General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[r2724r16]

 

Almost done building my X58 rig. Just need a graphics card (it'll most likely be a STRIX GTX 770).

 

Also, I'm having a ton of trouble getting the motherboard aligned with the case standoffs when the I/O plate is installed. Hence, it's not installed atm.

[Intelfreak]

I am curious to know how hot others CPU are at full load and is it running stock or overclock overclock and cooling type used.

 

My I7 980X runs 4.4 GHz but its not the greates overclocker as it needs 1.41 volts for that.

My cooling setup is air with a Noctua NH-D14 with 3 x noctua nf-f12 ippc-3000 pwm fans and thermal grizzly kryonaut cooling paste.

Its because i am thinking on if i shut move over to water cooling or keep my current cooling setup and maybe try to spank some higher clocks out of my old CPU.

 

[Zando_]

My max temps are about 73C after 8+ hours of 100% load in AIDA64 or Prime95. X5670 at 4.57Ghz, on 1.45v IIRC. 100% stable so far though (in CB20 too, I can push 4.74Ghz or so with a bit more voltage and it's stable in CB15 but CB20 crashes). 

 

Here's my setup rn:

 

360mm slim rad with 2000rpm Noctua iPPC fans, Heatkiller IV CPU block. Have another Noctua over the VRM heatsink as you can see, and a random one on the northbridge heatsink, have 3 40x15mm Noctuas coming for that and the VRMs. 

[bimmerman]

I actually have data! These are what I could pull from old posts, so they are not current.

 

System stats at time of testing:

X5675

24GB of ram at 8x multiplier IIRC

240mm AIO -- Cooler Master

Gigabyte UD3R

R9 290 for first two, 1080ti for last.

Coolermaster HAF-932 Case

Coolermaster 850W

 

Testing constraints: QPI_VTT never exceeded 1.35 V, CPU Vcore < 1.4V

 

Datapoint 1: 4.7 GHz (23x205), 1.39 V, T_max of 68 C

 

Datapoint 2: 4.6 GHz (23x200), 1.328 V, T_max of 62 C (firestrike not cinebench though)

 

Datapoint 3: 4.51 GHz (21x215), 1.328 V. This has the 1080ti installed but I think is before I installed the NVMe 950 Pro and Windows 10. Apparently I didn't take temp readings. This is the GHz setting I normally use.

 

My chip could probably do higher GHz if I wanted to throw more volts, it definitely isn't temp limited. While the above temps aren't long term stress tests, they are from multiple back to back runs and fiddling, so I would expect the AIO fluid is as nice and toasty as it'll get.

[Intelfreak]

7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

My max temps are about 73C after 8+ hours of 100% load in AIDA64 or Prime95. X5670 at 4.57Ghz, on 1.45v IIRC. 100% stable so far though (in CB20 too, I can push 4.74Ghz or so with a bit more voltage and it's stable in CB15 but CB20 crashes). 

 

Here's my setup rn:

 

360mm slim rad with 2000rpm Noctua iPPC fans, Heatkiller IV CPU block. Have another Noctua over the VRM heatsink as you can see, and a random one on the northbridge heatsink, have 3 40x15mm Noctuas coming for that and the VRMs. 

I have also been running my CPU above 4.7 GHz air cooled, but i can say for sure it is also burning hot at those clocks and volts.

 

Looks like if i go water cooling, i can push some more out of my CPU then. Good to know.

 

Yes good idea with fan on the VRM´s and heatsink. Also because since you run water cooling, there are now airflow else around the VRM and heatsink. Also X58 chipsæt is know for being hot when it gets overclock to high clocks. I as well put some fans on the heat sink.

 

This is my current rig and some benchmarks.

https://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

https://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

 

 

[Intelfreak]

14 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

I actually have data! These are what I could pull from old posts, so they are not current.

 

System stats at time of testing:

X5675

24GB of ram at 8x multiplier IIRC

240mm AIO -- Cooler Master

Gigabyte UD3R

R9 290 for first two, 1080ti for last.

Coolermaster HAF-932 Case

Coolermaster 850W

 

Testing constraints: QPI_VTT never exceeded 1.35 V, CPU Vcore < 1.4V

 

Datapoint 1: 4.7 GHz (23x205), 1.39 V, T_max of 68 C

 

Datapoint 2: 4.6 GHz (23x200), 1.328 V, T_max of 62 C (firestrike not cinebench though)

 

Datapoint 3: 4.51 GHz (21x215), 1.328 V. This has the 1080ti installed but I think is before I installed the NVMe 950 Pro and Windows 10. Apparently I didn't take temp readings. This is the GHz setting I normally use.

 

My chip could probably do higher GHz if I wanted to throw more volts, it definitely isn't temp limited. While the above temps aren't long term stress tests, they are from multiple back to back runs and fiddling, so I would expect the AIO fluid is as nice and toasty as it'll get.

Nice scores and temp. Looks like you got one of the good Xeons.I can push my CPU to those clock to, but it needs way higher voltage to do 4.7 GHz. Lets just say at 4.7 GHz my CPU whas on the brink to thermal throttle.

 

To a comparison here are some of my scores.

 

CPU only ran 4.25 GHz here, because this whas before i replaced the cpu coolers stock fans.

 

Here with CPU at 4.7 GHz and GPU overclock to the limit just before it will crash.

[Zando_]

30 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

I have also been running my CPU above 4.7 GHz air cooled, but i can say for sure it is also burning hot at those clocks and volts.

 

Looks like if i go water cooling, i can push some more out of my CPU then. Good to know.

 

Yes good idea with fan on the VRM´s and heatsink. Also because since you run water cooling, there are now airflow else around the VRM and heatsink. Also X58 chipsæt is know for being hot when it gets overclock to high clocks. I as well put some fans on the heat sink.

 

This is my current rig and some benchmarks.

https://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

https://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

 

 

Yeah the northbridges can get pretty toasty, though the hottest I've seen any of the components get according to HWmonitor is 62C. Pumping gnarly voltages through everything too. 

[Intelfreak]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah the northbridges can get pretty toasty, though the hottest I've seen any of the components get according to HWmonitor is 62C. Pumping gnarly voltages through everything too. 

The heat sink on my motherboard is also pretty good, but the summers where i live can get pretty hot and temperature around 30 degree celsius or 86 degree fahrenheit is not a rare thing. And before i mounted the fans (stock northbridge heatsink is passive cooled from factory), i saw temp up to around 75 degree celsius on the northbridge heatsink, so i had to do some thing. To a comparison here in the colder winter northbridge heatsink stayes around between 40 and 50 degree celsius with fans turned of. While in the summer with fans on temp dropped 15 degree celsius at lowest fan speed. At max fan speed temp can drop 10 degree celsius more if needed.

[Zando_]

6 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

The heat sink on my motherboard is also pretty good, but the summers where i live can get pretty hot and temperature around 30 degree celsius or 86 degree fahrenheit is not a rare thing. And before i mounted the fans (stock northbridge heatsink is passive cooled from factory), i saw temp up to around 75 degree celsius on the northbridge heatsink, so i had to do some thing. To a comparison here in the colder winter northbridge heatsink stayes around between 40 and 50 degree celsius with fans turned of. While in the summer with fans on temp dropped 15 degree celsius at lowest fan speed. At max fan speed temp can drop 10 degree celsius more if needed.

Yeah, I can max the fans to drop temps a bit as well but then my rig goes from loud to full jet engine mode, lol. Planning to run them all off my fan controller in the future, have a basic 4 fan one. Gonna see if it can handle 40mm fans on a splitter then run them all off that, it has dials so I can set them to a constant RPM that's as high as it goes without being annoyingly loud. Mobo fan controls don't seem to do much at all. 

[Overl0rd]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

My max temps are about 73C after 8+ hours of 100% load in AIDA64 or Prime95. X5670 at 4.57Ghz, on 1.45v IIRC. 100% stable so far though (in CB20 too, I can push 4.74Ghz or so with a bit more voltage and it's stable in CB15 but CB20 crashes). 

Very nice to see a Classy 4-Way again, don't come acress them often nowadays. I regret selling mine, was a sweet combo with a 980X at 4.3GHz 1.375V and DDR3 2000 Dominators though my cooling setup was way inferior to your custom loop lol. The only let down for me was the lack of SATA 3.

 

[Intelfreak]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yeah, I can max the fans to drop temps a bit as well but then my rig goes from loud to full jet engine mode, lol. Planning to run them all off my fan controller in the future, have a basic 4 fan one. Gonna see if it can handle 40mm fans on a splitter then run them all off that, it has dials so I can set them to a constant RPM that's as high as it goes without being annoyingly loud. Mobo fan controls don't seem to do much at all. 

Yeah motherboard fan control sucks at times. Thats why i have two fan controller in my setup. The top controller is a PWM controller with software so i can make fan curves and it works great and controls case and CPU cooler fans, while the controller below takes care of the northbridge heatsink and the two fans next to GPU and is voltage controlled.

 

Yeah i know what you mean with noise. The black 40 MM fans i have runs at around 1800-1900 RPM at the lowest and at max around 4300 RPM while the 60 MM noctua fans runs at 1400 RPM at low and at max around 3000 RPM.

 

From what i have learned about fan control with Voltage and PWM. There is no douts that PWM is far better and more precise. So if you are gonna get a new controller, get one with PWM and that has software control. It is so much better. My next PC will be fully PWM controlled.

 

 

[Zando_]

6 minutes ago, Overl0rd said:

Very nice to see a Classy 4-Way again, don't come acress them often nowadays. I regret selling mine, was a sweet combo with a 980X at 4.3GHz 1.375V and DDR3 2000 Dominators though my cooling setup was way inferior to your custom loop lol. The only let down for me was the lack of SATA 3.

Nice! Mine was still brand new too, didn't have the box or anything but the board itself had never been used. Had to do the Westmere-EP mod since it's a V1.0, but it's a beast. I have a 3 way I got for $89 with an i7 920, that's also a V1.0 and I need to mod that too. And oooo Dominators, they're some of the coolest looking RAM out there. I have 3x8GB HyperX Savage in red (overpaid for the third DIMM so it'd match my other two, lol) at about 2050Mhz 10-11-11-30, haven't been able to cut timings lower. They're 1600Mhz 9-9-9-24 DIMMs IIRC. 

 

4 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

Yeah motherboard fan control sucks at times. Thats why i have two fan controller in my setup. The top controller is a PWM controller with software so i can make fan curves and it works great and controls case and CPU cooler fans, while the controller below takes care of the northbridge heatsink and the two fans next to GPU and is voltage controlled.

 

Yeah i know what you mean with noise. The black 40 MM fans i have runs at around 1800-1900 RPM at the lowest and at max around 4300 RPM while the 60 MM noctua fans runs at 1400 RPM at low and at max around 3000 RPM.

 

From what i have learned about fan control with Voltage and PWM. There is no douts that PWM is far better and more precise. So if you are gonna get a new controller, get one with PWM and that has software control. It is so much better. My next PC will be fully PWM controlled.

My fans are still 3 pins though, and I tend to just run a static RPM all the time so is there really any reason to go for PWM with that use case? Only ones I have ramp up/down are the GPU fans. 

[Intelfreak]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Nice! Mine was still brand new too, didn't have the box or anything but the board itself had never been used. Had to do the Westmere-EP mod since it's a V1.0, but it's a beast. I have a 3 way I got for $89 with an i7 920, that's also a V1.0 and I need to mod that too. And oooo Dominators, they're some of the coolest looking RAM out there. I have 3x8GB HyperX Savage in red (overpaid for the third DIMM so it'd match my other two, lol) at about 2050Mhz 10-11-11-30, haven't been able to cut timings lower. They're 1600Mhz 9-9-9-24 DIMMs IIRC. 

 

My fans are still 3 pins though, and I tend to just run a static RPM all the time so is there really any reason to go for PWM with that use case? Only ones I have ramp up/down are the GPU fans. 

In your system as a open build. No i dont think pwm is needed. Its more if you put it in a closed case like my system, you dont want fans running on a fixed speed.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Intelfreak said:

In your system as a open build. No i dont think pwm is needed. Its more if you put it in a closed case like my system, you dont want fans running on a fixed speed.

For any reason other than noise? I set mine to static when I was running that rad and the same fans on a loop for my 2700X and Vega FE in a Phanteks Evolv ATX TG.

[Intelfreak]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

For any reason other than noise? I set mine to static when I was running that rad and the same fans on a loop for my 2700X and Vega FE in a Phanteks Evolv ATX TG.

Yeah for noise, but also for airflow. At low load you dont want to listen to fans noise, so thanks to pwm i cat set fan ilde rpm all between 400 and 2400 rpm for case fans while cpu fans is between 300 and 3000 rpm.

 

While when you have high load on your system like benchmark or gaming, you need to ramp up fan speed else the air inside the case will be hot and that will increase temp on cpu, gpu and motherboard heat sink. Cause in a closed case, there are only the fans to move the air, else the air will just be trap inside and get hotter and hotter.

[Overl0rd]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Nice! Mine was still brand new too, didn't have the box or anything but the board itself had never been used. Had to do the Westmere-EP mod since it's a V1.0, but it's a beast. I have a 3 way I got for $89 with an i7 920, that's also a V1.0 and I need to mod that too. And oooo Dominators, they're some of the coolest looking RAM out there. I have 3x8GB HyperX Savage in red (overpaid for the third DIMM so it'd match my other two, lol) at about 2050Mhz 10-11-11-30, haven't been able to cut timings lower. They're 1600Mhz 9-9-9-24 DIMMs IIRC. 

Sweet! New old stock is always a great find. The Dominators were awesome; 3x2GB 2000MHz at 7-7-7-20, but with only 6GB total you do would really need two kits of those nowadays. 2050 10-11-11-30 on 1600 CL9 kits is quite a push for those already. Unfortunately it's just really difficult to find matching triple channel kits with high frequency and capacity.

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

Yeah for noise, but also for airflow. At low load you dont want to listen to fans noise, so thanks to pwm i cat set fan ilde rpm all between 400 and 2400 rpm for case fans while cpu fans is between 300 and 3000 rpm.

 

While when you have high load on your system like benchmark or gaming, you need to ramp up fan speed else the air inside the case will be hot and that will increase temp on cpu, gpu and motherboard heat sink. Cause in a closed case, there are only the fans to move the air, else the air will just be trap inside and get hotter and hotter.

When I ran my loop I put them as fast as they could go without the noise bothering me, it provided plenty of airflow for the NVMe drive heatsink, that's the only thing that needed cooling other than the rad itself. Had a Heatkiller IV on the GPU, EK monoblock on the mobo so everything else was cooled through the rad at the front of the case. 

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Overl0rd said:

Sweet! New old stock is always a great find. The Dominators were awesome; 3x2GB 2000MHz at 7-7-7-20, but with only 6GB total you do would really need two kits of those nowadays. 2050 10-11-11-30 on 1600 CL9 kits is quite a push for those already. Unfortunately it's just really difficult to find matching triple channel kits with high frequency and capacity.

Facts, all the high speed kits seem to be really smol, I assume that's down to how DDR3 works or something like that. Cause hot damn 7-7-7 at 2000Mhz is speedy. I have some old 1GB Corsair DIMMS and 3 2GB G.Skill ones, should put those in someday and see how they do. Over the next month or so I'll be piecing together my X99 rig (5820K for now until I find a reasonably priced 5960X or 6950X, 32GB RAM cause quad channel and 4GB DIMMs are dumb if I ever wanna yoink some RAM from it for a temp PC and run the rest in dual channel, and my Radeon VII), once that is done I can mess with my X58 rig even more, right now it's my main PC. Should see what my X5675s can do, but I only have 2 of those and they're waiting for me to finally start messing with my SR-2s. 

[Intelfreak]

4 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

When I ran my loop I put them as fast as they could go without the noise bothering me, it provided plenty of airflow for the NVMe drive heatsink, that's the only thing that needed cooling other than the rad itself. Had a Heatkiller IV on the GPU, EK monoblock on the mobo so everything else was cooled through the rad at the front of the case. 

Water cooling is not so depended on airflow as air cooling is. So with water cooling you can better get away with running fans at low rpm.

[Kissker]

anyone know roughly how high a x5675 can be pushed with just a DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400-CPU Cooler /AIR ?   Trying to factor in all my options since browsing through 70 pages here shows a lot of you don't list cooler or temps both, just "stable" which can range from anything up to like 100C technically.

 

Some miners went under, ebay is flooded with GPUs, and some - not all  - are in decent shape for reuse as a gaming card like they were meant to be.   So weighing my options on new CPU/Cooler/Decent GPU fully, leaning toward Xeon +cooler + OC and a used mining card (<1 year old)

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Kissker said:

anyone know roughly how high a x5675 can be pushed with just a DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400-CPU Cooler /AIR ?   Trying to factor in all my options since browsing through 70 pages here shows a lot of you don't list cooler or temps both, just "stable" which can range from anything up to like 100C technically.

 

Some miners went under, ebay is flooded with GPUs, and some - not all  - are in decent shape for reuse as a gaming card like they were meant to be.   So weighing my options on new CPU/Cooler/Decent GPU fully, leaning toward Xeon +cooler + OC and a used mining card (<1 year old)

I ran my X5675 at 4.4-4.5Ghz on a Gammax 400 with the stock fan for quite a while with an ASUS Rampage III Formula, I forget voltages and such but I don't think it hit higher than the low 80s under full load. Ran the Gammax with dual Noctuas slapped on either side on an i7 950 at 1.4v+ and it'd max in the high 80s IIRC.

[Overl0rd]

13 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Facts, all the high speed kits seem to be really smol, I assume that's down to how DDR3 works or something like that. Cause hot damn 7-7-7 at 2000Mhz is speedy. I have some old 1GB Corsair DIMMS and 3 2GB G.Skill ones, should put those in someday and see how they do. Over the next month or so I'll be piecing together my X99 rig (5820K for now until I find a reasonably priced 5960X or 6950X, 32GB RAM cause quad channel and 4GB DIMMs are dumb if I ever wanna yoink some RAM from it for a temp PC and run the rest in dual channel, and my Radeon VII), once that is done I can mess with my X58 rig even more, right now it's my main PC. Should see what my X5675s can do, but I only have 2 of those and they're waiting for me to finally start messing with my SR-2s. 

Awesome, good luck with it. I've been looking at X99 setups as well, but the prices of high end chips and DDR4 have kept me away from it. Seems my trusty 2600K will chug along for a bit longer  

I'm interested in what your 5675s will do. I have a pair of them in my SR2 for a while now, but I haven't had any time to sit down and give them a proper tweak.

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, Overl0rd said:

Awesome, good luck with it. I've been looking at X99 setups as well, but the prices of high end chips and DDR4 have kept me away from it. Seems my trusty 2600K will chug along for a bit longer  

I'm interested in what your 5675s will do. I have a pair of them in my SR2 for a while now, but I haven't had any time to sit down and give them a proper tweak.

They should perform pretty damn well, better than they did when the SR-2 was new because apparently modern stuff works much better with dual CPUs. Tech Yes City has a video or three on his SR-2 build and it's performance, I think he may have used 5690s though, but OCed them as well:

 

 

Yeah he used X5690s, they're sometimes a slightly higher bin (and higher stock clocks) than an X5675, but IIRC they usually OC about the same, IDK if @Ground or anyone has binned them to see if they OC better on average. I do know @WhisperingKnickers runs dual 5690s in his rig and hasn't had any issues with gaming AFAIK. 

[r2724r16]

Please help me here my dudes: 

[Ground]

On 3/13/2019 at 10:19 PM, Overl0rd said:

Sweet! New old stock is always a great find. The Dominators were awesome; 3x2GB 2000MHz at 7-7-7-20, but with only 6GB total you do would really need two kits of those nowadays. 2050 10-11-11-30 on 1600 CL9 kits is quite a push for those already. Unfortunately it's just really difficult to find matching triple channel kits with high frequency and capacity.

any idea what happened to the dominator Kit? I've been looking all over the place for a backup kit (my current Dom GT kit does 2200 7-7-6 at 1.85V for benching) but I haven't had any luck finding one recently...

 

Regarding x5675/x5690: Haven't had either of those yet, will probably bin a handful once I have the money to spare for stuff like that which I currently don't.