How to Play PC games in 30 FPS

[Evolution.]

30 fps is playable in my standards because consoles... but console 30fps seems much smoother than PC 30 fps this is because they use some trick to manipulate your brain into thinking it's not delayed

If you play on pc and move the mouse you expect it to move instantly so that's why it seems more delayed on 30fps on console you have the Joysticks and motion blur which both cover that shit up.

so in order to make the 30fps experience better on pc play with controller and motion blur on also turn off msaa

[Crunchy Dragon]

Most games have a framerate cap that you can set it to. Also as I read in your forum signature, your PC should be capable of hitting 60fps, why aim for only 30?

[PlayStation 2]

Proper frame pacing is the trick.

If it's 30fps but frame times bounce all over the place, well it's not gonna look nice.

With a decent motion blur and post processing implementation and proper frame pacing, 30fps can look very clean and fluid.

[AlwaysFSX]

The reason 30 fps on console doesn't fuck with you like it does on PC is because of the input on an analog stick vs a mouse. You're waiting for the screen to move based on an amount of input, not because you're directing the change immediately through your mouse.

[Taja]

Well, 30 fps vs 30 fps is not always equal, because frametimes are very important. Consoles are so controlled that you will get the "perfect" 30 fps, and on a pc you will hardly get that (well, unless with freesync and gsync that I know of).

 

[Max_Settings]

Personally I thin console 30fps is just as unplayable as PC 30fps. I bought Destiny 1 for the Xbox one, and forgot that there was a 30fps cap. Played for less than 5min, couldn't stand it, and haven't played it since (this was over a year ago).

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

With a decent motion blur and post processing implementation and proper frame pacing, 30fps can look very clean and fluid.

A prime example is the Witcher 3. At 24fps, it looks smooth af compared to some games running in the 40s

[AshleyAshes]

22 minutes ago, tjcater said:

A prime example is the Witcher 3. At 24fps, it looks smooth af compared to some games running in the 40s

On a 60hz display, 24fps wouldn't look smooth at all...

[Guest]

1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said:

On a 60hz display, 24fps wouldn't look smooth at all...

I haven't noticed any real issues with it (With the Witcher 3 that is, other games typically behave closer to slideshows at that refresh rate for me). Realistically the frame rate is closer to 27Hz.

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, tjcater said:

I haven't noticed any real issues with it (With the Witcher 3 that is, other games typically behave closer to slideshows at that refresh rate for me). Realistically the frame rate is closer to 27Hz.

Do the math.  A 60hz display refreshes 60 times per second, exactly every 16.66ms.  If you're feeding it 24fps, 24 doesn't divide into 60 evenly.  If you feed it 30fps, it'll just repeat the frames for every two refresh cycles.  Effectively, each frame is on screen for exactly 33.33ms.  24fps, now you have to flip flop.  You don't use the same frame for two refresh cycles every time since 24 doesn't divide into 60.  You're going to display a frame for 2 refresh cycles, the next one for 3 cycles, then 2 cycles, 3 cycles, and so on.  a 3:2:3:2:3:3 pattern, repeating.  So frames are on screen for 33.33ms, 50ms, 33.33ms, 50ms, 33.33ms, and so on.  In short, something very not 'smooth'.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Proper frame pacing is the trick.

If it's 30fps but frame times bounce all over the place, well it's not gonna look nice.

With a decent motion blur and post processing implementation and proper frame pacing, 30fps can look very clean and fluid.

 

It's all about resolution.  If your FPS is 60 then it looks great on 1920 x 1080.  However, if you must settle for FPS 30, 1600 x 900 or lower looks good and puts less stress on the video card.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Do the math.  A 60hz display refreshes 60 times per second, exactly every 16.66ms.  If you're feeding it 24fps, 24 doesn't divide into 60 evenly.  If you feed it 30fps, it'll just repeat the frames for every two refresh cycles.  Effectively, each frame is on screen for exactly 33.33ms.  24fps, now you have to flip flop.  You don't use the same frame for two refresh cycles every time since 24 doesn't divide into 60.  You're going to display a frame for 2 refresh cycles, the next one for 3 cycles, then 2 cycles, 3 cycles, and so on.  a 3:2:3:2:3:3 pattern, repeating.  So frames are on screen for 33.33ms, 50ms, 33.33ms, 50ms, 33.33ms, and so on.  In short, something very not 'smooth'.

I'm not questioning that logic or anything as an even division would look better. My argument was that with motion blur and proper post-processing like in the Witcher 3, it can look far smoother than a game bouncing around the 40Hz range with no motion blur or post-processing. 2:1:2:1 pattern if a smooth 40Hz but anything else also has the same issue.

[Guest lilbman]

I'm pretty sure you can change your monitors refresh rate in the NVIDIA Control Panel, assuming you have a NVIDIA card, and then you can just turn on V-Sync.  That might work.

[Prox1ma]

I have tried playing Dead Space at 30 fps and the difference is very noticeable to the point its unplayable at times. I have tried with the Xbox Controller too, wasn't greatly impressed either. Unfortunately, unless I turn vsync on, the corpses in the game would fling around uncontrollably, and that scares the **** out of me

[kirashi]

4 hours ago, VenomZ_ said:

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so in order to make the 30fps experience better on pc play with controller and motion blur on also turn off msaa

I just play with Motion Blur, Bloom, Ambient Occlusion, and Depth of Field turned off in ALL games because I can't stand any of those effects. I haven't seen a motion blur implementation that looks good yet, don't need every light source to have fuzzy glowing edges, actually prefer harder lighting in most games, and want everything to be in focus all the time so I can see who's shooting me. Same goes for games with "color correction" - how does this even work, considering I haven't provided any monitor calibration details to the games config or settings?

 

However, these are just my preferences and I'm probably in the minority here, so play games how you wish so long as you enjoy them.

[KawaiiRaven]

Also in addition to what people said here, sometimes console games use motion blur in a way to simulate fast paced potion (like action movies) so it seems smoother 

[chilicheeseburger]

I've gotten so used to 60fps that 30fps really just doesn't feel right anymore.

[-TesseracT-]

10 hours ago, VenomZ_ said:

turn off msaa

Why exactly? Do you want your games to look like a jagged mess? 

 

10 hours ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Proper frame pacing is the trick.

If it's 30fps but frame times bounce all over the place, well it's not gonna look nice.

With a decent motion blur and post processing implementation and proper frame pacing, 30fps can look very clean and fluid.

Look? Maybe. Feel? No way. 

 

9 hours ago, tjcater said:

A prime example is the Witcher 3. At 24fps, it looks smooth af compared to some games running in the 40s

Why 24fps exactly? is it because of the "cinematic look"

 

9 hours ago, Crusher Golfer said:

 

It's all about resolution.  If your FPS is 60 then it looks great on 1920 x 1080.  However, if you must settle for FPS 30, 1600 x 900 or lower looks good and puts less stress on the video card.

Exactly what is all about resolution, and what do you mean?

 

10 hours ago, Taja said:

Well, 30 fps vs 30 fps is not always equal, because frametimes are very important. Consoles are so controlled that you will get the "perfect" 30 fps, and on a pc you will hardly get that (well, unless with freesync and gsync that I know of).

 

You will get it if you enable v-sync, which many console games uses. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, -TesseracT- said:

Why 24fps exactly? is it because of the "cinematic look"

That was the low point that my GPU would achieve in crowded areas at Ultra. No real reason beyond that.

[PlayStation 2]

1 hour ago, -TesseracT- said:

Look? Maybe. Feel? No way. 

Reading's hard, isn't it.

[-TesseracT-]

1 minute ago, Dan Castellaneta said:

Reading's hard, isn't it.

Yep, sometimes. Although, I did not point out that you ever said in your post that it felt good. 

[Sauron]

Artificial motion blur looks like garbage in my opinion. Using vsync solves 99% of the fluidity problems you might have at low framerates. There's not much you can do about frame pacing but generally at 30 fps with vsync it's not very noticeable.

[ivan134]

A thread about a race to bottom. Wow

[IrshaadH]

how do you get proper frame pacing on PC?  I find that even at a locked 60 with V-Sync, some games feel choppy because frame times keep bouncing between 12ms and 20ms rather than staying at a consistent 16.66

[RedSoap]

On 06/10/2017 at 2:31 AM, IrshaadH said:

how do you get proper frame pacing on PC?  I find that even at a locked 60 with V-Sync, some games feel choppy because frame times keep bouncing between 12ms and 20ms rather than staying at a consistent 16.66

You can get proper frame pacing on PC. Just use msi rivatuner to cap your game fps at 30 or 60. Dont use in game fps cap. Then add in vsync and motion blur. Believe me its smoooooooothhhhh. Apply motion blur if u cap at 30 only. 60 fps dont need motion blur.

Edited February 20, 2018 by RedSoap