AMD Ryzen 7 1800X VS Intel i7 8700K

[Abhinavp]

which one is better to buy keeping in productivity, gaming and streaming games performance in mind. also don't forget the overclocked performance and price........

  for me, i am going for a 1440p @ 144 to 165hz monitor and a gtx 1080.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Abhinavp

[xsimplyjosh]

52 minutes ago, Abhinavp said:

which one is better to buy keeping in productivity, gaming and streaming games performance in mind. also don't forget the overclocked performance and price........

it all depends on what you do. you can't just generalize everything into one category, siome will have its tradeoffs one side or another, you have to decide which tasks you're going to be focused on more [productivity? or gaming?]

 

 

[VagabondWraith]

8700K and put a nice OC on it. Best all-around chip IMO.

[Od1sseas]

8700K ofc

[DocSwag]

If you OC both the 8700k is maybe gonna be 5% worse in multi thread while having a 35-40% single thread lead. Definitely the 8700k.

[knightslugger]

Ryzen 1700 for price to performance. it will chew 165 FPS at 1080p no problem and then you might be able to afford a 1080 ti.

[mynameisjuan]

Overall the 8700k

-Cheaper MSRP

-Better single core for performance in almost every application besides rendering, encodning...blah blah blah

-Multicore performance are pretty damn close to each other and overclocked is even better.

 

[mynameisjuan]

33 minutes ago, xsimplyjosh said:

it all depends on what you do. you can't just generalize everything into one category

Why cant you?

 

Say you go Ryzen for workstation performance, do you just boot your pc up, pull up only photoshop and not do anything else? How about web browsing, or maybe the workstation you are using is for game development, something that single core performance matters more. 

 

Thats why I hate the are you a gamer or need it for work. People will use PCs for EVERYTHING. The overall performance of the 8700k allows for better single core while matching multicore hence making a good overall CPU.

[TahoeDust]

If you can get your hands on a 8700k, it is a pretty easy choice.

[SnowyMus]

1 hour ago, Abhinavp said:

which one is better to buy keeping in productivity, gaming and streaming games performance in mind. also don't forget the overclocked performance and price........

Productivity - The 1800X has more cores, but lots of benchmarks show that the 8700K's high clock speed more than makes up for this, even more if you overclock it. I have no doubt that the i7-8700K will outperform the 1800X more often than not.

 

Gaming - The i7 is faster. Even so, they're both good for gaming, and unless you care about 400 FPS vs 250 FPS in CS:GO, I wouldn't worry about your Ryzen 7 CPU performing poorly. This should go without saying, but if you only cared about gaming, Ryzen 5 and Intel Core i5 are what you should be getting, but it's clear you want to do more than this.

 

Streaming - I haven't seen any streaming benchmarks, but my guess is that, like gaming, Intel is better, but AMD is still good.

 

Price - The i7 itself is cheaper ($360 versus $400), but unless you wanted a high end consumer motherboard, you'd probably get B350 if you went with AMD, as B350 supports overclocking, too. Here, the price differences of B350 versus Z370 make up the difference. It may also be worth considering that the i7 runs a bit hotter, so you may need to invest more in cooling for higher overclocks, such as getting liquid cooling or a high end air cooler. Overall, Ryzen 7 1800X is cheaper when you take everything into consideration, but not by much.

 

However, there's also the Ryzen 7 1700 to consider, which is not only cheaper ($300 vs $360 and $400), but when overclocked, can give you nearly the same (or exactly/better than the same depending on how well you can OC it) performance as an 1800X. Not only that, but you don't have to pay for the cooler, making it even cheaper.

 

tl;dr - It's complicated. Yes, the i7 is faster in every way, and I think when you consider everything I just said, it's a better buy than the 1800X. But you should also consider the 1700, too. Sure, you need to overclock it a bit to get it up to snuff, but if you were going to do that anyway, then why not consider that, instead?

[Princess Luna]

If you can afford just go with the i7... less stressing for sure.

[epsilon84]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/18.html

 

I think this graph says it all. The 8700K is the better 'all round' CPU.

 

If you want to break it down further, it provides better single threaded/gaming performance, and comparable multi threaded performance when compared to the Ryzen 1800X (or Ryzen 1700/1700X).

[Abhinavp]

58 minutes ago, Kavawuvi said:

Productivity - The 1800X has more cores, but lots of benchmarks show that the 8700K's high clock speed more than makes up for this, even more if you overclock it. I have no doubt that the i7-8700K will outperform the 1800X more often than not.

 

Gaming - The i7 is faster. Even so, they're both good for gaming, and unless you care about 400 FPS vs 250 FPS in CS:GO, I wouldn't worry about your Ryzen 7 CPU performing poorly. This should go without saying, but if you only cared about gaming, Ryzen 5 and Intel Core i5 are what you should be getting, but it's clear you want to do more than this.

 

Streaming - I haven't seen any streaming benchmarks, but my guess is that, like gaming, Intel is better, but AMD is still good.

 

Price - The i7 itself is cheaper ($360 versus $400), but unless you wanted a high end consumer motherboard, you'd probably get B350 if you went with AMD, as B350 supports overclocking, too. Here, the price differences of B350 versus Z370 make up the difference. It may also be worth considering that the i7 runs a bit hotter, so you may need to invest more in cooling for higher overclocks, such as getting liquid cooling or a high end air cooler. Overall, Ryzen 7 1800X is cheaper when you take everything into consideration, but not by much.

 

However, there's also the Ryzen 7 1700 to consider, which is not only cheaper ($300 vs $360 and $400), but when overclocked, can give you nearly the same (or exactly/better than the same depending on how well you can OC it) performance as an 1800X. Not only that, but you don't have to pay for the cooler, making it even cheaper.

 

tl;dr - It's complicated. Yes, the i7 is faster in every way, and I think when you consider everything I just said, it's a better buy than the 1800X. But you should also consider the 1700, too. Sure, you need to overclock it a bit to get it up to snuff, but if you were going to do that anyway, then why not consider that, instead?

yup you are right, but the reason i don't prefer the 1700 over 8700k because of the gaming performance. if i can get a better cpu for gaming and other single core related work flows for a few bucks more then why should i consider 1700? also when overclocked they have relatively similar multi core score too 

[SnowyMus]

1 hour ago, Abhinavp said:

yup you are right, but the reason i don't prefer the 1700 over 8700k because of the gaming performance. if i can get a better cpu for gaming and other single core related work flows for a few bucks more then why should i consider 1700? also when overclocked they have relatively similar multi core score too 

The difference is a bit more than what you think.

 

The Ryzen 7 1700 MSRPs for $300, but you get one for $295 off of Amazon or Newegg right now. The minimum requirement for overclocking is a B350 board, and you can a no-frills B350 board for $70. The CPU comes with a cooler that is good enough to sustain a 3.9 GHz overclock while still leaving some thermal headroom to spare. While you can maybe get another 100-200 MHz out of buying a better cooler, it's a waste of money, so you'll stick with the stock cooler. That's $365 total.

 

The Intel Core i7-8700K is $360. You can't use Z270 or older boards, so if you want overclocking, you'll need a Z370 board, and the cheapest Z370 board I can find on Newegg is $120. The Intel Core i7-8700K comes with no cooler, and even if it did come with the stock Intel thermal solution, you may as well just put a stack of pennies on your CPU, because Intel's coolers are about that good. Obviously we're okay with budget cooling, so in this case, we'll get the high performance-per-dollar 212 EVO, which is only $25. That's $505 total.

 

Sure, maybe you're paying only $60 more for the CPU itself, but a CPU can't do anything without a motherboard, and it can't do much except thermal throttle and shut down without a cooler. Overall, you'd be paying $140 less by going with the Ryzen 7 1700. Is it worth paying this much extra? That's for you to decide.

 

I imagine prices will change in the future, and you may see cheaper Z370 boards or even cheaper 8700Ks, so take this with a grain of salt. Also, if you care most about gaming performance, the new hexacore i5s bring quite a lot of performance per dollar, giving i7 gaming performance once again while costing much less.

[Jon Jon]

5 hours ago, Abhinavp said:

which one is better to buy keeping in productivity, gaming and streaming games performance in mind. also don't forget the overclocked performance and price........

  for me, i am going for a 1440p @ 144 to 165hz monitor and a gtx 1080.

For high FPS gaming, you want that higher IPC.

 

However, streaming and gaming requires more cores than anything else if you don't want frame dips.

 

I would say, if money is no object, the 8700K will serve you well.

 

If money is a concern, I can voice for the 1700 OC'ed.

 

The thing is a rock solid performer, and with a good cooler, doesn't get hot at all (the highest I've made this thing go is 71C, and that was after running Prime95 for 20 minutes).

[EliteDangerous]

Ryzen 7 1700 will be a bit worse, but comes with free cooler and you can OC it. Also, if you ever will want to upgrade your CPU, AM4 is most likely here to stay for a while, where Intel changes their sockets all the time, so you'll need new MB in the next upgrade. Quite a bummer.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

The 8700k destroys the 1800x in gaming and keeps pace in productivity applications, so go with that.

[andrewmp6]

If you can swing the cash go threadripper

 

[Ebony Falcon]

On 05/10/2017 at 3:59 PM, knightslugger said:

Ryzen 1700 for price to performance. it will chew 165 FPS at 1080p no problem and then you might be able to afford a 1080 ti.

I have a 1700 at 4ghz and it's no where near good enough for 165hz gaming 

apart from exports 

 

I also have a 8700k and the fps difference is quiet large 

 

I don't play ultra settings, I set them to the point of diminishing return 

which makes a great deal of a difference in gpu load and the 8700k really does pull ahead for me 

[Ebony Falcon]

And as far as productivity goes 

my 1700 only beats the 8700k in r15 (by 54 points multi) but in the actual programs I use the 8700k is faster

 

davinch resolve 

lightworks

handbreak

sonyvegas 14

obs 

 

and I'm talking like 20/25percent faster in rendering, apparently corse speed matters as well as count for rendering 

[Mace ya face]

UK/Europe/Brazil? RYZEN. Intel's pricing is a joke. Any where else in the world? 8700K.