General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Pasi123]

On 4.8.2018 at 1:25 AM, Xa3phod said:

Benchmarks! Ok, here are some benchmarks from different machines I have. Enjoy.

 

922 cb seems a bit low for X5670 @ 4.2GHz. I got 951 cb when I had my X5670 clocked at 4.2GHz and at 4.32GHz it got 986cb.

[Xa3phod]

2 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

922 cb seems a bit low for X5670 @ 4.2GHz. I got 951 cb when I had my X5670 clocked at 4.2GHz and at 4.32GHz it got 986cb.

Lucky of the silicon I guess.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Out of pure curiosity, does this thread include all Xeons/i7s on the LGA 1366 socket, or just specifically the X58 chipset?

[Pasi123]

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Out of pure curiosity, does this thread include all Xeons/i7s on the LGA 1366 socket, or just specifically the X58 chipset?

It includes all LGA 1366 related stuff, not only X58 chipset as far as I know.

There is some people with dual socket systems that doesn't have the X58 chipset.

[Crunchy Dragon]

15 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

It includes all LGA 1366 related stuff, not only X58 chipset as far as I know.

There is some people with dual socket systems that doesn't have the X58 chipset.

Alright, just wondering.

 

I recently acquired an LGA 1366 based server(props to @CUDAcores89). Xeon E5507, 2GB DDR3 ECC memory, no storage.

I'm planning on using it as a media server.

[GillyMoMo]

21 hours ago, Pasi123 said:

It includes all LGA 1366 related stuff, not only X58 chipset as far as I know.

There is some people with dual socket systems that doesn't have the X58 chipset.

Yup I fall into the dual socket group of folks here!

[GillyMoMo]

On 8/4/2018 at 6:39 PM, Pasi123 said:

922 cb seems a bit low for X5670 @ 4.2GHz. I got 951 cb when I had my X5670 clocked at 4.2GHz and at 4.32GHz it got 986cb.

RAM speed does matter in this case too. Being in dual or triple channel can make or break those scores as well. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

20 minutes ago, GillyMoMo said:

Yup I fall into the dual socket group of folks here!

Dual socket systems are sick, even if there's not much call for them in the gaming community.

 

I'd like to get my hands on a dual socket 1366 system personally, might use it as a streaming rig once I get into that, who knows.

[GillyMoMo]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

Dual socket systems are sick, even if there's not much call for them in the gaming community.

 

I'd like to get my hands on a dual socket 1366 system personally, might use it as a streaming rig once I get into that, who knows.

That's what I was thinking of doing with mine! Possibly with Windows server and a Linux VM to run along side it. I have a set of GTX 460's with a bios hack to their Quadro counterparts and use them with the DDA capability that's in Windows. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, GillyMoMo said:

That's what I was thinking of doing with mine! Possibly with Windows server and a Linux VM to run along side it. I have a set of GTX 460's with a bios hack to their Quadro counterparts and use them with the DDA capability that's in Windows. 

That sounds cool! I need more RAM and some storage before I can really mess around with my Xeon system, but luckily DDR3 ECC is fairly cheap on Ebay. Storage is a slightly bigger problem as I need at least a 1TB drive(personal preference) as well as drive trays.

 

Overall, I've got a pretty good plan for how I'm going to make it into a media server, as well as a decent idea of what I'm going to use.

[Stefan Payne]

On 5.8.2018 at 4:15 AM, Crunchy Dragon said:

Out of pure curiosity, does this thread include all Xeons/i7s on the LGA 1366 socket, or just specifically the X58 chipset?

Isn't it all the same anyway?

Just different names and some things enabled/disabled...

7 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Alright, just wondering.

 

I recently acquired an LGA 1366 based server(props to @CUDAcores89). Xeon E5507, 2GB DDR3 ECC memory, no storage.

I'm planning on using it as a media server.

Hm, if you are going to do that, I'd recommend to throw away the E5507 on arrival and get any 32nm Westmere based CPU, if supported by the Board of course.

 

Because the power consumption differences under lower loads are like 20-40W (I don't really remember, didn't write it down and it was some time ago) between an i7-920 and an L5640.

I just remember that it was around 100W or more with the 45nm Bloomfield and about the same as my i7-3820 with the 32nm CPU wich is around 80W or so.

 

But in General, I'd recommend you measure the power consumption of the PC....

 

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Dual socket systems are sick, even if there's not much call for them in the gaming community.

That was the case back in the day.

Today it might be different.

But nobody tests it. 

Though it would be worth to test a tripple Channel 4 or 6 Core CPU with a modern enviroment.

 

1 hour ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'd like to get my hands on a dual socket 1366 system personally, might use it as a streaming rig once I get into that, who knows.

Or just something to play around with.

 

But still, you should measure the power consumption of that machine...

And also expect it to BE REALLY REALLY LOUD!!

 

 

PS: The Last Server Grade Hardware I had was the Fujitsu-Siemens Celsius 670 and Compac EVO W6000....

 

Just one thing: 12V/1A. That were the fans the Fujitsu server came with (60x38mm Intel)...

[Crunchy Dragon]

17 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Hm, if you are going to do that, I'd recommend to throw away the E5507 on arrival and get any 32nm Westmere based CPU, if supported by the Board of course.

Out of curiosity, why would you recommend I ditch the current CPU? Sure, I can grab a 6 core for like 50 bucks, but I did get this system for free(bit of a long story, not getting into it). It's already gonna cost nearly $400 to convert it to a media server.

 

18 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

Because the power consumption differences under lower loads are like 20-40W (I don't really remember, didn't write it down and it was some time ago) between an i7-920 and an L5640.

I just remember that it was around 100W or more with the 45nm Bloomfield and about the same as my i7-3820 with the 32nm CPU wich is around 80W or so.

 

But in General, I'd recommend you measure the power consumption of the PC....

Came with a 460W PSU. I think that's enough to go on as to power consumption. The E-series chips also didn't consume too much power. I'm not counting on it needing more than 450W, the CPU is somewhat low power and I really only need the GPU to be capable for 1080p playback.

 

19 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

That was the case back in the day.

Today it might be different.

But nobody tests it. 

Though it would be worth to test a tripple Channel 4 or 6 Core CPU with a modern enviroment.

Multiprocessing systems aren't still cool? What's not cool about having multiple CPUs in one system, all working together? Personally, I think that's pretty cool. Plus, not everyone can say that they have a multiprocessor system.

 

Just my thoughts on what you posted.

[Stefan Payne]

48 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Out of curiosity, why would you recommend I ditch the current CPU? Sure, I can grab a 6 core for like 50 bucks, but I did get this system for free(bit of a long story, not getting into it). It's already gonna cost nearly $400 to convert it to a media server.

Because of Power Consumption.

And because they are only 4 Core/4 Thread models, it seems. WIth 80W TDP....

 

And you don't need to replace it with a 6 Core at all.

Any 32nm Processor works and you should be able to get a pair of those for like 20 bucks or maybe 50 for two.

 

For example an L5630 seems cheap as I could get two for like under 30€.

 

The 6 Cores (L5640) is a bit more expensive for around 22€ for one CPU...

 

 

But as I said, that should reduce the power consumption dramatically.

Well, they are 40W TDP Types.

 

Or why not the E5606?

Well, you are probably not in my region but those are a steal and with THAT Price you can't justify not to replace the CPUs, can you?

 

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/TYPE-Xeon 5600.html

 

Or any other 5600 series processor. They go from 2 Cores over 4 up to 6.

 

48 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

The E-series chips also didn't consume too much power.

I was talking about low load scenarios or just Windows at Desktop.

 

48 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Multiprocessing systems aren't still cool?

Shit, should have bolded the part I was talking about...

 

I meant the part where you say that dual Processor systems have no point in Gaming. That was what I was disagreeing with, not with the Multi Processor thing.

[Crunchy Dragon]

On 8/6/2018 at 1:29 AM, Stefan Payne said:

I meant the part where you say that dual Processor systems have no point in Gaming. That was what I was disagreeing with, not with the Multi Processor thing.

I just said there isn't as much call for them, not that they have no point.

 

In some circumstances, multiprocessor systems make great budget gaming solutions(shown by that one LTT video).

[Stefan Payne]

8 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I just said there isn't as much call for them, not that they have no point.

 

In some circumstances, multiprocessor systems make great budget gaming solutions(shown by that one LTT video).

I think we misunderstand each other, what the other wants to say.

 

What I was trying to say but didn't, was that the performance of such Multi CPU Systems is interesting and that the Performance isn't tested (against modern Systems), though it would be interesting to see the Performance of such systems against more modern systems like Ryzen or Threadripper.

 

I personally kinda like MPS Systems as well as I had a couple of them in the Past (the two P4 based S603 Systems with i860 Chipset and RDRAM I mentioned), but I had a Serverworks Board (with more or less an AGP Slot) and dual Pentium 3/1GHz Processors before that.

 

 

But sadly the 2 CPU Systems got really expensive in the last couple of yars and with the increase in core count of single CPU the demand of those also shrunk quite a bit....

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Stefan Payne said:

I think we misunderstand each other, what the other wants to say.

 

What I was trying to say but didn't, was that the performance of such Multi CPU Systems is interesting and that the Performance isn't tested (against modern Systems), though it would be interesting to see the Performance of such systems against more modern systems like Ryzen or Threadripper.

 

I personally kinda like MPS Systems as well as I had a couple of them in the Past (the two P4 based S603 Systems with i860 Chipset and RDRAM I mentioned), but I had a Serverworks Board (with more or less an AGP Slot) and dual Pentium 3/1GHz Processors before that.

 

 

But sadly the 2 CPU Systems got really expensive in the last couple of yars and with the increase in core count of single CPU the demand of those also shrunk quite a bit....

Fair point, it would be nice to see how a dual Xeon X58 system competes against some Ryzen/Threadripper systems.

[Glasare]

After getting my P55/X3440 sold, and setting up one of the X58-systems for sale, my good ol' P35/X5460-system got robbed of a few parts and went through a rough time just sitting on a shelf.

It kinda broke my heart, so I've picked up some brand new stuff for it.

 

New parts for the build is a Phanteks P300 White, Be Quiet System Power 9 600W Bronze, CM ML240L RGB and 2x Corsair AF120 White and a Phanteks LED strip. Total cost around $200.

It's a bit loud atm wIth the AF's spinning around 1200rpm, and the AIO-fans at 2000rpm under load, but the temps are awesome. A brand spanking new 4.1GHz overclock sees the hottest core max out at 72C (the other three cores 62C-65C) after consecutive CB-runs. (Score 446 btw). This with the fans mounted in pull-config with the pretty restrictive front panel of the P300.

The 780Ti stays below 70C,

This little beast struggles on, still playing AAA games on it

 

WIll follow up with the evolution of my X58's. Know you guys love some build photos

 

 

 

[Zando_]

12 hours ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Fair point, it would be nice to see how a dual Xeon X58 system competes against some Ryzen/Threadripper systems.

Just wait till @WhisperingKnickers finishes his rig, he's running dual X5690s on an EVGA SR-2, it's gonna be fully water-cooled too. It'll be interesting to see how it performs vs my Ryzen 7 2700X, it'll have more cores and threads and he should be able to OC a bit too. 

 

5 hours ago, Glasare said:

After getting my P55/X3440 sold, and setting up one of the X58-systems for sale, my good ol' P35/X5460-system got robbed of a few parts and went through a rough time just sitting on a shelf.

It kinda broke my heart, so I've picked up some brand new stuff for it.

 

New parts for the build is a Phanteks P300 White, Be Quiet System Power 9 600W Bronze, CM ML240L RGB and 2x Corsair AF120 White and a Phanteks LED strip. Total cost around $200.

It's a bit loud atm wIth the AF's spinning around 1200rpm, and the AIO-fans at 2000rpm under load, but the temps are awesome. A brand spanking new 4.1GHz overclock sees the hottest core max out at 72C (the other three cores 62C-65C) after consecutive CB-runs. (Score 446 btw). This with the fans mounted in pull-config with the pretty restrictive front panel of the P300.

The 780Ti stays below 70C,

This little beast struggles on, still playing AAA games on it

 

WIll follow up with the evolution of my X58's. Know you guys love some build photos

 

-snip-

Well darn, that's a beautiful looking rig you got there. I have an R7 in my main rig now, so I don't need to worry about stability. I should put my X58 rig back together in a different case and then I can mess around with it without having to stress about it if it doesn't work. Maybe even pick up some water-cooling parts if I have the spare cash, soft tubing isn't that expensive but still looks really good. 

[Glasare]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

Well darn, that's a beautiful looking rig you got there. I have an R7 in my main rig now, so I don't need to worry about stability. I should put my X58 rig back together in a different case and then I can mess around with it without having to stress about it if it doesn't work. Maybe even pick up some water-cooling parts if I have the spare cash, soft tubing isn't that expensive but still looks really good. 

Thanks

I have a 8700K/1070Ti main rig, so no worries here either.

And yeah you SHOULD put your X58 back together! Pick your cooling solution first and decide for a case based on that would be my advice. Or the other way around (you already know this ofc). And don't forget the aesthetics  

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Glasare said:

Thanks

I have a 8700K/1070Ti main rig, so no worries here either.

And yeah you SHOULD put your X58 back together! Pick your cooling solution first and decide for a case based on that would be my advice. Or the other way around (you already know this ofc). And don't forget the aesthetics  

Yee, currently the best cooler I have is a Gammaxx 400, which is pretty decent. I need to pick up something like an S340 Elite or one of the newer NZXT cases and a watercooler, I love the look of those boxes.

[Glasare]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Yee, currently the best cooler I have is a Gammaxx 400, which is pretty decent. I need to pick up something like an S340 Elite or one of the newer NZXT cases and a watercooler, I love the look of those boxes.

I modded the front on an S340 Elite for better AIO performance. Made a post about it here.

Today, I would make the same mod again, but for 2x 140mm, without the gap.

 

 

 

 

 

[Crunchy Dragon]

2 minutes ago, Glasare said:

I modded the front on an S340 Elite for better AIO performance. Made a post about it here.

Today, I would make the same mod again, but for 2x 140mm, without the gap

Just how bad was the AIO performance in the S340 Elite?

 

I've got a 2x120mm intake in the front of my S340 but haven't had any real problems with it.

[Glasare]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Just how bad was the AIO performance in the S340 Elite?

 

I've got a 2x120mm intake in the front of my S340 but haven't had any real problems with it.

The AIO performance wasn't ALL that bad. But on this P35/X5460-system the CPU-temps have never been the issue really.

The problem I had was the GPU/VRM/NB-temps. That mod made a bigger difference for those parts than for the CPU iirc.

It's a different setup now in the P300. Different cooler, fan speeds, voltages etc, so I can't really draw any conclusions.

 

[Glasare]

So.. Here's the X58-UD3R/W3680 system. This will be hooked up to my 1080p projector and the hifi in the livingroom.

 

It now has the 6x4GB Blue Dominator 1600 sticks, and tho the UD3R has two rear USB3 ports, I also added a PCIe card for two extra rear slots, and to be able to use the front I/O USB3. 

The 1060 6GB (Coldzero.eu backplate) also ended up in this system, aswell as another topmounted exhaust fan.

I'm still tweaking the OC on this one with one eye on the watt-meter, as this will be put to good use from time to time. It's graduated with a 4.5GHz OC and 1000+ CB, so I think I'll settle for a bit less power consumption for now. 24GB is probably overkill, but hey, I can borrow 12GB if I stumble across another X58 board.

 

Note that the front panel is not fully clicked in place. It just rests on the top mounting hole. This actually makes a big enough difference for me to bother with it. Maybe I'll figure out some solution with magnets to keep it in place a bit better.

 

[Intelfreak]

2 hours ago, Glasare said:

So.. Here's the X58-UD3R/W3680 system. This will be hooked up to my 1080p projector and the hifi in the livingroom.

 

It now has the 6x4GB Blue Dominator 1600 sticks, and tho the UD3R has two rear USB3 ports, I also added a PCIe card for two extra rear slots, and to be able to use the front I/O USB3. 

The 1060 6GB (Coldzero.eu backplate) also ended up in this system, aswell as another topmounted exhaust fan.

I'm still tweaking the OC on this one with one eye on the watt-meter, as this will be put to good use from time to time. It's graduated with a 4.5GHz OC and 1000+ CB, so I think I'll settle for a bit less power consumption for now. 24GB is probably overkill, but hey, I can borrow 12GB if I stumble across another X58 board.

 

Note that the front panel is not fully clicked in place. It just rests on the top mounting hole. This actually makes a big enough difference for me to bother with it. Maybe I'll figure out some solution with magnets to keep it in place a bit better.

 

That system looks great. Clean for cables and even so its put in a smaller case it dosent look cramp at all.

 

You can see my system here to compare.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/842134-general-x58-xeoni7-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=11475347