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ASUS and MSI have both released a new top of the range X370 motherboard.

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Specs: ASUS Crosshair VI Extreme

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  • AMD X370
  • Memory
    AMD Ryzen™ Processors
    4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz ECC and non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
    AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
    4 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 2400/2133 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory *
    Dual Channel Memory Architecture 
    * Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs. 
    * Refer to www.asus.com for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).
  • Multi-GPU Support
    Supports NVIDIA® 2-Way SLI™ Technology *1
    Supports AMD 3-Way CrossFireX™ Technology *1
  • Expansion Slots
    AMD Ryzen™ Processors
    2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8) *2
    AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors
    1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x8 mode) 
    AMD X370 chipset
    1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (max at x4 mode) *3
    3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 *3
  • Storage
    AMD Ryzen™ Processors : 
    1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
    1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*2
    AMD 7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors : 
    1 x M.2 Socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
    AMD X370 chipset : 
    8 x SATA 6Gb/s port(s), 
    Support Raid 0, 1, 10
  • LAN
    Intel® I211-AT, 1 x Gigabit LAN Controller(s)
    Anti-surge LANGuard
    ROG GameFirst IV
  • Wireless Data Network
    Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
    Supports dual band frequency 2.4/5 GHz
    Supports MU-MIMO
  • Bluetooth
    Bluetooth V4.2*4
  • Audio
    ROG SupremeFX 8-Channel High Definition Audio CODEC S1220
    - Impedance sense for front and rear headphone outputs
    - Supports : Jack-detection, Multi-streaming, Front Panel Jack-retasking
    - High quality 120 dB SNR stereo playback output and 113 dB SNR recording input
    - SupremeFX Shielding Technology
    - ESS® ES9023P
    - Supports up to 32-Bit/192kHz playback *5
    Audio Feature :
    - Gold-plated jacks
    - Optical S/PDIF out port(s) at back panel
    - Sonic Radar III
    - Sonic Studio III
  • USB Ports
    AMD Ryzen™/7th Generation A-series/Athlon™ Processors : 
    4 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 port(s) (4 at back panel, blue)
    AMD X370 chipset : 
    6 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 port(s) (2 at back panel, blue, 4 at mid-board)
    AMD X370 chipset : 
    5 x USB 2.0 port(s) (4 at back panel, black, 1 at mid-board)
    ASMedia® USB 3.1 Gen 2 controller : 
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel connector port(s) 
    ASMedia® USB 3.1 Gen 2 controller : 
    2 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 port(s) (2 at back panel, , Type-A + USB Type-CTM)
  • ROG Exclusive Features
    Clear CMOS button
    ROG RAMCache II
    ROG CPU-Z
    ROG CloneDrive
    Pre-mounted I/O Shield
    Slow Mode
    Overwolf
    ReTry Button
    Safe Boot Button
    Start Button
    Reset Button
    LN2 Mode
    GameFirst IV
    Extreme Engine Digi+ :
    - MicroFine Alloy Chokes
    - NexFET™ Power Block MOSFET
    - 10K Black Metallic Capacitors
    Mem TweakIt
    KeyBot II
    - One-click Overclocking
    - DirectKey
    - ClrCMOS
    - Power On
    UEFI BIOS features :
    - O.C. Profile
    - Tweakers' Paradise
    - ROG SSD Secure Erase
    - Graphic Card Information Preview
    ROG RAMDisk
    Extreme Tweaker
    USB BIOS Flashback
  • Special Features
    ASUS Dual Intelligent Processors 5-Way Optimization by Dual Intelligent Processors 5 :
    - 5-Way Optimization tuning key perfectly consolidates TPU, EPU, DIGI+ VRM, Fan Expert 4, and Turbo App
    TPU
    - Fan Xpert 4 featuring Fan Auto Tuning function and multiple thermistors 
    Gamer's Guardian:
    - SafeSlot
    AURA :
    - Aura Lighting Control
    - Aura RGB Strip Headers
    - Aura Lighting Effects Synchronization with compatible ASUS ROG devices
    - Aura Addressable Strip Header(s)
    ASUS Exclusive Features :
    - AI Suite 3
    ASUS EZ DIY :
    - ASUS CrashFree BIOS 3 
    - ASUS EZ Flash 3 
    - ASUS USB BIOS Flashback 
    ASUS Q-Design :
    - ASUS Q-Code
    - ASUS Q-LED (CPU, DRAM, VGA, Boot Device LED)
    - ASUS Q-DIMM 
    - ASUS Q-Connector
    Overclocking Protection :
    - ASUS C.P.R.(CPU Parameter Recall)
  • Back I/O Ports
    1 x LAN (RJ45) port(s)
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 (black)USB Type-CTM
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 (red)Type-A
    6 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 (blue) 
    4 x USB 2.0 (one port can be switched to USB BIOS Flashback) 
    1 x Optical S/PDIF out
    1 x Clear CMOS button(s)
    1 x USB BIOS Flashback Button(s)
    1 x ASUS 2x2 Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac and Bluetooth v4.2 module
    5 x Gold-plated audio jacks
  • Internal I/O Ports
    1 x Aura Addressable Strip Header(s)
    2 x Aura RGB Strip Headers
    2 x USB 3.1 Gen 1 connector(s) support(s) additional 4 USB 3.1 Gen 1 port(s) 
    1 x USB 2.0 connector(s) support(s) additional 1 USB 2.0 port(s)
    1 x M.2 Socket 1 with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
    1 x M.2 Socket 3 with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)
    1 x TPM header
    8 x SATA 6Gb/s connector(s)
    1 x CPU Fan connector(s) (1 x 4 -pin)
    1 x CPU OPT Fan connector(s) (1 x 4 -pin)
    1 x Chassis Fan connector(s) (1 x 4 -pin)
    1 x W_PUMP+ connector (1 x 4 -pin)
    1 x 8-pin EATX 12 V Power connector
    1 x 4-pin EATX 12 V_1 Power connector(s)
    1 x 24-pin EATX Power connector(s)
    1 x Front panel audio connector(s) (AAFP)
    1 x Internal speaker connector(s)
    1 x System panel(s) (Q-Connector)
    1 x Slow Mode switch(es)
    7 x ProbeIt Measurement Points
    1 x EZ Plug connector(s) (4-pin Molex power connector)
    1 x Reset button(s)
    1 x 5-pin EXT_FAN(Extension Fan) connector
    1 x LN2 Mode jumper(s)
    1 x ROG extension (ROG_EXT) header(s)
    1 x Safe Boot button
    1 x ReTry button
    1 x W_IN header
    2 x W_OUT header
    1 x W_FLOW header
    1 x Thermal sensor connector
    1 x Start button
    1 x USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel connector
    1 x 9 pin Monoblock sensor
    8 x Radiator Fan Headers
  • Accessories
    User's manual
    1 x ROG logo plate sticker
    8 x SATA 6Gb/s cable(s)
    1 x M.2 Screw Package
    1 x Supporting DVD
    1 x Fan Extension Card (3 x 4-pin fan out)
    1 x Fan Extension card screw pack
    1 x Fan Extension card cable
    1 x ASUS 2T2R dual band Wi-Fi moving antennas (Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n compliant)
    1 x SLI HB BRIDGE(2-WAY-M)
    1 x ROG big sticker
    1 x Q-Connector
    1 x 10-in-1 ROG cable label
    1 x Extension Cable for RGB strips (80 cm)
    1 x Extension cable for Addressable LED
    3 x Thermistor cable(s)
    1 x ROG coaster(s)
  • BIOS
    128 Mb Flash ROM, UEFI AMI BIOS, PnP, WfM2.0, SM BIOS 3.0, ACPI 6.1, Multi-language BIOS, ASUS EZ Flash 3, CrashFree BIOS 3, F11 EZ Tuning Wizard, F6 Qfan Control, F3 My Favorites, Last Modified log, F12 PrintScreen and ASUS DRAM SPD (Serial Presence Detect) memory information

 

Pictures: MSI Pro Carbon

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CPU

• Supports AMD® RYZEN series Processors and 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors for Socket AM4
 

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• AMD® X370 Chipset
 

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• 4 x DDR4 memory slots, support up to 64GB
- Supports DDR4 1866/ 2133/ 2400/ 2667(OC)/ 2933(OC)/ 3200(OC)+ Mhz *
• Dual channel memory architecture
• Supports non-ECC UDIMM memory
• Supports ECC UDIMM memory (non-ECC mode)
* 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors support up to 2400 MHz only. Please refer www.msi.com for more information on compatible memory.
 

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• 2 x PCIe 3.0 x16 slots (PCIE_2, PCIE_4)
- RYZEN series processors support x16/x0, x8/x8 mode
- 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors support x8/x0 mode
• 1 x PCIe 2.0 x16 slot (PCIE_6, supports x4 mode)*
• 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1 slots
* PCI_E6 slot will be unavailable when installing M.2 PCIe SSD in M2_2 slot.
 

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• 1 x DVI-D port, supports a maximum resolution of 1920x1200@60Hz*
• 1 x HDMI™ 1.4 port, supports a maximum resolution of 4096x2160@24Hz*
* Only support when using a 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processor.
* Maximum shared memory of 2048 MB

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• RYZEN series processors
Supports 3-Way AMD® CrossFire™ Technology
Supports 2-Way NVIDIA® SLI™ Technology
• 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors
Supports 2-Way AMD® CrossFire™ Technology
 

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 AMD® X370 Chipset
• 6x SATA 6Gb/s ports*
• 2x M.2 slots (Key M)
- M2_1 slot supports PCIe 3.0 x4 (RYZEN series processors) or PCIe 3.0 x2 (7th Gen A-series/ Athlon™ processors) and SATA 6Gb/s 2242/ 2260 /2280/ 22110 storage devices
- M2_2 slot supports PCIe 2.0 x4 and SATA 6Gb/s 2242/ 2260 /2280 storage devices**

* M.2 and SATA ports combination details please refer user manual.
** PCI_E6 slot will be unavailable when installing M.2 PCIe SSD in M2_2 slot. SATA3 port will be unavailable when installing the SATA SSD card in M2_2 slot.



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 AMD® X370 Chipset
• Supports RAID 0, RAID1 and RAID 10 for SATA storage devices

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 ASMedia® ASM2142 Chipset
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-C port on the back panel
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 (SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps) Type-A port on the back panel

 AMD® X370 Chipset
- 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) ports available through the internal USB 3.1 Gen1 connectors
- 6 x USB 2.0 (High-speed USB) ports (2 Type-A ports on the back panel, 4 ports available through the internal USB 2.0 connectors)
 AMD® CPU
- 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 (SuperSpeed USB) Type-A ports on the back panel
 

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• Realtek® ALC1220 Codec
- 7.1-Channel High Definition Audio
- Supports S/PDIF output
 

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• 1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN controller
 

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•Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168
- Dual Band 1x1 802.11ac
- 80MHz Channels
- 433 Mbps Max Speed
- Bluetooth 4.2 (BR/EDR, BLE)
- Support Windows 7/ 8.1/ 10
 

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- 1 x 24-pin ATX main power connector
- 1 x 8-pin ATX 12V power connector
- 6 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors
- 2 x USB 2.0 connectors (support additional 4 USB 2.0 ports)
- 2 x USB 3.1 Gen1 connectors (support additional 4 USB 3.1 Gen1 ports)
- 1 x 4-pin CPU fan connector
- 1 x 4-pin water-pump-fan connector
- 4 x 4-pin system fan connectors
- 1 x TPM module connector
- 1 x Front panel audio connector
- 2 x System panel connectors
- 1 x Chassis Intrusion connector
- 1 x Clear CMOS jumper
- 1 x 4-pin RGB LED strip connector
 

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- 1 x PS/2 keyboard/ mouse combo port
- 2 x USB 2.0 Type-A ports
- 1 x DVI-D port
- 1 x HDMI™ port
- 4 x USB 3.1 Gen1 Type-A ports
- 1 x LAN (RJ45) port
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-A port
- 1 x USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C port
- 5 x OFC audio jacks
- 1 x Optical S/PDIF OUT connector
 

 

Personally i think the Pro Carbon looks good. But the Crosshair Extreme (this time with two phases for memory!!!) should be fucking EPIC (not epyc).... Hopefully this will help some ryzen CPUs get that magical little extra juice, maybe enough to get 4000 MHz memory run stable on XMP/AMP/DOHC

 

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ASUS: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8361/asus-crosshair-vi-extreme-amd-x370-motherboard-review/index.html

https://www.asus.com/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-EXTREME/

 

MSI: http://i2hard.ru/reviews/obzor-i-testirovanie-materinskoj-platy-msi-x370-gaming-pro-carbon.html

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X370-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC

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24 minutes ago, Prysin said:

Personally i think the Pro Carbon looks good. But the Crosshair Extreme (this time with two phases for memory!!!) should be fucking EPIC (not epyc).... Hopefully this will help some ryzen CPUs get that magical little extra juice, maybe enough to get 4000 MHz memory run stable on XMP/AMP/DOHC

Not much changed in practice. Memory VRM is exactly the same as on the Hero. VCore is still doubled 4+2, now with IR instead of TI mosfets. Identical audio implementation. More fan headers, addressable RGB, wifi, another M.2 slot. That's about it.

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1 hour ago, Nimrodor said:

Not much changed in practice. Memory VRM is exactly the same as on the Hero. VCore is still doubled 4+2, now with IR instead of TI mosfets. Identical audio implementation. More fan headers, addressable RGB, wifi, another M.2 slot. That's about it.

Still an improvement.

Asus usually has convoluted product stacks anyway, nice to see them back at their old ways with 6 billion ROG ATX boards covering a $100 price difference.


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cool to see ECC support listed :D 


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Never mind the boards, what is happening with RAM pricing?


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40 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

cool to see ECC support listed :D 

The MSI one supports ECC but only on Non-ECC mode.

I wonder if the ASUS one is the same or if it really does support ECC properly.


 

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Just now, WereCat said:

The MSI one supports ECC but only on Non-ECC mode.

I wonder if the ASUS one is the same or if it really does support ECC properly.

i really hope it supports proper ECC, Ryzen is compatible with ECC RAM so it would be pretty cool to see some boards with it


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Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

i really hope it supports proper ECC, Ryzen is compatible with ECC RAM so it would be pretty cool to see some boards with it

Ryzen is the ideal platform for cheap but powerful home servers... If there were actually good boards with proper ECC support.


 

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3 hours ago, Prysin said:

Personally i think the Pro Carbon looks good. But the Crosshair Extreme (this time with two phases for memory!!!) should be fucking EPIC (not epyc).... Hopefully this will help some ryzen CPUs get that magical little extra juice, maybe enough to get 4000 MHz memory run stable on XMP/AMP/DOHC

 

Throwing more phases at the ram doesn't really help that much. Putting 2 ram slots on the board would make a bigger difference.


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3 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Throwing more phases at the ram doesn't really help that much. Putting 2 ram slots on the board would make a bigger difference.

eh, with Ryzens shitty IMC it does A LOT...

Gigabyte AM4 boards are trash with memory speed, because it only have ONE phase, while most others use two phases. Thus delivers cleaner, more stable power. Which is required when you have a atrociously bad IMC

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1 minute ago, Sampsy said:

I don't understand the point of supporting Bluetooth 4.2 when Bluetooth 5.0 is already available. These motherboards are obsolete before they even hit the market. 

How often do you actually see Bluetooth 5.0 devices? Better to support the second latest version rather than not at all.


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5 minutes ago, Sampsy said:

I don't understand the point of supporting Bluetooth 4.2 when Bluetooth 5.0 is already available. These motherboards are obsolete before they even hit the market. 

4.2 is what is used by Xbox and PS4 controllers

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Just now, Misanthrope said:

Is 5.0 not backwards compatible? Cause otherwise I still don't fully get it. Price goes up a lot on 5.0?

It could be that at the start of board development 5.0 was not a viable option. (not enough controllers on the market or to costly) is it really a big deal?


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Just now, Misanthrope said:

Is 5.0 not backwards compatible? Cause otherwise I still don't fully get it. Price goes up a lot on 5.0?

probably price spiked atm. also only a tiny tiny tiny amount of stuff support it. Also, AFAIK, only BGA chips out there, not standalone cards. So more expensive to add to mobo then glue on a broadcomm or intel card.

 

Mind you, console controllers DO use 4.2, but with custom protocols (which is why PS4 controllers doesnt work natively with windows or linux and why XBOX controllers doesnt work natively with Linux)

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2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

It could be that at the start of board development 5.0 was not a viable option. (not enough controllers on the market or to costly) is it really a big deal?

That'd be my guess as well and considering I have no bluetooth functionality at the moment (though I do want it I just have no immediate need for it) it isn't really.

1 minute ago, Prysin said:

probably price spiked atm. also only a tiny tiny tiny amount of stuff support it. Also, AFAIK, only BGA chips out there, not standalone cards. So more expensive to add to mobo then glue on a broadcomm or intel card.

 

Mind you, console controllers DO use 4.2, but with custom protocols (which is why PS4 controllers doesnt work natively with windows or linux and why XBOX controllers doesnt work natively with Linux)

Well considering intel it's still the dominant platform perhaps we'll see 5.0 on some of the Z370 boards soon(ish). Not that I blame manufacturers since I do understand that AMD crapped the bed for half a decade almost but it is slightly frustrating than the motherboard support, while decent, just doesn't has as many options at this time.


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1 hour ago, Prysin said:

Mind you, console controllers DO use 4.2, but with custom protocols (which is why PS4 controllers doesnt work natively with windows or linux and why XBOX controllers doesnt work natively with Linux)

That's incorrect. Consoles use completely standard protocols if they use BlueTooth.

The PS4 controller doesn't work natively with Windows because, as a DirectInput controller, it requires an XInput wrapper or a piece of software to bind the buttons, sticks, and triggers. It works natively on OS X and any Linux distro that has fairly recent generic drivers.

The Xbox controller, on  the other hand, only does XInput, of which there is no official driver stack outside of Windows.

If either used custo protocol, they wouldn't be recognized by other OSes.


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18 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

That's incorrect. Consoles use completely standard protocols if they use BlueTooth.

The PS4 controller doesn't work natively with Windows because, as a DirectInput controller, it requires an XInput wrapper or a piece of software to bind the buttons, sticks, and triggers. It works natively on OS X and any Linux distro that has fairly recent generic drivers.

The Xbox controller, on  the other hand, only does XInput, of which there is no official driver stack outside of Windows.

If either used custo protocol, they wouldn't be recognized by other OSes.

they use a custom protocol in regards to the adress spaces. Bluetooth is just a description of the method of communication and the bandwidth it runs over. Protocol can be modded however you want, it just wont work with other devices.

 

Why did sony do this? because it allows them to lock people into their proprietary ecosystem and barrs third party controllers from entering their platform.

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12 hours ago, Nimrodor said:

Not much changed in practice. Memory VRM is exactly the same as on the Hero. VCore is still doubled 4+2, now with IR instead of TI mosfets. Identical audio implementation. More fan headers, addressable RGB, wifi, another M.2 slot. That's about it.

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On 10/9/2017 at 7:31 AM, The Benjamins said:

Waiting for a mATX x370 board or even better a mDTX x370 board

On 10/9/2017 at 12:00 PM, Misanthrope said:

Matx users want a little love too: I wish we could get an x370 matx board.

I would think x300 would be a more appropriate chipset for those configurations.  After all, who runs a micro/mini board with CF/SLI?

On 10/9/2017 at 11:32 AM, Prysin said:

Gigabyte AM4 boards are trash with memory speed

How so?  I'm getting 2933 stable with mine (and it's not Samsung B die).  Or are you referring to clocks speeds well over 3000?

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