General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[assblaster541]

3 hours ago, MaratM said:

Updating bios might help

thats what I think I need to do but I dont know what bios to update to.

[MaratM]

1 hour ago, assblaster541 said:

thats what I think I need to do but I dont know what bios to update to.

Put your old cpu into the socket. Start you pc. Go to asus website and download the latest bios for you mobo, copy it to a thumb drive and go to bios, use bios utility flash tool and get it updated. Do not at any means switch off or restart your pc while it is updating. It will do it all on its own. 

[assblaster541]

8 hours ago, MaratM said:

Put your old cpu into the socket. Start you pc. Go to asus website and download the latest bios for you mobo, copy it to a thumb drive and go to bios, use bios utility flash tool and get it updated. Do not at any means switch off or restart your pc while it is updating. It will do it all on its own. 

And this is where im having problems the asus website only has bios for I7's with my mobo and no bios for xeons

[MaratM]

1 hour ago, assblaster541 said:

And this is where im having problems the asus website only has bios for I7's with my mobo and no bios for xeons

It is the same bios, if it works it works if it does not it will not do any harm 

[seagate_surfer]

14 minutes ago, MaratM said:

It is the same bios, if it works it works if it does not it will not do any harm 

Yep! An update in your BIOS will do more good than bad unless interrupted in the middle of the update...

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, seagate_surfer said:

Yep! An update in your BIOS will do more good than bad unless interrupted in the middle of the update...

^ At the very least it guarantees you have all the latest fixes and support for different architectures, giving you the best chance for a given CPU to work. A lot of these mobos came out before Westmere-EP, you need to be on a BIOS version that supports that and they wouldn't have shipped with it. 

[the pudding]

Always best to update the bios, a fair few of the people selling these nowadays would have just had a 45nm thing in it and just selling on because it's not as fast for them as it used to be, that's how i got most of my previous X58 boards cheap is just because they upgraded instead of even thinking about upgrading it so in those cases the bioses were never updated, but then they usually sell it with the cpu so updating it is never a difficult thing to do and all, unless the power goes out in the process as mentioned above 

[Slayer3032]

On 10/23/2019 at 10:44 AM, assblaster541 said:

And this is where im having problems the asus website only has bios for I7's with my mobo and no bios for xeons

Toss the bios file into intelmicrocodelist, if it has 206C2 in it with a microcode revision newer than 0F such as 13 or 1D then you're good to go. 0F works but you won't be able to change your uncore multiplier or it won't POST.

 

If it has support for i7 970/980x/990x you'll also likely be fine unless you have one of the boards which Xeons just don't work with, which aren't really that common and generally are the earlier EVGA boards.

 

I experience stability issues with the 1E/newer spectre microcodes, Windows automatically forces them on you and I have to remove the dll from Windows 10 just so my overclock is stable. So I wouldn't always say a bios update is an improvement, the latest "beta" bios is also horribly unstable even when using the same microcode as my older, patched bios.

[snorlaxgangs]

Could anyone show me how to use blender to stress both cpu and gpu for 8-12 hours please?  

[Zando_]

28 minutes ago, snorlaxgangs said:

Could anyone show me how to use blender to stress both cpu and gpu for 8-12 hours please?  

No idea how to do that. I think some versions of Blender might be able to use both the CPU and GPU at the same time? You'd probably be best doing a render on one or the other. Or Prime95 (use blend, small FTT is for 10 minute temp runs, not stress testing) on the CPU and a blender render or furmark (this is mostly hard on the power delivery though, but it also puts the card under incredibly high load so it'll usually expose any instabilities) on the GPU. 

[the pudding]

33 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

No idea how to do that. I think some versions of Blender might be able to use both the CPU and GPU at the same time? You'd probably be best doing a render on one or the other. Or Prime95 (use blend, small FTT is for 10 minute temp runs, not stress testing) on the CPU and a blender render or furmark (this is mostly hard on the power delivery though, but it also puts the card under incredibly high load so it'll usually expose any instabilities) on the GPU. 

Can't most gpu drivers detect furmark/mark it as a power virus and throttle it back to protect the VRM?

[Windows7ge]

An update related to my previous post. I have pushed the 5960X to 4.5GHz @1.325V at this point I hit the temperature limit where I can't go any higher without overheating. This is with a Corsair H100i w/ 4 Noctua NF-F12's, a fan pointed right on the CPU/VRMs and everything on an open testbed (all fans 100%).

 

Now all I can do it lower the temperature of the room which did wonders for it. With a room temperature of 12.4C(54F) the temps dropped quite a bit:

Most cores maxing out in the 50C's with a strange core or two in the 60C's. What's troublesome is when I set this up initially all of the cores were sitting pretty in the mid 50C with a higher room temperature too so I don't know what is wrong. Why I have a near 20C difference between cores at times. I'm wondering if because of the room temp drop if the screws need to be tightened a little more. Not sure. Either way this makes more overclocking very tempting. The room is only going to get even colder once snow starts flying.

 

So far this rig has been running for over 3 days strait full load and has not crashed so I have pretty good confidence in the stability of the overclock thus far.

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

So far this rig has been running for over 3 days strait full load and has not crashed so I have pretty good confidence in the stability of the overclock thus far.

You do love to see it.

 

I'm entertaining the idea of going Threadripper for my next PC and loading Linux onto it.

[Windows7ge]

43 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'm entertaining the idea of going Threadripper for my next PC and loading Linux onto it.

Way ahead of ya. Got a 1950X and I'm running Ubuntu 19.04. Plan to explore 19.10 but BOINC takes priority and 19.04 didn't have a driver for the GPU that BOINC recognized requiring me to download one (which has its own problems) so I don't have great confidence in 19.10. I have heard they've addressed a lot of problems 19.04 has though so if I can get BOINC working I'll look forward to that.

[Crunchy Dragon]

41 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

Way ahead of ya.

Naturally

 

I still plan to replace my 5820K with a 5960X or even a 6950X down the road.

[Zando_]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Naturally

 

I still plan to replace my 5820K with a 5960X or even a 6950X down the road.

I'm getting the rig up and running with a 5960X tonight, can let you know exactly how that goes lol. Just have to figure out where to mount the pump in my evolv ATX so I can still use 2 of my HDD slots because I may add some back for mass storage.... 

[Windows7ge]

2 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Naturally

 

I still plan to replace my 5820K with a 5960X or even a 6950X down the road.

I'm not sure what more comes with the 6950X. Slightly higher base clock? A die shrink? I could look this up but little buy right now.

[Zando_]

28 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I'm not sure what more comes with the 6950X. Slightly higher base clock? A die shrink? I could look this up but little buy right now.

2c/4t. 5960X is Haswell-E (22nm), 8c/16t. 6950X is Broadwell-E (14nm), 10c/20t. It's the best in socket i7, though there are higher core count Xeons (up to 22c/44t on LGA2011-3 AFAIK) available if you don't need/want to OC. 

[Windows7ge]

42 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

2c/4t. 5960X is Haswell-E (22nm), 8c/16t. 6950X is Broadwell-E (14nm), 10c/20t. It's the best in socket i7, though there are higher core count Xeons (up to 22c/44t on LGA2011-3 AFAIK) available if you don't need/want to OC. 

Ah so Intel did do a core bump with the 5960X -> 6950X. I wish they did that with the 3960X -> 4960X. I'm all about the Xeons. I can back your AFAIK with 22C/44T being the current maximum for socket LGA2011-V3.

 

I probably could have gotten my hands on a used pair of 18C/36T Xeons but my OCD really likes how computers use 2^2 for everything so I went with 2x16C/32T for that exact reason. Stupid reason but I really don't even need two 16 cores for my applications so I let them run BOINC/WCG.

[Zando_]

10 hours ago, Windows7ge said:

Ah so Intel did do a core bump with the 5960X -> 6950X. I wish they did that with the 3960X -> 4960X. I'm all about the Xeons. I can back your AFAIK with 22C/44T being the current maximum for socket LGA2011-V3.

 

I probably could have gotten my hands on a used pair of 18C/36T Xeons but my OCD really likes how computers use 2^2 for everything so I went with 2x16C/32T for that exact reason. Stupid reason but I really don't even need two 16 cores for my applications so I let them run BOINC/WCG.

Oooooo. Only 2011-3 Xeon I have right now is an E5 4610 v3, 10c/20t locked at 1.7Ghz lol. May get a 12 core soonish, though for what I'm running (folding) high core count isn't that big of a need, so I could swap in my 5820K instead. 

Also on the main rig, progress as of last night (oof lighting tho):

 

So far today I've got one line started (loops through the back of the case and around to the pump) and the PSU in, time to manage all the 12 bazillion cables because I decided to stuff a shit ton more stuff in here than is reasonable. Will be interesting seeing how cooling is with a 5960X and RVII on a single 360mm slim rad though... 

[Windows7ge]

21 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Oooooo. Only 2011-3 Xeon I have right now is an E5 4610 v3, 10c/20t locked at 1.7Ghz lol. May get a 12 core soonish, though for what I'm running (folding) high core count isn't that big of a need, so I could swap in my 5820K instead. 

They're the Intel Xeon E5-2698v3. I also have a pair of E5-2670v1's in another server (my VM server). Which I also have BOINC crunching when I don't need it. These things are great. I'm waiting for the cold weather to really set it so I can crank em up and see just how much crunching they can do per day.

 

I'm also waiting on a mod from the Folding sub-forum to notice my post as I'm eligible for the Silver BOINC Team contributor badge.

[GrockleTD]

i require desperate assistance, my X58 system is not posting. things i have tried include: clearing CMOS, swapping GPU's and swapping memory. the issues arose after changing the cooler

 

EDIT: i will update this post if i find more information and as i try other things

[UrbanFreestyle]

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Most cores maxing out in the 50C's with a strange core or two in the 60C's. What's troublesome is when I set this up initially all of the cores were sitting pretty in the mid 50C with a higher room temperature too so I don't know what is wrong. Why I have a near 20C difference between cores at times. I'm wondering if because of the room temp drop if the screws need to be tightened a little more. Not sure. Either way this makes more overclocking very tempting. The room is only going to get even colder once snow starts flying.

@Windows7ge

Have you considdered lapping the cpu and block?

[MaratM]

7 hours ago, GrockleTD said:

i require desperate assistance, my X58 system is not posting. things i have tried include: clearing CMOS, swapping GPU's and swapping memory. the issues arose after changing the cooler

 

EDIT: i will update this post if i find more information and as i try other things

Possible to forget to plug back 8 pin eps cable?

[Windows7ge]

4 hours ago, UrbanFreestyle said:

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Most cores maxing out in the 50C's with a strange core or two in the 60C's. What's troublesome is when I set this up initially all of the cores were sitting pretty in the mid 50C with a higher room temperature too so I don't know what is wrong. Why I have a near 20C difference between cores at times. I'm wondering if because of the room temp drop if the screws need to be tightened a little more. Not sure. Either way this makes more overclocking very tempting. The room is only going to get even colder once snow starts flying.

@Windows7ge

Have you considdered lapping the cpu and block?

I'd rather not permanently modify a $1,100 CPU. Also I think it'd be kind of hard to lap a H100i with the plastic shell going around the outer edge.