General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[bcredeur97]

22 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Anything that isn't a cheap, generic, Chinese X79 board is still, like, 300 CAD. Where are you finding stuff that's cheap?

I picked up a ASUS P9X79WS-IPMI (server board... came out of what appears to be some sort of specialized trading bot server made by a company called Orion)

for $120 (USD)

 

The downside? took me 5+ hours to get it working... ended up figuring out after I got the company to that sold it to me to send me the manual for the server it came out of that I had to add a jumper to the AUX panel on the board in a certain spot to override the "Missing speaker" failure that would not allow the PC to boot which I think is hilarious. (i also had to move some other jumpers around that were for diagnostics/server stuff but those weren't as critical)

Also the ASUS Ai Tweaker settings in bios are manufacture-locked with a password. seperate from the bios password... cannot as far as I can tell, circumvent it. May have to change BIOS chip... for now I just did my overclocking in the little asus windows tool which works surprisingly well.

 

It's a nice board... just beware the IPMI boards because they are completely different animals...

the $99 3960X(basically found cheapest one with a clean heatspreader)  I picked up is kind of garbage though.. it needed like 1.46V for 4.5GHz lol

[panther420]

10 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

I picked up a ASUS P9X79WS-IPMI (server board... came out of what appears to be some sort of specialized trading bot server made by a company called Orion)

for $120 (USD)

 

The downside? took me 5+ hours to get it working... ended up figuring out after I got the company to that sold it to me to send me the manual for the server it came out of that I had to add a jumper to the AUX panel on the board in a certain spot to override the "Missing speaker" failure that would not allow the PC to boot which I think is hilarious. (i also had to move some other jumpers around that were for diagnostics/server stuff but those weren't as critical)

Also the ASUS Ai Tweaker settings in bios are manufacture-locked with a password. seperate from the bios password... cannot as far as I can tell, circumvent it. May have to change BIOS chip... for now I just did my overclocking in the little asus windows tool which works surprisingly well.

 

It's a nice board... just beware the IPMI boards because they are completely different animals...

the $99 3960X(basically found cheapest one with a clean heatspreader)  I picked up is kind of garbage though.. it needed like 1.46V for 4.5GHz lol

Wow, that's a nice deal. Sucks that it took you so long to fix it, but I had the same issue with my Gigabyte EX58-UD5 with my Xeon (until just now!!) and I don't think either my board or yours are indicative of the experience for all users of our respective platforms.

 

My only question is where did you get the deal? Did you look local? Because for most people those good local deals are out of reach. I got my EX58-UD5 for only $20 after getting FreeGeek's volunteer credit, but I don't expect most people to get that kind of deal.

[kelvinhall05]

13 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

I picked up a ASUS P9X79WS-IPMI (server board... came out of what appears to be some sort of specialized trading bot server made by a company called Orion)

for $120 (USD)

 

The downside? took me 5+ hours to get it working... ended up figuring out after I got the company to that sold it to me to send me the manual for the server it came out of that I had to add a jumper to the AUX panel on the board in a certain spot to override the "Missing speaker" failure that would not allow the PC to boot which I think is hilarious. (i also had to move some other jumpers around that were for diagnostics/server stuff but those weren't as critical)

Also the ASUS Ai Tweaker settings in bios are manufacture-locked with a password. seperate from the bios password... cannot as far as I can tell, circumvent it. May have to change BIOS chip... for now I just did my overclocking in the little asus windows tool which works surprisingly well.

 

It's a nice board... just beware the IPMI boards because they are completely different animals...

the $99 3960X(basically found cheapest one with a clean heatspreader)  I picked up is kind of garbage though.. it needed like 1.46V for 4.5GHz lol

Idk...I still think X58 is a better investment.

[bcredeur97]

Just now, panther420 said:

Wow, that's a nice deal. Sucks that it took you so long to fix it, but I had the same issue with my Gigabyte EX58-UD5 with my Xeon (until just now!!) and I don't think either my board or yours are indicative of the experience for all users of our respective platforms.

 

My only question is where did you get the deal? Did you look local? Because for most people those good local deals are out of reach. I got my EX58-UD5 for only $20 after getting FreeGeek's volunteer credit, but I don't expect most people to get that kind of deal.

eBay a couple months ago

I did it after I got my hands on a GTX 1080ti, and seeing as my old Z77 biostar board with a 3570k was not even close to good enough to run such a card, that was my cheapest move. a 3770k wouldn't of been much better and I needed to get rid of that junk motherboard anyway...

 

even the 3960X is barely enough for the 1080ti. though I feel if I could get it to 4.8GHz it would be fine... just can't though

[panther420]

Just now, bcredeur97 said:

eBay a couple months ago

I did it after I got my hands on a GTX 1080ti, and seeing as my old Z77 biostar board with a 3570k was not even close to good enough to run such a card, that was my cheapest move. a 3770k wouldn't of been much better and I needed to get rid of that junk motherboard anyway...

 

even the 3960X is barely enough for the 1080ti. though I feel if I could get it to 4.8GHz it would be fine... just can't though

Interesting, was it a bid? Last time I checked those boards go for at least $200, ESPECIALLY those WS ones (people like to slap a pretty price on those since they're a little rarer). 

[bcredeur97]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

Idk...I still think X58 is a better investment.

probably is in most scenarios... I just found something I thought I could make work and I did.

 

But... yeah X58 is still plenty good. I just had the whole 1080ti situation to deal with... which I admit, is a very extreme first world problem LOL

[kelvinhall05]

Just now, bcredeur97 said:

probably is in most scenarios... I just found something I thought I could make work and I did.

 

But... yeah X58 is still plenty good. I just had the whole 1080ti situation to deal with... which I admit, is a very extreme first world problem LOL

True. I wasn't questioning your decision since you did get a good deal, but I'm saying that I've found X58 to be cheaper than X79.

[bcredeur97]

Just now, panther420 said:

Interesting, was it a bid? Last time I checked those boards go for at least $200, ESPECIALLY those WS ones (people like to slap a pretty price on those since they're a little rarer). 

it wasn't.... it's just that those IPMI boards have limitations. And the seller knew that... I knew it as well.

It was listed for a bit more... I made him what I thought was too low of an offer just to see what he would counter me with (which btw if you ever get low offers on ebay it may just be *that* the person wants to know how low you will go) . to my surprise he accepted it.

[panther420]

1 minute ago, bcredeur97 said:

it wasn't.... it's just that those IPMI boards have limitations. And the seller knew that... I knew it as well.

It was listed for a bit more... I made him what I thought was too low of an offer just to see what he would counter me with (which btw if you ever get low offers on ebay it may just be *that* the person wants to know how low you will go) . to my surprise he accepted it.

Oh I see. Didn't know Asus had such a drastic difference between their IPMI and non-IPMI boards.

[bcredeur97]

7 minutes ago, panther420 said:

Oh I see. Didn't know Asus had such a drastic difference between their IPMI and non-IPMI boards.

the IPMI boards weren't available for consumers -- they were strictly server boards made available to OEM's. and they could put their own customizations on them.

By far the most interesting thing to me is that Orion, the company who got the particular board I got, actually preloaded it with Overclock profiles (which I mistakenly, deleted.) -- they expected the end user to overclock on these boards, but only with their settings. the reasoning for this is the system this came out with was made for high-frequency stock market trading -- and every little drop of performance counts.

I assume the potential downtime from an unstable overclock doesn't matter for this sort of thing? Crazy to me that "overclocking" is sometimes done in a server environment. and they were legit OC's too... they ranged from 4.8 - 5 GHz with varying memory speeds...(which you also can't control manually -- which stinks) (i'm also not sure what voltages they had pre-set)

 

I did email Orion's support to see if I could get the password removed on mine but I didn't get a reply... I should probably call them.

 

One of these.. but a bit older: https://ciaratech.com/products/servers/orion-hf/

[Razor Blade]

Well I've finally deployed my new NAS and taken my old i7 950 gaming PC (turned into a freenas box) offline... It was kind of sad to click the "shutdown" link for the last time...it has been faithful and reliable for the past 6 months. Even as a collection of mostly garbage parts and an ancient gaming PC.

[Zando_]

16 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

True. I wasn't questioning your decision since you did get a good deal, but I'm saying that I've found X58 to be cheaper than X79.

Also, there's more overclockable Xeons for X58 than pretty much every other relevant Intel platform IIRC. 

[M300843499]

Anybody else here come across this? is it a glitch?

 

In my bios the RAM is just over 1600mhz (1680mhz or near that) 

 

But in Windows 10 it shows a 1333mhz ratio?

 

I am using a C state enabled (voltage offset) Overclock which is quick and dirty yet nice and stable. 4300mhz.

 

 

 

[M300843499]

1.42v 4500mhz lowered RAM timings and lowered RAM offset (1730mhz is no go)

 

Triple channel, 2x4 1x8 16GB.

 

C state overclock.

 

CPU PLL 1.82

IOH 1.35

DRAM core 1.3

DRAM 1.6 (1.5v dimms)

Extreme phase enabled

Spread spectrum (2 of these both on) Oddly it mentions to turn them off for stability but it does the reverse for me.

PCI-E OC 101mhz

PCI-E voltage 1.6

 

[NoxiousOdor]

44 minutes ago, M300843499 said:

Anybody else here come across this? is it a glitch?

 

In my bios the RAM is just over 1600mhz (1680mhz or near that) 

 

But in Windows 10 it shows a 1333mhz ratio?

 

I am using a C state enabled (voltage offset) Overclock which is quick and dirty yet nice and stable. 4300mhz.

 

 

 

 

I have seen this yes, I don't know why it does it but it has done the same thing for my system

[M300843499]

4.636ghz on same settings as 4500mhz unstable BSOD after loading Google Chrome, confirms 4500mhz stability.

 

IRQ not equal or Less is a CPU voltage issue meaning 1.42v is not enough to feed 4.63ghz

 

 

Heck even image capture failed, i captured it but it's corrupt

 

1.42 is as high as i am willing to go, intel specs these Xeon''s as a maximum of 1.4

 

I hit 400 points in CPU-Z single thread and 2111 multi thread which is a sexy boost!

 

[NoxiousOdor]

15 minutes ago, M300843499 said:

4.636ghz on same settings as 4500mhz unstable BSOD after loading Google Chrome, confirms 4500mhz stability.

 

IRQ not equal or Less is a CPU voltage issue meaning 1.42v is not enough to feed 4.63ghz

 

 

Heck even image capture failed, i captured it but it's corrupt

 

1.42 is as high as i am willing to go, intel specs these Xeon''s as a maximum of 1.4

 

I hit 400 points in CPU-Z single thread and 2111 multi thread which is a sexy boost!

 

 

Very cool! that is pretty good! I am hoping to also hit 4.5 with my system once I finish my cooling system. It is a really good speed to hit

 

Have you run cinebench?

[M300843499]

Just now, WhisperingKnickers said:

Very cool! that is pretty good! I am hoping to also hit 4.5 with my system once I finish my cooling system. It is a really good speed to hit

 

Have you run cinebench?

I will when i get chance, just installed Windows 10 lol, will bench it for the thread

[M300843499]

I am frankly shocked.

 

[Ground]

Anyone looking for an EVGA SR-2 in the UK or US? Check ebay, in the UK there is one up for auction starting at 183£/350£ buy it now and one in the US for 250$ buy it now, with worldwide shipping...

[NoxiousOdor]

1 hour ago, Ground said:

Anyone looking for an EVGA SR-2 in the UK or US? Check ebay, in the UK there is one up for auction starting at 183£/350£ buy it now and one in the US for 250$ buy it now, with worldwide shipping...

Nice! I bought mine for $250! Though the shipping was $80

[MaratM]

Hi

I just got a corsair venegeance 2400mHz kit

asus p6t does not allow to set dram voltage at 1,65, only 1,64 or 1,66

thus it fails to post at 2400mHz but works fine at 2000mHz with tighter timings

is it safe to use 1,66 volts?

[Ground]

Up to 1.7V should be about safe, but its really unlikely that you can get over 2000 to work for a daily system, many have issues running that even. Make sure to keep your QPI/VTT within 0.5V of DRAM Voltage (so at least 1.2V at 1.7, though you‘ll probably need more at that speed)

[MaratM]

1 hour ago, Ground said:

Up to 1.7V should be about safe, but its really unlikely that you can get over 2000 to work for a daily system, many have issues running that even. Make sure to keep your QPI/VTT within 0.5V of DRAM Voltage (so at least 1.2V at 1.7, though you‘ll probably need more at that speed)

So I'm better to stick to 2000mHz and try to keep the timings as tight as possible?

[Ground]

11 minutes ago, MaratM said:

So I'm better to stick to 2000mHz and try to keep the timings as tight as possible?

Yeah that probably a good idea.