Mozilla funding ANTIFA?

[suicidalfranco]

I think it's not right for Mozilla to donate that much money to a partisan organization, both the amount of donation and the purpose are very misplaced.

I don't support the general ANTIFA sentiment (Their borderline Fascist anti-fascist side is a whole other matter), but there is essentially unlimited money coming in from political organizations for such causes thanks to the political situation, why does Mozilla Open source support feel like it needs to support a property email system?

To put it into prospective, A $100,000 earmarked for an opensource email system like Roundcube (Looks like riseup is using a modified variant of this project) would not only alight with the Mozilla Open Source Support philosophy, but would also help other activists around the world.

 

source: youtube, https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/10/03/mozilla-awards-half-million-open-source-projects/

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

i'm not gonna go into politics here, but isn't mozilla a non-profit?

[suicidalfranco]

11 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm not gonna go into politics here, but isn't mozilla a non-profit?

yes it is

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

8 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

yes it is

how can they fund antifa then?

[cj09beira]

Are they really supporting a terrorist group?? Wtf

[captain_to_fire]

1 hour ago, suicidalfranco said:

I support the general ANTIFA sentiment (Their borderline Fascist anti-fascist side is another matter), but there is essentially unlimited money coming in from political organizations for such causes thanks to the political situation, why does Mozilla Open source support feel like it needs to support a property email system?

I don't know if I can say my thoughts without violating the CS but here it goes.

 

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The "antifa movement" isn't particularly new nor it is exclusive to the left. The moniker "antifa" is basically any group of people who oppose fascism, whether it is real fascism or just perceived. But back on Mozilla funding antifa, I don't think it's right for them to lean towards any political spectrum, it would be best as a tech non-profit organization to be neutral or else they'll experience a backlash from people from both ends of the political spectrum.

[suicidalfranco]

4 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

how can they fund antifa then?

nonprofit doen't mean not being able the generate money. the Mozilla foundations still receives money throught contracts with search engines providers and donations

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, suicidalfranco said:

nonprofit doen't mean not being able the generate money. the Mozilla foundations still receives money throught contracts with search engines providers and donations

oh okay.

 

i disagree with antifa, but still, i would oppose giving money to any activists, as a non-profit organization. if they have money left over, it would be better spent on cancer research or something.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, Fedaykyn said:

You cannot discuss with someone who has a blanket statement about socialism and capitalism in his signature in a tech forum. 

i said, "most people". i don't think it's right for mods to lock a thread because of the actions of one person.

[matrix07012]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

please stop. this is a tech forum...

13 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

why? most people posting here can have a civil discussion about this.

 

 

True. I'm will.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, matrix07012 said:

 

 

True. I'm will.

i meant, discussing the funding of activist groups by non-profit organisations. that's not "political or religious debate"

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm not gonna go into politics here, but isn't mozilla a non-profit?

yup. Might be using this for moneylaundring?

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

yup. Might be using this for moneylaundring?

possibly. that would be a really shady tactic. but how would that work? because they gave antifa the money didn't they?

[matrix07012]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

i meant, discussing the funding of activist groups by non-profit organisations. that's not "political or religious debate"

You can't do that without sliding into politics.

Companies and organization can support who every they want, but Antifa is a terrorist organization in New Jersey and FBI (or CIA, can't remember) internally classifies it as a terrorist organization.

[matrix07012]

7 minutes ago, Prysin said:

yup. Might be using this for moneylaundring?

The question is why do they need to do that and how do they get it back, if that's the case.

[leadeater]

As per the Community Standards try not to directly talk about politics. Whether this will work out or not doesn't have good odds so expect this thread to get locked.

 

On 1/20/2016 at 1:52 PM, Windspeed36 said:

No Trolling

• This includes flame wars such as NVIDIA vs AMD, political or religious debate.

[suicidalfranco]

Welp, here comes my first locked thread

[AshleyAshes]

 

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RiseUp, a coordination platform used by activists across the political spectrum, to improve the security of their email service;

...Yeah... That sounds downright diabolical... *eyeroll*

[Spenser1337]

2 hours ago, Fedaykyn said:

They are a threat to which people ? Are those people a positive force for your country ? If you answered No to the 2nd question I hardly see anything wrong with the organization being funded but kept within the legal limits of what it can do. And yes I do know that actualy extremist left is hardly sticking to what is allowed by law.

So you justify antifa violence because you believe their opposition are not a positive force in your country? Nice.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

[Fedaykyn]

1 hour ago, AshleyAshes said:

 

...Yeah... That sounds downright diabolical... *eyeroll*

Thank you for pointing out that this thread is rigged toward a certain stance from the get go.

[Fedaykyn]

2 minutes ago, Kumaresh said:

Mozilla is a non profit organization which receives money from both private donors and from certain companies for contracts. Wouldn't it be imperative to inform the private donors exactly how their money is being spent and strictly limit it to uses which confirm to their core open source principles ? On the other hand, if they were only using money they earned from corporate contracts, I guess they should be free to do whatever they want with it ( as long as it's legal ). Still, Shouldn't it be illegal to fund a terrorist organization of any form ?

here is the project they are funding https://riseup.net/   not exactly ISIS right? 

[Spenser1337]

4 minutes ago, Fedaykyn said:

here is the project they are funding https://riseup.net/   not exactly ISIS right? 

Antifa is a terrorist organization you need to learn to differentiate your opinion from fact. 

[Misanthrope]

Mozilla is funding Antifa? The same Mozilla who's former CEO gave money to anti-gay rights organizations?

 

Sorry but with this much flip-flopping even if you really hate Antifa, I wouldn't worry.

[Spenser1337]

3 minutes ago, Kumaresh said:

Quite right. They aren't a terrorist organization at all. In what way are they linked to Antifa, as many people have alleged ?

https://steemit.com/news/@laststand/mozilla-donates-usd100k-to-riseup-antifa

 

https://riseuptimes.org/2017/09/03/chris-hedges-responds-to-criticism-of-antifa-column/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/01/responding-to-antifa-and-riseup-on-revolutionary-politics-and-non-violence/

 

 

[Fedaykyn]

1 minute ago, Spenser1337 said:

Antifa is a terrorist organization you need to learn to differentiate your opinion from fact. 

That T word gets thrown around a lot of times these days on the western side of the big pond. Ones terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, yada yada and so on.

 

All I am trying to say here is that if we take a look at recent clashes of right and left extremists I could clearly differentiate between the people who carry guns and behave like a well organized paramilitary organization mainly consisting of white young to middle aged men and the other crowd which consists of peaceful protestants of all races and ages and some dipshits who dress in black and want to get all uppity with the cops and right wingers. Are they right to do that? Hello no. However when it comes to the left ,no matter where we are in the world authority is fearful. And rightfully so as the ideas are actual motors of progress and improvement of quality of life for everyone.