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Build Log for Devastator 2.0

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IT IS MY TIME TO F O L L O W THIS INSANE BUILD

 

On 2/23/2018 at 12:37 AM, Damascus said:

Bitspower make great fittings, though barrow is basically unbranded bitspower.  The soft tube fittings i currently use are all BP but I'll be trying out barrow as they are 1/4 the cost.

 

Also, if you take a look at the last pic in the spoiler that's a heatkiller pro IV.  Can't recommend it enough.  I believe aquacomputer sells tempered glass/copper gpu blocks if you want something fun :P  XSPC as well apparently 

Barrow was like asrock; it used to be meh, but now (at least since a couple years ago) it's been great! Also, aquacomputer does indeed sell tempered glass windowed gpu waterblock. I didn't have one, but I did have a regular copper Aquacomputer waterblock on my old 780 ti. They are of the highest quality imo. Way better than the overrated overpriced EK stuff


Rig Specs:

Ryzen 7 1700 3.9ghz @1.33125v Cinebench Scores Best:1750cb Average: 1735cb

Asrock X370 SLI/AC  SOLD

Evga GTX 560 Ti 1gb    Just got a EVGA GTX 780 HydroCopper

G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x8gb 2400mhz oc’d to 2666mhz (bought when ram was still cheap :()  

Corsair RM850

Enthoo Pro M Acrylic Changing to a Inwin 301 soon

Custom CPU Loop (watercooling is boring to me right now so I want to go back to air cooling and do like one more WC Loop in a Inwin 301)

Intel 256gb SSD

Kingston 240gb SSD

HyperX 90gb SSD

Not So Shitbox v3 Specs:

I7 2600k oc'd to 4.7 @ 1.4ish (will do more when I get a better cooler) 

MSI P67-GD55  Sold to fund my gpu

Gigabyte Windforce HD 6950

Team Elite Plus 8gb DDR3 (1 stick) @ 1600mhz

Thermaltake Toughpower 750 watt

Cooler Master T4

Enthoo Luxe 

Kingston 120gb SSD

WD Black 1tb HDD

Laptop:

Asus GL552VW-DH71

i7 6700HQ

2x8gb DDR4 

1tb hard drive

GTX 960m

15in IPS 1080p display

 

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Well, things have changed since I started this.  The computer is still in the process of being built, but there was a stall as I waited.  I had heard the rumours of new cards coming from nVidia and was surprised with both the new Quadro RTXs AND the new Geforce RTX line.  BOTH of these are great for 3D rendering, but I need to decide which to go with, in terms of price point.  Not only that, generation 2 of the Threadrippers have come out, and so that has changed another aspect of the build.  And to top it off, I realized far too late that I had gotten a reservoir that was designed to be attached to a pump, so it had to be replaced, and I am left with a spare reservoir.  Since nothing more has been done in terms of what is built, I will hold off on too much more in the way of updates.  I am just waiting for the render engine (Octane Render) to post some results with both the Quadros and GeForce RTX cards so I can see which gets the best bang for the buck.  Then the mass purchasing will begin of the cards, the mobo, RAM and CPU.  Then I will need to get the cables made after getting all the materials for those.  Oh yeah, and sometime between now and then, maybe I can find a good deal on a couple SSDs.  I may also do some modifications on the case to make sure the UV LEDs fit properly.  All in all, I'm still in a holding pattern, but things are coalescing into a direction, just need to get the final details.

 

Sorry to all following and hoping to see this.  It's my first liquid cooled system as it is, and I want to take the time to be sure it is what I need.  The sad part is, I have the money to make a MASSIVELY powered system (I COULD afford 4 top end Quadros) but I want this to be as efficient as it is powerful.

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19 hours ago, ImNotThere said:

I'm not sure if the rtx quadros or 2080ti will be much better than the titan V? I guess unless you wanted to use nvlink which afaik is under tested, that could be worth looking into 

For this render engine, the RTX is the best. I have seen the results of a Titan V compared to a 1080 TI and there's not much of an improvement of speed.  The RTX is twice as fast, they've gotten some benchmarks already and it's not even finished the optimization.  It's pretty impressive.

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3 hours ago, Nephanor said:

For this render engine, the RTX is the best. I have seen the results of a Titan V compared to a 1080 TI and there's not much of an improvement of speed.  The RTX is twice as fast, they've gotten some benchmarks already and it's not even finished the optimization.  It's pretty impressive.

That's what I'd have thought that, have you seen how nvlink scales vs sli?

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17 hours ago, ImNotThere said:

That's what I'd have thought that, have you seen how nvlink scales vs sli?

According to Otoy (the makers of the render engine) having the cards separate is best.  It actually utilizes them separately, so it doesn't need them 'linked'.  It just sends a portion of the data to each of them and lets them do their own thing.

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7 hours ago, Nephanor said:

According to Otoy (the makers of the render engine) having the cards separate is best.  It actually utilizes them separately, so it doesn't need them 'linked'.  It just sends a portion of the data to each of them and lets them do their own thing.

well thats cool then, i look forward to the results :) good luck man!

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Much Progress has been made, and unfortunately, some changes to the build.  So, I was going to swap the motherboard for a Gigabyte Auorus Extreme, but when I tried using it, there was an issue.  If I had all 8 sticks of the RAM installed, it wouldn't post, but with 7 it did fine.  The guys at Memory Express helped me figure that one out, and tested a motherboard they had in stock with the CPU and RAM and it worked fine.  So, the new motherboard is the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC.  The processor also got upgraded to the Threadripper 2 2990wx, so it's a beastly machine for threads, which are useful for 3D rendering.  I'm actually not going with EK's fittings, but instead going with Primochill's. Both to match the color of the tubing (using their UV reactive green PETG) and the fluid itself.  Not sure if I mentioned before but the fluid itself can't be the Primochill Vue, since it isn't designed for computer which will be powered on as long as this beast will be.  The GPUs are going to be ASUS RTX 2080 TI Turbos, since I don't care what they look like, once they have the water blocks on them.  The Reservoir I chose accidentally was one designed for connecting to a pump, so I got the Singularity Computers Protium.  I have a pair of 860 EVO Samsung SSD's under the motherboard (standard slim SSDs) in 1 TB and 2 TB sizes, and a pair of 970 EVO M.2 drives that will be going on the motherboard (1 & 2 TB again) which should cover all storage needs.  I have a bunch of InWin Polaris RGB fans I am using on both the rads, and helping case cooling on the front and will have a CoolerMaster RGB on the back to complete that.  The PSU was also upgraded to the Corsair ax1600i, since it has an even better rating than the 1500i.

 

But what you REALLY want to see is a little tech porn.  So here's most of the stuff set up in the places where it will be.

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Yes, I have an air cooler on the CPU now, so that I could do bench testing with it.  That will be removed once I get the liquid cooling in place.

In the bottom right corner you can see all the front panel cables I will need to hide, and behind the wall, the pump itself.  The PSU is completely hidden, so that's good.  I am thinking this for the order of the loop.

Res -> pump -> Splitter (for drain) -> CPU -> back rad (There are two on top) -> GPUs -> front rad -> Res

 

I kind of want there to be extra tubing to show off the fluid, which is why I chose not to go from one rad to the other.

 

Now, the big fun now is deciding what to do with all the open space in the bottom front.  I could add another Res if I really wanted to, but that kinda seems meh.  Honestly I was thinking something cool and interactive.  The color scheme for the build will be purple and green with a focus on UV reactivity, so, any ideas?

 

Also, I didn't even realize it, but the name Devastator for this build is extra funny.  This machine will be a 3D render machine.  Apparently, during the rendering of the final scene in the Michael Bay Transformers 2 movie, the one where Devastator is getting the machine in the pyramid free, ILM had some of their machines LITERALLY die due to the massive workload the scene passed on to them.  So here I have a 3D machine being named after the transformer which killed other render machines.  I hadn't heard that story till tonight, so it made me chuckle.

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So, the first shipment of toys for the cooling system arrived today.  Huge props to Primochill for getting this to me faster than it took Perfomance PCs to ship out my stuff, despite ordering the Primochill the day after.  Either way, still love Performance PCs, they are awesome.

 

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Now, I am doing things...in a way that makes sense.  Since I do need to drain the system, I am setting up the drain from the start, and having it so that it has a flex tubing which will be used to drain, even though the entire system is with the rigid tubing.  This is why I have both flex and rigid tubing and fittings.  Luckily, Primochill has both the valves AND the splitters with the UV green, so that color theme will be the same all throughout.  Even in the flex part.  Also picked up the pressure value, which I will put in place of the fill port on the reservoir when I am done filling the system.  I DID NOT pick up the fluid yet as not only am I not ready, but the weather here is REALLY cold (-30 C) so I don't want to take ANY chance of it freezing and breaking the container it is in.  After talking with the guys on the Primochill discord, I am looking at likely the True transparent.  Don't want to mess with opaques quite yet.

 

I also decided what to do with the lower bay, and it actually solves a problem I had.  The Photon 270 for the pump combo I had is going to be converted.  It's going to have some parts added onto it (likely from a 3D printer) and turned into a 'power core' with an aesthetic similar to the NovaCore Extreme reservoir, but looking significantly more like it's from something sci-fi.  I had been looking to get a 3D printer for ages, and this gives me a reason, and since there are some UV reactive materials you can get, and I do have a UV light for the Photon's inner core, I can add some of the UV fluid to it (in a sealed environment) and some UV 'fins' or parts, and turn it into something that looks it belong on some alien spacecraft.

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Got the next shipment of parts, thanks to Performance PCs.  The water blocks for the CPU and GPUs, as well as some more UV lights of shorter length and cables to connect them to the system.  Next things to get: pins, connectors, cables & sleeving for all the cabling.  Then begins the construction.  I have a 3D printer arriving monday, so I can start learning that to make the parts to have the 'power core'.IMG_20190111_143842.thumb.jpg.563e7362a84e2d1d2662923e8a58f53e.jpg

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Most of the major parts are now in! Video cards all tested and good, now it's time to start putting the water blocks on then and start work on measuring the cables and buying the materials for that.  Due to the size of the cards, I am going to be moving the reservoir from the front to the back, didn't realize just how much room they would take up.  Also going to pick up a second holding cage to make sure it's stable.  Just wish I could do something about the white cables with that monitor.  It's absolutely gorgeous, but the white is annoying.  May end up just spray painting them to match.

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Everything is here now, except a couple cable ends which will be arriving monday.  I have all the pins, all the cable sleeving and even have started making cable combs on my 3D printer.  So I found two different styles and am trying two different materials.  Here's how they look....

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Those are the two styles of combs and the two materials.  The bottom style fits better, so I went with that.  Here's how it looks on the sleeved cables (my first PCI-E cable)

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While the purple fits in better with the cable itself, it is lacking in another area.  Since the computer itself will have both green and purple, as well as having UV lighting, I wanted to see how they would look under UV.  So I picked up a nice UV flashlight (which is also handy for around the house with a pair of cats)

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After seeing this, I was sold, the purple comb's style, but the green color.  (Special thanks to Atomic Filament, that is some AMAZING UV reactive PETG, picking up some of their other filaments as well)

 

So then I made enough for one cable, and this is what it all looks like:

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Before anyone comments, the heat shrink is actually not cut extra long, that's an extra piece on the sleeving already to slide down and use on the other end of the cable.  Why is the other end of this PCI-E cable not done?  Well, the Corsair ax16001 does NOT use the same pinouts that the ax1200 uses, and I literally had to re-do it.  Not only that, it takes one output and splits it into two on the other side with one cable being completely useless.  Need to practice my soldering and double up that cable on the PSU side, so I can have the combs make the cable look it's best when it is out in the open.  I will likely post my results of the pinouts for the ax1600i when I am done to help future cable makers.

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Oh, also, forgot to mention, I have converted all the GPUs to being water cooled now, which had some delays.  Two of the GPU kits were missing some of the thermal pads, and then when I got them all done, I found out that the terminal, while it DOES work with these, does not include the proper length of screws to fit.  So I had to wait for EK to send those out to me.  Thanks to them for sending them out promptly, even though it ended up being two separate shipments. They ended up getting to me from Eastern Europe in LESS than a week.

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IMG_20190415_171512.jpgSo got two CPU cables made and ready to roll.  Tested them with my multimeter and it has the same output as the base one.  Yes, they have a curve, but they kinda need it to get into position.  Still working on soldering to get the PCIe and 24 pin cables done so I can finish them.  My main thing I need to learn is how to ensure the wires are all the same length, including the pins.  Any suggestions?

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Also, after trying to fit the pump in the back area, I found it wouldn't work.  No good mounting spots and worse, it will make it too hard to get the tubing in and out, so I gave up on the idea of having the cool 'power core' on the front part and just am moving the pump there.  Will have to do some mods to the bottom so I can attach the pump to it, but it has a perfect spot to put it.  Grabbed the drill bit today to put the mounting holes.  Here's what things look like so far with the two CPU cables installed, and some of the cabling for the front panel plugged in.  Also, the UV LEDs are all set up (except 1 group) so I need to look at where I will be mounting the aqua computer controller for that and the RGB, and getting all that connected in next.  I want the cabling done before I start getting the tubing bent.  May have to re-work the order based on things too.  Also, you can't see it (because it's clear) but there is a "Clearneon" UV purple paint on the sides of the radiators, so they will have a little glow too.  Since I don't have the pump down there anymore, I may move the optical drive down to the bottom so it's not visible from this side (which has the tempered glass panel to see the inside).  The other side doesn't have a panel (only went with one) so it's not worth having that messing up the view.

 

So re-thought order of system:

Res -> splitter (for drain) -> pump -> GPUs -> front rad -> CPU -> back rad -> Res

I do see two areas of issue:

1. The GPU block will have a VERY tight bend coming in right by the tempered glass, and I do mean TIGHT.  4 inches to make the right angle turn, maybe more.  Likely will have that one the output going to the front rad, since it will be short.

2. The back left side where I was looking to have the output from the res will have a fan awfully close for another tight fit.  But I can swap it to output from the other end.  Not sure what that will do in terms of the system, pushing and pulling from the same end.  Thoughts?

 

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