General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Troika]

27 minutes ago, the pudding said:

Yeah the MSI boards are historically a bit of a pain to work with if using xeons, I've run into that issue before, I just ended up selling the board and getting another one so im not sure how you'd go about fixing it really, I think it was a rampage 2 gene I moved to but this was a while ago so I'm not too sure.

I got that board and a Rampage III Formula in part trade for a custom laptop at the beginning of the year. I had sold the Asus board because I believed the Big Bang Xpower was the superior board even though it wouldn't post with a X5675 (which was sold with the Asus board). I kept it to build my X58 system around it, I might just have to go with a i7 970 or better if I want a 6c/12t system for the sake of ease. I just with 980X and 990X chips weren't so expensive.

 

1 hour ago, Slayer3032 said:

Earlier microcodes won't post if you change the uncore on Westmeres, no idea if Gulftown is the same but they do use the same microcode AFAIK.

 

You might have to patch a newer microcode into an earlier bios if they decided to just disable it on later revisions.

I saw references of this in some forums questioning the issues of running Xeons in a X58 Big Bang Xpower.

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, Troika said:

I got that board and a Rampage III Formula in part trade for a custom laptop at the beginning of the year. I had sold the Asus board because I believed the Big Bang Xpower was the superior board even though it wouldn't post with a X5675 (which was sold with the Asus board). I kept it to build my X58 system around it, I might just have to go with a i7 970 or better if I want a 6c/12t system for the sake of ease. I just with 980X and 990X chips weren't so expensive.

  

I saw references of this in some forums questioning the issues of running Xeons in a X58 Big Bang Xpower.

ahh that'd do it, in some ways the big bang is superior, unfortunately xeon support isn't one of them  if you can get the 970 cheap it'd be a good move, they have a fairly high multi too so you won't have to push the board too hard with that either so that's always good, though the i7 won't be as well binned most likely but you should be able to get 4.3-4.4 easy enough or maybe 4.5 if you're lucky but i wish you luck with all of the clocky stuff in any case

 

yeah, the msi boards in general are hit and miss with running xeons unfortunately  

[Troika]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

With that said if you're running less than 1600MHz on the ram you should be able to just run uncore at the stock 2x without any issues, what's your uncore voltage at? (i forget what the uncore voltage is called on msi boards sorry, I've mainly always used asus boards so it'd be "QPI/DRAM core" on an asus board)

I'm using the voltages that Brian recommends using for overclocking for 4ghz to 4.2ghz. CPU 1.3V, CPU PLL 1.84V, QPI 1.25V and IOH 1.12V. According to Brian, the QPI voltage is also for the uncore. The ram I'm using is rated for 1333mhz but I don't want to push that too hard because it is mixed ram from Micron and Samsung and I have no replacements if I blow something. I'd rather run conservatively and keep them underclocked. I do have a fan that is blowing air across the dimms directly from the top of the case but again, I don't know the quality of the dram used there. Once I have the ability to purchase some better quality dimms, I'll be able to comfortably push them harder while pushing up the uncore without much of an issue with the ram becoming a point of instability.

[Troika]

2 minutes ago, the pudding said:

ahh that'd do it, in some ways the big bang is superior, unfortunately xeon support isn't one of them  if you can get the 970 cheap it'd be a good move, they have a fairly high multi too so you won't have to push the board too hard with that either so that's always good, though the i7 won't be as well binned most likely but you should be able to get 4.3-4.4 easy enough or maybe 4.5 if you're lucky but i wish you luck with all of the clocky stuff in any case

 

yeah, the msi boards in general are hit and miss with running xeons unfortunately  

Yeah, i7 970s are around $55, $10 more than a Xeon X5680. With the higher multiplier, I'll easily be able to hit 4ghz+. I've got a big thermalright cooler that Zando gave me in the trade. With the two 120mm corsair fans I zip tied to it, it's running both cool and quiet.

[Troika]

I'd also like to think I've gotten better at cable management too. I just wish I ran the PCI-e power connector through the same hole as the 24 pin motherboard connector. I can change it later anyways so no big deal.

[the pudding]

Just now, Troika said:

I'm using the voltages that Brian recommends using for overclocking for 4ghz to 4.2ghz. CPU 1.3V, CPU PLL 1.84V, QPI 1.25V and IOH 1.12V. According to Brian, the QPI voltage is also for the uncore. The ram I'm using is rated for 1333mhz but I don't want to push that too hard because it is mixed ram from Micron and Samsung and I have no replacements if I blow something. I'd rather run conservatively and keep them underclocked. I do have a fan that is blowing air across the dimms directly from the top of the case but again, I don't know the quality of the dram used there. Once I have the ability to purchase some better quality dimms, I'll be able to comfortably push them harder while pushing up the uncore without much of an issue with the ram becoming a point of instability.

ahh yeah, in that case you have some headroom for voltage on the uncore then, you're safe to about 1.35v on uncore if memory serves me correctly, but your ram is likely holding you back here i'd reckon, I could never push my 1333MHz sticks to even 1400 without instability before I upgraded, on the subject of ram, pop 14900E into ebay and you'll find some nice ecc stuff rated for 1866MHz and it's cheap too! i've got 6x4gb of this stuff for my R3G and it's really good stuff

[the pudding]

3 minutes ago, Troika said:

Yeah, i7 970s are around $55, $10 more than a Xeon X5680. With the higher multiplier, I'll easily be able to hit 4ghz+. I've got a big thermalright cooler that Zando gave me in the trade. With the two 120mm corsair fans I zip tied to it, it's running both cool and quiet.

ooooooo that's pretty! I'm not running a case currently but since you showed me yours i'll show you mine

[the pudding]

[Troika]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

ahh yeah, in that case you have some headroom for voltage on the uncore then, you're safe to about 1.35v on uncore if memory serves me correctly, but your ram is likely holding you back here i'd reckon, I could never push my 1333MHz sticks to even 1400 without instability before I upgraded, on the subject of ram, pop 14900E into ebay and you'll find some nice ecc stuff rated for 1866MHz and it's cheap too! i've got 6x4gb of this stuff for my R3G and it's really good stuff

Actually, I'm aiming for 3 2x4GB kits of G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 2400. They're $45 new and I know I don't need them but I like having no upper limit restriction and they look nice since they're also blue.

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, Troika said:

Actually, I'm aiming for 3 2x4GB kits of G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 2400. They're $45 new and I know I don't need them but I like having no upper limit restriction and they look nice since they're also blue.

oooooooo that's pretty good actually, good plan

[Troika]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

Now THAT'S a heatsink! Big ol chonky boi. It makes that board look like an ITX board

I really need to pick up a 1600w psu, I'm gonna need one if I'm planning on tri-crossfire or quadfire/quad-sli

[the pudding]

Just now, Troika said:

Now THAT'S a heatsink! Big ol chonky boi. It makes that board look like an ITX board

I really need to pick up a 1600w psu, I'm gonna need one if I'm planning on tri-crossfire or quadfire/quad-sli

does a good job though  was testing one of those ic graphite pads, did 10 mins of OCCT at 1.56v and it never went above 85c with either of them even at 1.56v, chonky, but chonky with good reason  

 

honestly i wouldn't recommend it XD they're big, clumsy and honestly limiting case wise, but if you do grab one i can't recommend the EVGA 1600 G2 enough, been a really solid unit for me and the 10 year warranty is great, and just to show that i have in fact used this psu to it's full potential have this, my old X58A-OC, X5670 at 4.5GHz and trifire R9 290s

[Troika]

1 minute ago, the pudding said:

does a good job though  was testing one of those ic graphite pads, did 10 mins of OCCT at 1.56v and it never went above 85c with either of them even at 1.56v, chonky, but chonky with good reason  

 

honestly i wouldn't recommend it XD they're big, clumsy and honestly limiting case wise, but if you do grab one i can't recommend the EVGA 1600 G2 enough, been a really solid unit for me and the 10 year warranty is great, and just to show that i have in fact used this psu to it's full potential have this, my old X58A-OC, X5670 at 4.5GHz and trifire R9 290s

Very nice~ I had a EVGA 1000w G2, I regret selling it a few years ago. I'm running a Corsair RMx 1000w that I picked up second hand because it wasn't very old (one owner and proved it with the invoice). It was 6 months old when I got it and I've ran it for another year and a half, most of which it spent powering my 1090T build with two GTX 780s in sli, all of which was overclocked and was pulling around 1150w at peak. I didn't find that out until I did the math before I moved to my i5 6600k rig. ^^;

[the pudding]

1 minute ago, Troika said:

Very nice~ I had a EVGA 1000w G2, I regret selling it a few years ago. I'm running a Corsair RMx 1000w that I picked up second hand because it wasn't very old (one owner and proved it with the invoice). It was 6 months old when I got it and I've ran it for another year and a half, most of which it spent powering my 1090T build with two GTX 780s in sli, all of which was overclocked and was pulling around 1150w at peak. I didn't find that out until I did the math before I moved to my i5 6600k rig. ^^;

really can't go wrong with the evga G2 units really, mostly made by superflower iirc, even if i weren't doing silly stuff with hardware i'd still have gotten it probably 'rather have it and not need than need it and not have it' and all, but in fairness i've pulled over 1kw with this system even with one gpu, 4.6GHz on the cpu with 1.56v and then a 142% power limit on the vega and a very strong overclock on that, pulled about 1075w from the wall if memory serves 

 

[Slayer3032]

1 hour ago, Troika said:

I'm using the voltages that Brian recommends using for overclocking for 4ghz to 4.2ghz. CPU 1.3V, CPU PLL 1.84V, QPI 1.25V and IOH 1.12V. According to Brian, the QPI voltage is also for the uncore. The ram I'm using is rated for 1333mhz but I don't want to push that too hard because it is mixed ram from Micron and Samsung and I have no replacements if I blow something. I'd rather run conservatively and keep them underclocked. I do have a fan that is blowing air across the dimms directly from the top of the case but again, I don't know the quality of the dram used there. Once I have the ability to purchase some better quality dimms, I'll be able to comfortably push them harder while pushing up the uncore without much of an issue with the ram becoming a point of instability.

I would go straight to 1.35v on the QPI/VTT/Uncore/IMC, you generally need that much for 3ghz+ on the uncore along with all the dimms filled.

[Troika]

1 hour ago, Slayer3032 said:

I would go straight to 1.35v on the QPI/VTT/Uncore/IMC, you generally need that much for 3ghz+ on the uncore along with all the dimms filled.

I'll try that when I get the chance, for some reason, my fresh windows 7 installation somehow just got borked and won't boot. Its just hangs at the windows loading splash screen.

[Slayer3032]

17 hours ago, Troika said:

I'll try that when I get the chance, for some reason, my fresh windows 7 installation somehow just got borked and won't boot. Its just hangs at the windows loading splash screen.

I had nothing but issues with Windows 7 on this build, I had far far less issues with Vista actually. I had to format at least 50 times. Everything from the audio service permanently breaking after getting stuck in a feedback look of devices connecting/disconnecting due to my Antec 900's terrible front panel to issues like that.

 

I refuse to give my OS more than a 50-60gb partition and refuse leave any sort of program or important data on it since like the ability to reformat on a whim and be back up using my computer like normal in less than 20 mins. Windows 8 was even worse for me functionally and the entire desktop environment would crash and force me to force restart. Windows 10 however, I've never had a single issue requiring a format nor anything that I'd even describe as broken. At least on my X58 builds, my LGA775 stuff has had constant issues with Windows update until 1809/1903.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Slayer3032 said:

I had nothing but issues with Windows 7 on this build, I had far far less issues with Vista actually. I had to format at least 50 times. Everything from the audio service permanently breaking after getting stuck in a feedback look of devices connecting/disconnecting due to my Antec 900's terrible front panel to issues like that.

 

I refuse to give my OS more than a 50-60gb partition and refuse leave any sort of program or important data on it since like the ability to reformat on a whim and be back up using my computer like normal in less than 20 mins. Windows 8 was even worse for me functionally and the entire desktop environment would crash and force me to force restart. Windows 10 however, I've never had a single issue requiring a format nor anything that I'd even describe as broken. At least on my X58 builds, my LGA775 stuff has had constant issues with Windows update until 1809/1903.

Windows 7 worked fine on my X58 rig with an i7 920 and 950, but I haven't tried it with a Xeon. Can back up Windows 10 working fine, haven't had any issues with it on X58 other than standard Windows 10 issues same as any other platform. 

[Slayer3032]

51 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Windows 7 worked fine on my X58 rig with an i7 920 and 950, but I haven't tried it with a Xeon. Can back up Windows 10 working fine, haven't had any issues with it on X58 other than standard Windows 10 issues same as any other platform. 

Yeah I don't know it was with my i7 930 too, I didn't upgrade to the Xeon until I was already on 10. I figured it was issues with my board since it's been through a hell of a lot over the years. I used Mint for a few years just to get away from it but when I got a R9 280(non-x) there were no functional AMD drivers for it and I had to use 10. 10 was also the first time my USB3 worked on the motherboard as well.

 

I'm generally walking murphy's law when it comes to software though, if something can have some sort of an obscure unfixable issue, I'm going to experience it and it's never going to be fixed.

[Zando_]

Just now, Slayer3032 said:

Yeah I don't know it was with my i7 930 too, I didn't upgrade to the Xeon until I was already on 10. I figured it was issues with my board since it's been through a hell of a lot over the years. I used Mint for a few years just to get away from it but when I got a R9 280(non-x) there were no functional AMD drivers for it and I had to use 10. 10 was also the first time my USB3 worked on the motherboard as well.

 

I'm generally walking murphy's law when it comes to software though, if something can have some sort of an obscure unfixable issue, I'm going to experience it and it's never going to be fixed.

Oof. It shouldn't be the board in this case though. I'm the one who sold it to Troika, I got it in a rig from my uncle running an i7 950, two 5770s, 6GB triple channel DDR3, and Windows 7. Had no issues other than being dusty inside and too slow for his work (he's a stock broker or something IIRC, drives 4+ 4K monitors and needs a powerful PC because he's heavily multitasking). I cleaned it up fine and IIRC got it to boot with the X5650 at 4-4.2Ghz or so, but that's so long ago that I forget what settings I ran. 

[the pudding]

welp, few days without internet buy my X5670s rolled up, one didn't work at all but the other pumped this out, and yes that is the stable load voltage  : 

 

Quite the upgrade going from an X5660 at 4.2GHz with 1.375v to an X5670 at 4.5GHz 1.32v

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 8/13/2019 at 11:09 AM, Zando Bob said:

5960X

 

[LukeSavenije]

here you have some 1366 noods

(those CPUs aren't in that server, they have x5650's)

[the pudding]

i didn't think you were allowed to post porn here  

[LukeSavenije]

12 minutes ago, the pudding said:

i didn't think you were allowed to post porn here  

oh, I'm not?

 

what do i do with this then?