

The tests aren't of entirely similar cards. The Radeon Vega Frontier is optimized for commercial workflows, and the Titan Xp is a consumer-level card. However, the pricing is the same at $1,200.
 

Relevancy to the iMac Pro?



The test is actually very similar to the workflows that Apple would like to see its users focus on. Apple's software is tailored for Metal, and as such, OpenGL.

The iMac Pro won't have a PCI-E card slot. But, the Vega Frontier PCI-E card has identical hardware to the Vega Pro 64 chipset, but if the speeds are the same between the iMac and the lower priced air-cooled $1,200 PCI-E card isn't known.

The Vega Pro 56, in the "default" $4,999 iMac Pro configuration is roughly 75 percent of everything in the Pro 64 — about the same level as how the Nvidia Titan Xp performed.

For Mac users relying on Photoshop, there will be notable gains —as evidenced by the speed boost in the Titan Xp over the Nvidia 1080ti — they just won't be as pronounced as the gains from the AMD offering for Final Cut users.

 

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What do you expect. Apple optimizes their programs for their hardware choices. I wish other companies would do this more

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Vega 64 in the iMac Pro beating the Titan Xp in Cinebench? That's actually misleading since its a CPU dependant benchmark and its uite easy to skew the results either way when it comes to graphics cards.

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Hehe. Apple is finally noticing the PC gaming community and want to bring some of that love to Mac, it seems. They've also added native UE4 and Unity support, and are big on developing VR apps. I think they're realizing the pro community doesn't just do video editing and Photoshop.

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1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Hehe. Apple is finally noticing the PC gaming community and want to bring some of that love to Mac, it seems. They've also added native UE4 and Unity support, and are big on developing VR apps. I think they're realizing the pro community doesn't just do video editing and Photoshop.

Yeah I think they want to push to game devs too. As metal got a big bump with improvements

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2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Vega 64 in the iMac Pro beating the Titan Xp in Cinebench? That's actually misleading since its a CPU dependant benchmark and its uite easy to skew the results either way when it comes to graphics cards.

Doesnt it have a openGL mode?

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Hehe. Apple is finally noticing the PC gaming community and want to bring some of that love to Mac, it seems. They've also added native UE4 and Unity support, and are big on developing VR apps. I think they're realizing the pro community doesn't just do video editing and Photoshop.

I think that they've realised that entertainment doesn't mean video+photo editing.

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Just now, Dabombinable said:

I think that they've realised that entertainment doesn't mean video+photo editing.

Yep. But usually when Apple implements something, they may not be the first but they do a good job. Seems to be the same for game developing on Mac now.

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Doesnt it have a openGL mode?

Yes. But its reliant on the CPU

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The article said they used the same CPU's.

I've had my GTX 650ti score higher in CBR15 OpenGL than my GTX 970 with my 4790K-point is that its misleading to use CB as a GPU benchmark.

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Cinnebench is not a legit GPU benchmark, it has a limit to hard far it can go, I got barely any more FPS in that benchmark when I went from my 980 to a 1080 ti

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Also, they really should have compared Vega FE to the uadro series since they along with Vega FE have drivers aimed at professional applications (the reason why is seen here):
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review/Professional-Testing-SPEC
Because that's a better show case of its value in certain workloads than running it against a card using gaming orientated drivers and gaming oriented features.

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This makes me wonder why Apple didn't use Vega FE for the iMac Pro because they are marketing it as a workstation machine, and Intel Xeon CPUs are not very good for gaming anyways.

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This makes me wonder why Apple didn't use Vega FE for the Mac Pro because they are marketing it as a workstation machine, and Intel Xeon is not very good for gaming anyways.

The mac pro? you mean the trashcan? Vega FE wasn't out yet.

also Xeon isn't a GPU.

something's clearly messed up here. (did you mean Ryzen?)

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sorry, I ment iMac Pro

 

oh, and Apple is most likely (or I heard) using an intel Xeon CPU for the iMac pro 

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I hope Apple will use an i9 chip, for workstation use and for gaming.

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This is misleading as fuck.

 

This has nothing to do with actual speed of the card but the lack of optimization for nvidia cards. Apple is known to highly support AMD since its their primary cards for a while now. How about some actual benchmark numbers rather than the argument of "it was beating it in a test by 14 percent"

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AMD glory days aren't back tho

GPU wise, not really.

CPU wise, well ryzen is doing quite well so at least there's that.

 

It's likely the glory days won't return soon but they are at least somewhat heading in the right direction which is good for everyone.

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It's been known that Vega can boast better performance in traditionally workstation tasks because of its compute characteristics against GTX counterparts when it has comparatively poor gaming performance. It also typically carries a lower price tag than the quadro counterparts

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Apple does not have any intention to make these machines a gaming machine. 

can it game? sure. but don't expect it to do well. 

the iMac pro is not a gaming machine.... 

stop treating hardwares like "gaming machine" as soon as you see a beefy GPU in it...

there is other things do to on your PC/Mac... 

 

Next year all the desktop mac is gonna get a refresh. Wait for those machines to come out.

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So will the iMac Pro be the next gaming machine?

Why would it? These aren't gaming benchmarks we're looking at...

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CPU: Pentium G4400, CPU Cooler: Stock, Motherboard: MSI h110l Pro Mini AC, RAM: Hyper X Fury DDR4 1x8gb 2133 MHz, Storage: PNY CS1311 120gb SSD + two Segate 4tb HDDs in RAID 1, Video Card: Does Intel Integrated Graphics count?, Case: Fractal Design Node 304, Power Supply: Seasonic 360w 80+ Gold, Keyboard+Mouse+Monitor: Does it matter?

Laptop (I use it for school):

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Surface book 2 13" with an i7 8650u, 8gb RAM, 256 GB storage, and a GTX 1050

And if you're curious (or a stalker) I have a Just Black Pixel 2 XL 64gb

 

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On 10/11/2017 at 3:41 AM, Max_Settings said:

Cinnebench is not a legit GPU benchmark, it has a limit to hard far it can go, I got barely any more FPS in that benchmark when I went from my 980 to a 1080 ti

I agree except mine went in reverse. I got 5 fps lower constantly over and over when going from a 970 to a 1070. Went from 160fps to just under 155fps yet in games i'm running at higher settings and higher fps etc. 

System Specs:

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X

GPU: Radeon RX 7900 XT 

RAM: 32GB 3600MHz

HDD: 1TB Sabrent NVMe -  WD 1TB Black - WD 2TB Green -  WD 4TB Blue

MB: Gigabyte  B550 Gaming X- RGB Disabled

PSU: Corsair RM850x 80 Plus Gold

Case: BeQuiet! Silent Base 801 Black

Cooler: Noctua NH-DH15

 

 

 

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50 percent faster in solid works?? Sign me up. Some of my workflow takes a few hours to complete a simulation on there.

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Celestial-Uprising  A Work In-Progress

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