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9 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

 

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I usually get around 1016cb, maybe I'll try pushing my base clock up a little now that I know my Uncore is actually unstable for daily use for upto 3 multipliers before it fails to Cinebench.

Be aware CB20 pushes CPUs a lot harder than CB15. I had OCs up to 4.7GHz or so that were stable in CB15 and would probs have passed an AIDA64 stress test as well, but CB20 just crashed, apparently it uses AVX or something that pushes CPUs a lot harder. Seems to be pretty dang handy for testing overclocks pretty quickly though, if you pass a run chances are it's fully stable. 

Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread 

 

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CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset 

Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads 

Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark 

RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 

GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block 

Storage:  1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo 

Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 

PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 

Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM 

OS: Windows 11

 

Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel)

Mouse: EVGA X17

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB

 

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Pretty new to the Xeon options so figured I'd come here (after getting recco'd in another post)

 

So the issue is my old PC and gaming performance, I know, a new GPU is the most valued option, but I find some of the more modern games are struggling (even low FX settings, etc) and my CPU seems to be absolutely topping out. 

 

Now there are some cheap deals going on for a Ryzen build, which is very tempting, but I kinda want to get the best I can get for as little as I can - due to no income.

 

I currently have a ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard (not the newer) a i7 920 (C0, bad luck for OC)

I have some mix 12GB DDR3 1600 RAM (It's all G.Skill but the timings may not be the same for both triple channel kits)

and of course my biggest hit is the old GTX 760 GPU.

 

So... if I got a Xeon.. what one would I be looking toward? Something like a X5675?   I have the not-amazing stock cooler (from the i7920), so I'd also need a decent cooler for it, and would it give any real improvement (assuming a good 3.6-4.0Ghz speed) without the GPU upgrade?

 

Or should I fork out for a AM4 motherboard, a cheap Ryzen 3 2200G (temp cpu until more money for something like a Ryzen 7 2700 or so) according to .. well not super trusted sources the 2200G will perform about 30% better than my current i7 920. (I don't know how valid those numbers are)

Asus prime b350+ motherboard, and 16GB DDR4 (3000) RAM all together costing about as much as a new GPU.  (so all that, but keep the GTX 760 until more money to get a 1060/rx580 or even 1070+)

 

Reason I ask into this is the Xeons seem to be from 30-70$ and then I need a decent cooler (unless this stock one is better than I ever knew)

 

I guess the real question boils down to, how well do some of the current low priced Xeons compare to say a Ryzen 5 2600 (which was my first choice of Ryzen if I had the income, a nice med-high range) or even the Ryzen 3 2200G my "bottom of the list" CPU pick that still -might- be an improvement over my current set up.

 

Keep in mind.. i plan to play at 1080p.   I don't have any monitor support for more than 60 refresh rate, so I am not trying to tank out 4K or anything like that. I know depending on the game this can be more heavily GPU dependent (typically) but sometimes CPU is a factor.

 

**Edit**

 

I'd like to also add I did recently test out a Rx580 8GB GPU with this build, and saw a bit of an increase but not as much as expected. Could the PCI be bottle necking more than I thought? or is it something else?  typically i went from low-medium settings to medium-high (not ultra or max, or epic, just "high") depending on the game, seeing something around a 10-20FPS increase on games overall. (ARK/Atlas heavy tested, but even Apex Legends, Anthem beta, Fallout 4 as well)

all tests were run at 1080p, variety of settings for graphics, ending up being around med with some 'high' selections that could still push out reasonable frame rates (50-60fps)  EXCEPT Atlas/Ark - which only topped out at 40's on medium. (on the gtx 760 I get from 20-30's average) so still - abhorred play ability.

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I've a question for you guys. I've an Asus P6T Deluxe, and running i7 950, I want to know what's the latest graphic card I can run.

I've tried 1060, and it doesn't work. ASUS said it's because new BIOS on graphic card is not compatible with old BIOS on motherboard.

Some internet threads suggests old boards doesn't support newer graphic card with larger RAM.

Some people suggests some component of the Motherboard is broken hence new card doesn't work, but my old graphic card can still work, and 295, 780 ti work as well, so I think my motherboard is fine...

anwayz if there is anyone using ASUS P6T Deluxe, please share with me the latest graphic card you can run. thank you

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@Kissker  Xeon X5675 would be a big upgrade from the i7-920 but even the i7 shouldn't be a bottleneck with a GTX 760. X5675 and other 32nm Xeons doesn't run as hot as the 45nm i7's like the 920.

Intel Core i9-10900X, Asus TUF X299 Mark 1, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, Asus GTX 1080 Strix, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2TB SN570, 8TB HDD, DC Assassin III, Meshify 2

Old PC: Intel Xeon X5670 6c/12t @ 4.40GHz, Asus P6X58D-E, 24GB DDR3 1600MHz, Asus GTX 1080 Strix, 500GB, 250GB & 120GB SSD, 2x 4TB & 2x 2TB HDD, Fractal Define R5

PC 2: Intel Xeon E5-2690 8c/16t @ 3.3-3.8GHz, ThinkStation S30 (C602/X79), 64GB (4x 16GB) DDR3 1600MHz, Asus GeForce GTX 960 Turbo OC, 1TB Crucial MX500

PC 3: Intel Core i7-3770 4c/8t @ 4.22-4.43GHz, Asus P8Z77-V LK, 16GB DDR3 1648MHz, Asus GTX 760 DC2 OC, 1TB & 250GB Crucial MX500 and 3x 500GB HDD

Laptop: ThinkPad T440p, Intel Core i7-4800MQ 4c/8t @ 2.7-3.7GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz, GeForce GT 730M (GPU: 1006MHz MEM: 1151MHz), 2TB SSD, 14" 1080p IPS, 100Wh battery

Laptop 2: ThinkPad T450, Intel Core i7-5600U 2c/4t @ 2.6-3.2GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz, Intel HD 5500, 250GB SSD, 14" 900p TN, 24Wh + 72Wh batteries

Phone: Huawei Honor 9 64GB + 256GB card Watch: Motorola Moto 360 1st Gen.

General X58 Xeon/i7 discussion

Some other PC's:

Spoiler

Some of the specs of these systems might not be up to date

PC 4: Intel Xeon X5675 6c/12t @ 3.07-3.47GHz, HP 0B4Ch (X58), 12GB DDR3 1333MHz, Asus GeForce GTX 660 DC2, 240GB & 120GB SSD, 1TB HDD

PC 5: Intel Xeon W3550 @ 3.07GHz, HP (X58), 8GB DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (GPU: 1050MHz MEM: 1250MHz), 120GB SSD, 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

PC 6: Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.8GHz, Asus P5KC, 8GB DDR2, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470, 120GB SSD and 500GB HDD

HTPC: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.0GHz, HP DC7900SFF, 8GB DDR2 800MHz, Asus Radeon HD 6570, 240GB SSD and 3TB HDD

WinXP PC: Intel Core2 Duo E6300 @ 2.33GHz, Asus P5B, 2GB DDR2 667MHz, NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT, 32GB SSD and 80GB HDD

RetroPC: Intel Pentium 4 HT @ 3.0GHz, Gigabyte GA-8SGXLFS, 2gb DDR1, ATi Radeon 9800 Pro, 2x 40gb HDD

My first PC: Intel Celeron 333MHz, Diamond Micronics C400, 384mb RAM, Diamond Viper V550 (NVIDIA Riva TNT), 6gb and 8gb HDD

Server: 2x Intel Xeon E5420, Dell PowerEdge 2950, 32gb DDR2, ATI ES1000, 4x 146gb SAS

Dual Opteron PC: 2x 6-core AMD Opteron 2419EE, HP XW9400, 32GB DDR2, ATI Radeon 3650, 500gb HDD

Core2 Duo PC: Intel Core2 Duo E8400, HP DC7800, 4gb DDR2, NVIDIA Quadro FX1700, 1tb and 80gb HDD

Athlon XP PC: AMD Athlon XP 2400+, MSI something, 1,5gb DDR1, ATI Radeon 9200, 40gb HDD

Thinkpad: Intel Core2 Duo T7200, Lenovo Thinkpad T60, 4gb DDR2, ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, 1tb HDD

Pentium 3 PC: Intel Pentium 3 866MHz, Asus CUSL2-C, 512mb RAM, 3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 AGP

Laptop: Dell Latitude E6430, Intel Core i5-3210M, 6gb DDR3 1600MHz , Intel HD 4000, 250gb Samsung SSD 860 EVO, 1TB WD Blue HDD

Laptop: Latitude 3380, Intel Pentium Gold 4415U 2c/4t @ 2.3GHz, 8GB DDR4, Intel HD 610, 120GB SSD, 13.3" 768p TN, 56Wh battery

 

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4 minutes ago, j889 said:

I've a question for you guys. I've an Asus P6T Deluxe, and running i7 950, I want to know what's the latest graphic card I can run.

I've tried 1060, and it doesn't work. ASUS said it's because new BIOS on graphic card is not compatible with old BIOS on motherboard.

Some internet threads suggests old boards doesn't support newer graphic card with larger RAM.

Some people suggests some component of the Motherboard is broken hence new card doesn't work, but my old graphic card can still work, and 295, 780 ti work as well, so I think my motherboard is fine...

anwayz if there is anyone using ASUS P6T Deluxe, please share with me the latest graphic card you can run. thank you

New graphics cards should work just fine on it. Do you have the latest BIOS version?

Intel Core i9-10900X, Asus TUF X299 Mark 1, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, Asus GTX 1080 Strix, 2TB 970 EVO Plus, 2TB SN570, 8TB HDD, DC Assassin III, Meshify 2

Old PC: Intel Xeon X5670 6c/12t @ 4.40GHz, Asus P6X58D-E, 24GB DDR3 1600MHz, Asus GTX 1080 Strix, 500GB, 250GB & 120GB SSD, 2x 4TB & 2x 2TB HDD, Fractal Define R5

PC 2: Intel Xeon E5-2690 8c/16t @ 3.3-3.8GHz, ThinkStation S30 (C602/X79), 64GB (4x 16GB) DDR3 1600MHz, Asus GeForce GTX 960 Turbo OC, 1TB Crucial MX500

PC 3: Intel Core i7-3770 4c/8t @ 4.22-4.43GHz, Asus P8Z77-V LK, 16GB DDR3 1648MHz, Asus GTX 760 DC2 OC, 1TB & 250GB Crucial MX500 and 3x 500GB HDD

Laptop: ThinkPad T440p, Intel Core i7-4800MQ 4c/8t @ 2.7-3.7GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz, GeForce GT 730M (GPU: 1006MHz MEM: 1151MHz), 2TB SSD, 14" 1080p IPS, 100Wh battery

Laptop 2: ThinkPad T450, Intel Core i7-5600U 2c/4t @ 2.6-3.2GHz, 16GB DDR3 1600MHz, Intel HD 5500, 250GB SSD, 14" 900p TN, 24Wh + 72Wh batteries

Phone: Huawei Honor 9 64GB + 256GB card Watch: Motorola Moto 360 1st Gen.

General X58 Xeon/i7 discussion

Some other PC's:

Spoiler

Some of the specs of these systems might not be up to date

PC 4: Intel Xeon X5675 6c/12t @ 3.07-3.47GHz, HP 0B4Ch (X58), 12GB DDR3 1333MHz, Asus GeForce GTX 660 DC2, 240GB & 120GB SSD, 1TB HDD

PC 5: Intel Xeon W3550 @ 3.07GHz, HP (X58), 8GB DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (GPU: 1050MHz MEM: 1250MHz), 120GB SSD, 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

PC 6: Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 @ 3.8GHz, Asus P5KC, 8GB DDR2, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470, 120GB SSD and 500GB HDD

HTPC: Intel Core2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.0GHz, HP DC7900SFF, 8GB DDR2 800MHz, Asus Radeon HD 6570, 240GB SSD and 3TB HDD

WinXP PC: Intel Core2 Duo E6300 @ 2.33GHz, Asus P5B, 2GB DDR2 667MHz, NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT, 32GB SSD and 80GB HDD

RetroPC: Intel Pentium 4 HT @ 3.0GHz, Gigabyte GA-8SGXLFS, 2gb DDR1, ATi Radeon 9800 Pro, 2x 40gb HDD

My first PC: Intel Celeron 333MHz, Diamond Micronics C400, 384mb RAM, Diamond Viper V550 (NVIDIA Riva TNT), 6gb and 8gb HDD

Server: 2x Intel Xeon E5420, Dell PowerEdge 2950, 32gb DDR2, ATI ES1000, 4x 146gb SAS

Dual Opteron PC: 2x 6-core AMD Opteron 2419EE, HP XW9400, 32GB DDR2, ATI Radeon 3650, 500gb HDD

Core2 Duo PC: Intel Core2 Duo E8400, HP DC7800, 4gb DDR2, NVIDIA Quadro FX1700, 1tb and 80gb HDD

Athlon XP PC: AMD Athlon XP 2400+, MSI something, 1,5gb DDR1, ATI Radeon 9200, 40gb HDD

Thinkpad: Intel Core2 Duo T7200, Lenovo Thinkpad T60, 4gb DDR2, ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, 1tb HDD

Pentium 3 PC: Intel Pentium 3 866MHz, Asus CUSL2-C, 512mb RAM, 3DFX VooDoo 3 2000 AGP

Laptop: Dell Latitude E6430, Intel Core i5-3210M, 6gb DDR3 1600MHz , Intel HD 4000, 250gb Samsung SSD 860 EVO, 1TB WD Blue HDD

Laptop: Latitude 3380, Intel Pentium Gold 4415U 2c/4t @ 2.3GHz, 8GB DDR4, Intel HD 610, 120GB SSD, 13.3" 768p TN, 56Wh battery

 

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15 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

@Kissker  Xeon X5675 would be a big upgrade from the i7-920 but even the i7 shouldn't be a bottleneck with a GTX 760. X5675 and other 32nm Xeons doesn't run as hot as the 45nm i7's like the 920.

if the choice was between a x5670 and a x5675 is there a ton of difference?

 

Also having the same Mobo, the Bios hasn't been upgraded since like 2010 -  Asus dropped support for the board (it's technically not even win10 compatible) and worked on its V2 instead.

 

the motherboard boasts 2x PCIe 2.0 x16 slots (so immediately any 3.0 cards are getting slowed down) as well.  The CPU support only shows i7 series from the 920 to the Extreme Edition 990X

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6 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

@Kissker  Xeon X5675 would be a big upgrade from the i7-920 but even the i7 shouldn't be a bottleneck with a GTX 760. X5675 and other 32nm Xeons doesn't run as hot as the 45nm i7's like the 920.

With a lower budget like his I'd go for an X5650 though and crank the BLCK, or an X5670 (slightly lower bin than an X5675 but like half the price). 

Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread 

 

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CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset 

Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads 

Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark 

RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 

GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block 

Storage:  1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo 

Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 

PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 

Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM 

OS: Windows 11

 

Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel)

Mouse: EVGA X17

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB

 

Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3

 

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7 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

New graphics cards should work just fine on it. Do you have the latest BIOS version? 

ohhh yes, i've the latest BIOS... I've tried 1060, 1070, I went to manufacturer, they said some people had the same issue (card won't run on legacy mother board...)

thx

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9 hours ago, Kissker said:

Pretty new to the Xeon options so figured I'd come here (after getting recco'd in another post)

 

So the issue is my old PC and gaming performance, I know, a new GPU is the most valued option, but I find some of the more modern games are struggling (even low FX settings, etc) and my CPU seems to be absolutely topping out. 

 

Now there are some cheap deals going on for a Ryzen build, which is very tempting, but I kinda want to get the best I can get for as little as I can - due to no income.

 

I currently have a ASUS P6T Deluxe motherboard (not the newer) a i7 920 (C0, bad luck for OC)

I have some mix 12GB DDR3 1600 RAM (It's all G.Skill but the timings may not be the same for both triple channel kits)

and of course my biggest hit is the old GTX 760 GPU.

 

So... if I got a Xeon.. what one would I be looking toward? Something like a X5675?   I have the not-amazing stock cooler (from the i7920), so I'd also need a decent cooler for it, and would it give any real improvement (assuming a good 3.6-4.0Ghz speed) without the GPU upgrade?

 

Or should I fork out for a AM4 motherboard, a cheap Ryzen 3 2200G (temp cpu until more money for something like a Ryzen 7 2700 or so) according to .. well not super trusted sources the 2200G will perform about 30% better than my current i7 920. (I don't know how valid those numbers are)

Asus prime b350+ motherboard, and 16GB DDR4 (3000) RAM all together costing about as much as a new GPU.  (so all that, but keep the GTX 760 until more money to get a 1060/rx580 or even 1070+)

 

Reason I ask into this is the Xeons seem to be from 30-70$ and then I need a decent cooler (unless this stock one is better than I ever knew)

 

I guess the real question boils down to, how well do some of the current low priced Xeons compare to say a Ryzen 5 2600 (which was my first choice of Ryzen if I had the income, a nice med-high range) or even the Ryzen 3 2200G my "bottom of the list" CPU pick that still -might- be an improvement over my current set up.

 

Keep in mind.. i plan to play at 1080p.   I don't have any monitor support for more than 60 refresh rate, so I am not trying to tank out 4K or anything like that. I know depending on the game this can be more heavily GPU dependent (typically) but sometimes CPU is a factor.

 

**Edit**

 

I'd like to also add I did recently test out a Rx580 8GB GPU with this build, and saw a bit of an increase but not as much as expected. Could the PCI be bottle necking more than I thought? or is it something else?  typically i went from low-medium settings to medium-high (not ultra or max, or epic, just "high") depending on the game, seeing something around a 10-20FPS increase on games overall. (ARK/Atlas heavy tested, but even Apex Legends, Anthem beta, Fallout 4 as well)

all tests were run at 1080p, variety of settings for graphics, ending up being around med with some 'high' selections that could still push out reasonable frame rates (50-60fps)  EXCEPT Atlas/Ark - which only topped out at 40's on medium. (on the gtx 760 I get from 20-30's average) so still - abhorred play ability.

Go for it with a 6 core xeon and then you can afford it get a better GPU. That GTX 760 is just holding you back big time.

 

I upgrade from a I7 920 DO reviosn OC to 4.1 GHz at the end i had it and got a I7 980X oc to 4.4 GHz and I7 980X performance the same as a Xeon on the same clock speeds. I Cut feel the upgrade.

 

But with that said and I7 920 can handle a pretty desent GPU if it is oc to 4 GHz or more. First when i got 2 x GTX 970 in SLI that performance around a GTX 980 TI , i saw some CPU bottleneck. Now i have a GTX 1080 TI with my I7 980X and that runs fairly well.

 

Take a look in this thread maybe. He had a I7 980X oc to 4 GHz and a GTX 780 and that GPU still bottleneck the I7 980X pretty massive. Longer down in the same thread i post how my pc performance with the same CPU but OC to 4.4 GHz and a GTX 1080 TI. There is a good amount of FPS difference.

 

in short get a Xeon with 6 core and a good CPU cooler (these old chips needs a desent cooler if you want to get them on the fun side of 4 GHz), that shut allow for and overclock between 4.2 and up to 4.6 GHz depending on how well the cpu you get can overclock and then get a used GTX 1060, 1070/TI or GTX 1080 all depending of what you can and will pay for a GPU. But you will for sure get a much better gaming exsperince than your old GTX 760 can offer you now.

 

And else here are some image and benchmark of my own PC with I7 920 and I7 980X to a performance comparison.

 

I7 920 with GTX 285 3 way sli, GTX 660 TI SLI and GTX 970 SLI

https://imgur.com/a/vyTFIpK

https://imgur.com/a/WqD1iHK

 

I7 980X with GTX 1080 TI.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10037039

https://imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

https://imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

 

9 hours ago, j889 said:

I've a question for you guys. I've an Asus P6T Deluxe, and running i7 950, I want to know what's the latest graphic card I can run.

I've tried 1060, and it doesn't work. ASUS said it's because new BIOS on graphic card is not compatible with old BIOS on motherboard.

Some internet threads suggests old boards doesn't support newer graphic card with larger RAM.

Some people suggests some component of the Motherboard is broken hence new card doesn't work, but my old graphic card can still work, and 295, 780 ti work as well, so I think my motherboard is fine...

anwayz if there is anyone using ASUS P6T Deluxe, please share with me the latest graphic card you can run. thank you

I cant say for sure about your motherboard and new GPU´s, but it sounds wired if you cant run a GTX 1060 on in.

 

I have run GTX 970 SLI on a Asus rampage 2 extreme for 3 years with out any problems. This motherboard: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/RAMPAGE-II-EXTREME/

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And now i am running a GTX 1080 TI on a Asus P6X58D Premium motherboard just fine for almost 2 years: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P6X58D_Premium/

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^^^ Yep, 6 core Xeons/i7s (the i7s are 45nm so run hotter though) are pretty damn good on X58. I run my X5675 at 4.5Ghz with a 1080 Ti and it keeps up well for it's age. 

Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread 

 

Main PC 

CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset 

Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads 

Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark 

RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 

GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block 

Storage:  1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo 

Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 

PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 

Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM 

OS: Windows 11

 

Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel)

Mouse: EVGA X17

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB

 

Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3

 

Other Misc Devices: iPod Video (Gen 5.5E, 128GB SD card swap, running Rockbox), Nintendo Switch

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I think the real question is how much can you afford to spend?

 

If you need to buy an expensive cooler to OC the Xeon to play games enjoyably, how does that total cost compare with a new budget Ryzen system?

 

It might be a better value to sell all the X58 stuff at this point. It also might not. 

 

(says another X5675 @ 4.5ghz + 1080ti + nvme ssd user)

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16 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

I think the real question is how much can you afford to spend?

 

If you need to buy an expensive cooler to OC the Xeon to play games enjoyably, how does that total cost compare with a new budget Ryzen system?

 

It might be a better value to sell all the X58 stuff at this point. It also might not. 

 

(says another X5675 @ 4.5ghz + 1080ti + nvme ssd user)

^^^. Ryzen will perform a bit better too but keep in mind you'll need new RAM with that, and a Xeon + good air cooler (used to run my X5675 at 4.5Ghz on a Gammax 400 with acceptable temps so you don't need a massively OP cooler so long as you keep voltage under 1.45) may be cheaper than mobo + CPU + RAM. 

 

Also if you like tinkering then X58 has another advantage there, OCing on Ryzen is considerably more boring than X58. Pretty much boop in some settings, no matter what you do most can't make it past 4.3Ghz without LN2 and massive voltages. Whereas X58 you can push and tweak a lot more, I find it pretty fun even if it does get frustrating sometimes. The satisfaction of completing a cinebench and AIDA 64 run with a good OC is worth it though. 

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7 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^. Ryzen will perform a bit better too but keep in mind you'll need new RAM with that, and a Xeon + good air cooler (used to run my X5675 at 4.5Ghz on a Gammax 400 with acceptable temps so you don't need a massively OP cooler so long as you keep voltage under 1.45) may be cheaper than mobo + CPU + RAM. 

 

Also if you like tinkering then X58 has another advantage there, OCing on Ryzen is considerably more boring than X58. Pretty much boop in some settings, no matter what you do most can't make it past 4.3Ghz without LN2 and massive voltages. Whereas X58 you can push and tweak a lot more, I find it pretty fun even if it does get frustrating sometimes. The satisfaction of completing a cinebench and AIDA 64 run with a good OC is worth it though. 

About the overclock on X58. I can not agreed more. X58 is fun and more challenging to overclock cause its not just oc cores. If you wanna get the best out of X58, tweaking memory and ULCK/UNCORE is needed as well + voltage is also needed to be set right.

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Yep. definitely fun for tweaking and tinkering. Downside is for it to keep up well with the new shiny, you have to put in time to do some tinkering and tweaking. Not everyone is going to want to do that, which is cool.


Weird, I guess, but cool.

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59 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

About the overclock on X58. I can not agreed more. X58 is fun and more challenging to overclock cause its not just oc cores. If you wanna get the best out of X58, tweaking memory and ULCK/UNCORE is needed as well + voltage is also needed to be set right.

Facts. Had a guy on another thread complain X58 was tricky to OC but that's the point, it's a proper enthusiast platform, built for people who wanna tweak their system to get the absolute best performance possible from their hardware. 

53 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Yep. definitely fun for tweaking and tinkering. Downside is for it to keep up well with the new shiny, you have to put in time to do some tinkering and tweaking. Not everyone is going to want to do that, which is cool.


Weird, I guess, but cool.

Yeah, if you're down for it it's pretty damn enjoyable. Especially the nice OC headroom on most Xeons, going from a stock speed of 3.02Ghz to 4.56GHz is pretty satisfying, whereas going from a stock boost of 4.25-4.3GHz on a 2700X to an OC of... 4.25-4.3GHz is pretty meh. That's all core vs single core boost but still it's not close to as satisfying once you're done. And no matter how hard you push that it won't go much higher, whereas I can push my X5670 harder or get a '75 in hopes of a better bin then eke more tasty GHz out of it. 

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so lemme toss some numbers after doing some research.

 

There is a source of ol' refurb Xeon's going around and a x5675 is around about $60 (a steal from the original like $1,400 lolz) a "Gammax 400" from "Deep Cool" (never used their products, so don't know quality) is anywhere from $24 to $50.       so about $90 averaging, a bit lower if I select cheaper fan,etc.  OH and a Xeon is a moot point if it won't work on my Asus P6T Deluxe (Version 1, original, not V2) which "officially" has a bios update back in 2010, as well as only showing support for i7's  https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/P6T_Deluxe/HelpDesk_CPU/

 

ryzen 3 2200G ~ $95, asus prime b350+ mobo ~ $99  8gb DDR 4 (3000) ~ $46 (x2 for 16GB) ~ $92 = $286 setting up a new cpu/mobo/ram (ddr 4, new socket, and cpu is better than current- I think)

 

The thing I wanna know here, is if I do get the xeon method, and OC the trickling electrons outta it to say the 4.0 or 4.2 or whatever Ghz -  how much benefit would I see?  I know we have to factor in "what GPU?" but let's say I got a 1080 or something stupid like an 2080 (it's stupid because of price, not features)   Is the Xeon going to perform something similar to the cheap Ryzen build at that point?   within 10% FPS let's say?     The AM4 has the option of upgrading to a Ryzen 7 down the road (or whatever else comes out) so a Ry 7 2700 for around $280 currently, and of course, 2 sticks of ram only eats of 1/2 the slots so easily upgrade to 32GB if needed (not for games, but 3d modeling, editing, etc, where as all 6 slots are currently in use now for a measely 12GB, and upgrading will be more expensive than DDr4)

 

personally I've dabbled in OC but this C0 i7 is just a pain and I never got much of an OC, I barely get it to run stable getting my ram at it's listed 1600oc instead of it's default. ANd even then, it get's pretty hot sometimes.  (so not a super enthusiast just wanted to get more life out of it because I am poor, given having the availability and option of income, I would easily go new system over tinkering with older in this case)

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Don't bother with a 2200G unless you want/need the igpu. I would scoop one of those dirt cheap 1st gen Ryzens for a low power quad core system, if you want to play games the 2600 is really just worth it.

 

X5675's are $29.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Intel-Xeon-X5675-3-06GHz-12M-Cache-Hex-6-SIX-Core-Processor-LGA1366-SLBYL-CPU/32760264745.html

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5675-SLBYL-3-06GHz-6-Core-LGA-1366-CPU-Processor-km/401727165236

 

If it supports a i7 980X and doesn't have an issue with the 2 QPI's like some EVGA boards, it's gonna support a X5675 or anything else that uses the 206C2 microcode like the $8.50 E5649 and other Westmere hexcores. Nehalems suck, my bunk i7 930 barely made 3.8ghz and I only bought this hardware in 2010 to get that 4ghz number.

 

You're not always going to get better FPS than newer platforms, some games just want a few nice fast threads while other games the more threads you throw at it, the happier it is. X58 is a great platform, but it's biggest strength is that you already own it or got it for cheap and throwing like $50 at it for a better cpu and/or ram really wakes it up and transforms it into something that's fairly strong still. If you want some benchmarks, here's some 3dmark scores I've taken. There's going to be a lot lower fps lows with worse frame times, ect than new platforms but new platforms cost at least 10x what updating a X58 platform costs.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14238576 X5660+GTX 1070 FTW

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14345455 X5660+R9 280(non-x)

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34350425 6700K+GTX 970

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28039369 X5675+GTX 970(not the same 970)

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28040225 X5675+GTX 1080

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/28886013 X5675+GTX 1080 with an unstable gpu overclock

 

I checked the latest version of your bios, it has the revision 13 of the 206C2 microcode which is a known good, working microcode that doesn't have issues with changing the uncore multi, ect. You'll be good to go after a bios update to run any cpu that uses any of the microcodes listed unless for some reason your board is known not to work with a certain cpu. Which it isn't as the P6T family are like the most popular X58 motherboards out there.

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@Slayer3032  thanks so much for the input,   I've had the most terrible luck with purchases lately so I really want to get something to enjoy instead of just "return it and try again" - been on this battle since June since the money I am using is from my "birthday and christmas" from 2018.

 

(Edited to clean up wasted space quote so the thread isn't so crazy.)

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they stopped updating BIOS for my motherboard a long time ago...

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7 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Nehalems suck

Not all. In my binning I've recently stumbled over some insane Nehalem chips. I've found a W3520 that runs Superpi 32m at 4.83/1.33V, better then any Westmere chip I've ever had (about 60 by now). To be fair, that W3520 is the best out of about 40 chips but still. Also can easily do about 5 GHz uncore at 1.6V VTT on Dry Ice.

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13 hours ago, Ground said:

Not all. In my binning I've recently stumbled over some insane Nehalem chips. I've found a W3520 that runs Superpi 32m at 4.83/1.33V, better then any Westmere chip I've ever had (about 60 by now). To be fair, that W3520 is the best out of about 40 chips but still. Also can easily do about 5 GHz uncore at 1.6V VTT on Dry Ice.

I feel like the more common i7 Nehalems suck, I've always heard more disappointing stories about Nehalem overclocking than positive ones. The Xeons must be significantly better binned since I couldn't even hit 4ghz stable enough for a Cinebench on my i7-930 with as much voltage as I felt comfortable dumping into it. Nehalem definitely has an advantage with it's stronger IMC/Uncore.

 

Maybe I'll have to grab one to replace my backup's backup since I might have a line on a P6T SE and I'll be putting my backup Westmere into that. What do you think about the Westmere quads compared to the Nehalems?

 

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14 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

I feel like the more common i7 Nehalems suck, I've always heard more disappointing stories about Nehalem overclocking than positive ones. The Xeons must be significantly better binned since I couldn't even hit 4ghz stable enough for a Cinebench on my i7-930 with as much voltage as I felt comfortable dumping into it. Nehalem definitely has an advantage with it's stronger IMC/Uncore.

 

Maybe I'll have to grab one to replace my backup's backup since I might have a line on a P6T SE and I'll be putting my backup Westmere into that. What do you think about the Westmere quads compared to the Nehalems?

 

Westmere quads on average should be better then average Nehalem quads tbh, the one I found was just a really rare find. The next best chip is about 300 MHz worse at the same voltage from said 40 chips.

For Westmere quads I can recommend the E5640, those are usually cheap and loads of fun. Have one that does 4.76 R15 at 1.4V :D

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