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Mozilla funding ANTIFA?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I think it's not right for Mozilla to donate that much money to a partisan organization, both the amount of donation and the purpose are very misplaced.

I don't support the general ANTIFA sentiment (Their borderline Fascist anti-fascist side is a whole other matter), but there is essentially unlimited money coming in from political organizations for such causes thanks to the political situation, why does Mozilla Open source support feel like it needs to support a property email system?

To put it into prospective, A $100,000 earmarked for an opensource email system like Roundcube (Looks like riseup is using a modified variant of this project) would not only alight with the Mozilla Open Source Support philosophy, but would also help other activists around the world.

 

source: youtube, https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/10/03/mozilla-awards-half-million-open-source-projects/


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i'm not gonna go into politics here, but isn't mozilla a non-profit?


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11 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm not gonna go into politics here, but isn't mozilla a non-profit?

yes it is


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8 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

yes it is

how can they fund antifa then?


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1 hour ago, suicidalfranco said:

I support the general ANTIFA sentiment (Their borderline Fascist anti-fascist side is another matter), but there is essentially unlimited money coming in from political organizations for such causes thanks to the political situation, why does Mozilla Open source support feel like it needs to support a property email system?

I don't know if I can say my thoughts without violating the CS but here it goes.

 

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The "antifa movement" isn't particularly new nor it is exclusive to the left. The moniker "antifa" is basically any group of people who oppose fascism, whether it is real fascism or just perceived. But back on Mozilla funding antifa, I don't think it's right for them to lean towards any political spectrum, it would be best as a tech non-profit organization to be neutral or else they'll experience a backlash from people from both ends of the political spectrum.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

how can they fund antifa then?

nonprofit doen't mean not being able the generate money. the Mozilla foundations still receives money throught contracts with search engines providers and donations


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Just now, suicidalfranco said:

nonprofit doen't mean not being able the generate money. the Mozilla foundations still receives money throught contracts with search engines providers and donations

oh okay.

 

i disagree with antifa, but still, i would oppose giving money to any activists, as a non-profit organization. if they have money left over, it would be better spent on cancer research or something.


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Just now, Fedaykyn said:

You cannot discuss with someone who has a blanket statement about socialism and capitalism in his signature in a tech forum. 

i said, "most people". i don't think it's right for mods to lock a thread because of the actions of one person.


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Just now, firelighter487 said:

please stop. this is a tech forum...

13 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

why? most people posting here can have a civil discussion about this.

 

 

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True. I'm will.

i meant, discussing the funding of activist groups by non-profit organisations. that's not "political or religious debate"


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1 minute ago, Prysin said:

yup. Might be using this for moneylaundring?

possibly. that would be a really shady tactic. but how would that work? because they gave antifa the money didn't they?


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1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

i meant, discussing the funding of activist groups by non-profit organisations. that's not "political or religious debate"

You can't do that without sliding into politics.

Companies and organization can support who every they want, but Antifa is a terrorist organization in New Jersey and FBI (or CIA, can't remember) internally classifies it as a terrorist organization.


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7 minutes ago, Prysin said:

yup. Might be using this for moneylaundring?

The question is why do they need to do that and how do they get it back, if that's the case.


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As per the Community Standards try not to directly talk about politics. Whether this will work out or not doesn't have good odds so expect this thread to get locked.

 

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Welp, here comes my first locked thread :P


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2 hours ago, Fedaykyn said:

They are a threat to which people ? Are those people a positive force for your country ? If you answered No to the 2nd question I hardly see anything wrong with the organization being funded but kept within the legal limits of what it can do. And yes I do know that actualy extremist left is hardly sticking to what is allowed by law.

So you justify antifa violence because you believe their opposition are not a positive force in your country? Nice.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

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Mozilla is a non profit organization which receives money from both private donors and from certain companies for contracts. Wouldn't it be imperative to inform the private donors exactly how their money is being spent and strictly limit it to uses which confirm to their core open source principles ? On the other hand, if they were only using money they earned from corporate contracts, I guess they should be free to do whatever they want with it ( as long as it's legal ). Still, Shouldn't it be illegal to fund a terrorist organization of any form ?

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1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

 

...Yeah... That sounds downright diabolical... *eyeroll*

Thank you for pointing out that this thread is rigged toward a certain stance from the get go.

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2 minutes ago, Kumaresh said:

Mozilla is a non profit organization which receives money from both private donors and from certain companies for contracts. Wouldn't it be imperative to inform the private donors exactly how their money is being spent and strictly limit it to uses which confirm to their core open source principles ? On the other hand, if they were only using money they earned from corporate contracts, I guess they should be free to do whatever they want with it ( as long as it's legal ). Still, Shouldn't it be illegal to fund a terrorist organization of any form ?

here is the project they are funding https://riseup.net/   not exactly ISIS right? 

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6 minutes ago, Fedaykyn said:

here is the project they are funding https://riseup.net/   not exactly ISIS right? 

Quite right. They aren't a terrorist organization at all. In what way are they linked to Antifa, as many people have alleged ?

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