General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[This kid builds pc]

On 2/13/2018 at 12:43 PM, WhisperingKnickers said:

If I can get the bclk unlocked (I think it is an issue with the ram xmp settings) I am going to OC as high as I can and ignore temps so I can get a killer cinebench score. I need less than 100 pts to beat the fastest non LN2 cooled ryzen 1800x on the LTT scores

Hey man can you link me to the fastest 1800x? I'm gonna try to beat it.

[FlatBrokeRacing]

Well looks like i just joined the ranks of the X58 club. Been looking for some old hardware to fiddle with for a gaming machine ended up purchasing an Asus P6T Delux X58 mobo with a I7-920 cpu. so once i won that auction i decided lets pick up an Xeon X5680, now i'm searching for 6x4gb of DDR3 memory which to my complete surprise is freaking RIDICULOUSLY priced right now wtf! but once i knock down some memory and i'll throw a system together and start overclocking. 

[Zando_]

19 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

Well looks like i just joined the ranks of the X58 club. Been looking for some old hardware to fiddle with for a gaming machine ended up purchasing an Asus P6T Delux X58 mobo with a I7-920 cpu. so once i won that auction i decided lets pick up an Xeon X5680, now i'm searching for 6x4gb of DDR3 memory which to my complete surprise is freaking RIDICULOUSLY priced right now wtf! but once i knock down some memory and i'll throw a system together and start overclocking. 

Welcome! And the Xeon you have should be dope, I'm assuming from the number it's in between the X5675 I have and an X5690 ( @WhisperingKnickers has two in his SR-2, beastly CPUs), and I have no problems running all my games maxed out (It's paired with 16GB DDR3 and a 980 Ti). And I think the smaller sticks are more expensive sometimes (especially high performance 3x2GB kits) because they can OC higher. I got 2x8GB for $60 from a guy on the forums here, and another 2x4GB for $30, so if you look around you will find a deal. 

[kelvinhall05]

So I've been reading this thread, am I, like, the ONLY one with a Sabertooth board?

[This kid builds pc]

4 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Welcome! And the Xeon you have should be dope, I'm assuming from the number it's in between the X5675 I have and an X5690 ( @WhisperingKnickers has two in his SR-2, beastly CPUs), and I have no problems running all my games maxed out (It's paired with 16GB DDR3 and a 980 Ti). And I think the smaller sticks are more expensive sometimes (especially high performance 3x2GB kits) because they can OC higher. I got 2x8GB for $60 from a guy on the forums here, and another 2x4GB for $30, so if you look around you will find a deal. 

All ram right now is kinda overpriced rn. 8gb should be around 20$ and 16 should be about 50 when talking about ddr3. Do you guys think I should sell my 2600k and P67 mobo and get x58? I think x58 is pretty cool, but idk if it would be worth it.

[bimmerman]

6 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

All ram right now is kinda overpriced rn. 8gb should be around 20$ and 16 should be about 50 when talking about ddr3. Do you guys think I should sell my 2600k and P67 mobo and get x58? I think x58 is pretty cool, but idk if it would be worth it.

No.

 

That would be a lateral move at best, especially if your 2600k is overclocked (it's the i7 right?).

 

IMO, X58 xeon really only makes sense if you already own the motherboard and memory and just want a quick upgrade without much effort. If you're going to be spending ~$200+ on computer bits, get something newer.

 

I've had my setup since 2010, so the $60 Xeon chip was an easy sell vs $xxx to build a new computer. Without having those parts already, it's not worth it.

[This kid builds pc]

34 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

No.

 

That would be a lateral move at best, especially if your 2600k is overclocked (it's the i7 right?).

 

IMO, X58 xeon really only makes sense if you already own the motherboard and memory and just want a quick upgrade without much effort. If you're going to be spending ~$200+ on computer bits, get something newer.

 

I've had my setup since 2010, so the $60 Xeon chip was an easy sell vs $xxx to build a new computer. Without having those parts already, it's not worth it.

Thanks man.

[Zando_]

45 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

No.

 

That would be a lateral move at best, especially if your 2600k is overclocked (it's the i7 right?).

 

IMO, X58 xeon really only makes sense if you already own the motherboard and memory and just want a quick upgrade without much effort. If you're going to be spending ~$200+ on computer bits, get something newer.

 

I've had my setup since 2010, so the $60 Xeon chip was an easy sell vs $xxx to build a new computer. Without having those parts already, it's not worth it.

Eh, debatable. I bought my X5675 and ASUS Rampage III Formula mob for $120, then RAM for $60, and haven't had any cause to regret it thus far... other than the fact I haven't been able to hackintosh it yet. Paired with my 980 Ti that I got last year just before the crypto boom, it's a dope setup. 

[NoxiousOdor]

1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

No.

 

That would be a lateral move at best, especially if your 2600k is overclocked (it's the i7 right?).

 

IMO, X58 xeon really only makes sense if you already own the motherboard and memory and just want a quick upgrade without much effort. If you're going to be spending ~$200+ on computer bits, get something newer.

 

I've had my setup since 2010, so the $60 Xeon chip was an easy sell vs $xxx to build a new computer. Without having those parts already, it's not worth it.

 

32 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Eh, debatable. I bought my X5675 and ASUS Rampage III Formula mob for $120, then RAM for $60, and haven't had any cause to regret it thus far... other than the fact I haven't been able to hackintosh it yet. Paired with my 980 Ti that I got last year just before the crypto boom, it's a dope setup. 

 

43 minutes ago, This kid builds pc said:

Thanks man.

 

 

@This kid builds pc I would keep an eye on ebay or whatever used market you have where you live, it isnt all that hard to find good deals on x58. If you can find a something like an x5675 for less than $100 and a motherboard for less than $100 that is still probably worth it. Realistically you should be able to get a cpu and a motherboard for less than 150usd total which is worth it if you are on a budget. I wouldn't pay much more than that for the combo though unless you do what I did and are building it simply because you are a fan of x58 and want a good x58 setup. If you are doing it for price/performance reasons it should be too hard to find stuff pretty cheap if you keep your eye on the market

[FlatBrokeRacing]

8 hours ago, This kid builds pc said:

All ram right now is kinda overpriced rn. 8gb should be around 20$ and 16 should be about 50 when talking about ddr3. Do you guys think I should sell my 2600k and P67 mobo and get x58? I think x58 is pretty cool, but idk if it would be worth it.

Yeah i bought a 32gig kit of Dominator Platinum 2133 DDR3 for my 4790k system last fall and paid like $194CAD for it off ebay. Seems like for a 4gig stick people want 34ish USD which is full retail and aint happening lol. I have one 2x4gig kit here, but want to utilize the 3 channel memory config and well, all the ram slots haha. So the hunt will continue until i either find something or break down and buy new.

 

13 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Welcome! And the Xeon you have should be dope, I'm assuming from the number it's in between the X5675 I have and an X5690 ( @WhisperingKnickers has two in his SR-2, beastly CPUs), and I have no problems running all my games maxed out (It's paired with 16GB DDR3 and a 980 Ti). And I think the smaller sticks are more expensive sometimes (especially high performance 3x2GB kits) because they can OC higher. I got 2x8GB for $60 from a guy on the forums here, and another 2x4GB for $30, so if you look around you will find a deal. 

I purchased the board with an I7 920 for $126CAD, plan to try selling the 920 for 5bux

Bought a 5660 for $56CAD, while bidding on a 5680 and ended up winning that as well for $86CAD

Won an auction on a GTX770 for $100CAD

bought a new Patriot 240gig SSD for $89CAD

Phanteks P400 for $67

Have a EVGA 750w psu in laying around

Have 8gigs of HyperX memory laying around

plan to slap a 1tb hdd in so that will be another $55

CPU Cooler, something better than a 212evo $60cad

 

overall i think tax/shipping i'll be into thid build somewhere in the $550 range depending on what the final toll for memory will be. Not to bad for a budget 1080P gamer IMHO

 

So by the time i sell the i7-920/ X5660 I should recoup some of the wasted money back. Be a fun system to throw together and run some benchmarks with and then either sell on kijiji to recoup some cash or give away to a buddy for gaming.

 

sometimes being bored on ebay can lead to bad spending habbits, but i like tinkering haha.

[asand1]

11 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

So I've been reading this thread, am I, like, the ONLY one with a Sabertooth board?

I also have a Sabertooth X58. They are pretty awesome IMHO.

[Zando_]

8 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

Yeah i bought a 32gig kit of Dominator Platinum 2133 DDR3 for my 4790k system last fall and paid like $194CAD for it off ebay. Seems like for a 4gig stick people want 34ish USD which is full retail and aint happening lol. I have one 2x4gig kit here, but want to utilize the 3 channel memory config and well, all the ram slots haha. So the hunt will continue until i either find something or break down and buy new.

 

I purchased the board with an I7 920 for $126CAD, plan to try selling the 920 for 5bux

Bought a 5660 for $56CAD, while bidding on a 5680 and ended up winning that as well for $86CAD

Won an auction on a GTX770 for $100CAD

bought a new Patriot 240gig SSD for $89CAD

Phanteks P400 for $67

Have a EVGA 750w psu in laying around

Have 8gigs of HyperX memory laying around

plan to slap a 1tb hdd in so that will be another $55

CPU Cooler, something better than a 212evo $60cad

 

overall i think tax/shipping i'll be into thid build somewhere in the $550 range depending on what the final toll for memory will be. Not to bad for a budget 1080P gamer IMHO

 

So by the time i sell the i7-920/ X5660 I should recoup some of the wasted money back. Be a fun system to throw together and run some benchmarks with and then either sell on kijiji to recoup some cash or give away to a buddy for gaming.

 

sometimes being bored on ebay can lead to bad spending habbits, but i like tinkering haha.

lol. Noice deals, and I concur with the being bored around computer parts for sale... I have a bad habit of buying too much stuff (did just buy a Mac Pro 1,1 and 2 quad core 3GHz LGA771 Xeons to upgrade it with... managed to get it running El Capitan as well) 

[Lyssy]

Hi, I have gigabyte ud7 rev 2.0, bios FC7 and xeon x5675. You think that I need a bios update to FD because I have problems with the update.

Spoiler

 

[FlatBrokeRacing]

current cinebench score of 1008 with my X5680 @ 4.5ghz (1.325V). This chip was stable up to 3.9ghz @ 1.22 volts, so currently i think i am at the limit of my blck and i'm maxed @ 26 on the multiplier. For some reason i cannot get the memory to 1600mhz. Even if i back of the memory speed, and the multipler, and try to up the blck its not happy. Sad saying i'm sure this isnt a CPU limitation more of a motherboard limitation. Temps are really good at the moment with a H55i AIO and dual fans on the radiator. Still waiting for memory to show up (will be 24gb total). So far i am super impressed with this. Its near my 4790k in performance.

 

So i got addicted and wanted to look into getting an EVGA SR-2 board for dual chips... well LOL at the prices of those. jeebus they must have been made of gold!

[Zando_]

5 hours ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

current cinebench score of 1008 with my X5680 @ 4.5ghz (1.325V). This chip was stable up to 3.9ghz @ 1.22 volts, so currently i think i am at the limit of my blck and i'm maxed @ 26 on the multiplier. For some reason i cannot get the memory to 1600mhz. Even if i back of the memory speed, and the multipler, and try to up the blck its not happy. Sad saying i'm sure this isnt a CPU limitation more of a motherboard limitation. Temps are really good at the moment with a H55i AIO and dual fans on the radiator. Still waiting for memory to show up (will be 24gb total). So far i am super impressed with this. Its near my 4790k in performance.

 

So i got addicted and wanted to look into getting an EVGA SR-2 board for dual chips... well LOL at the prices of those. jeebus they must have been made of gold!

lol. @WhisperingKnickers has one he got for $400, which is only a bit more than the original MSRP. And noice score! Mine is somewhere around 900+ with my X5675 at 4.4GHz (1.35v). My memory is somewhere around 1600MHz I think, though I used mostly auto settings since I don't know my way around (but hey, it works! ). what RAM do you have? I've got HyperX Savage, which is pretty dope RAM. Scored 2x8GB for $60. 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

i got a deal for a P6T X58 board from Asus and X5670 for $190

those are bundles should i get it

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

i got a deal for a P6T X58 board from Asus and X5670 for $190

those are bundles should i get it

Looks like a decent deal. You can get better ones, but I think that's mostly in the US, and IIRC you're in a different country, right? 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Looks like a decent deal. You can get better ones, but I think that's mostly in the US, and IIRC you're in a different country, right? 

yes, and if not i can just buy a $182 R9 280(X if i remember) and buy an used Xeon for LGA 771 for my LGA 775 System i already have

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

yes, and if not i can just buy a $182 R9 280(X if i remember) and buy an used Xeon for LGA 771 for my LGA 775 System i already have

hmmmmm.... I'd go for the X58 Xeon setup, should be able to overclock to 4GHz at least. LGA771 Xeons aren't that strong anymore (I have a Mac Pro 1,1 which has LGA771 Xeons). 

[Ordinarily_Greater]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

hmmmmm.... I'd go for the X58 Xeon setup, should be able to overclock to 4GHz at least. LGA771 Xeons aren't that strong anymore (I have a Mac Pro 1,1 which has LGA771 Xeons). 

ok, so what should i do with my old CPU and Mobo then, sell it for how many would you think?

and is a GTX 950 2GB good?

[FlatBrokeRacing]

1 hour ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

ok, so what should i do with my old CPU and Mobo then, sell it for how many would you think?

and is a GTX 950 2GB good?

my personal recommendation.

 

put your old mobo/cpu/memory in a case with a hard drive and sell it on your local buy/sell pages. Its the easiest way to make atleast a buck out of it or break even. The X58 setup is a phenomenal performer for how old it is IMHO. I'm cinnebenching right around a Ryzen 1600's score which for what an 8year old setup is pretty killer. My only gripes with the X58 setup, is Sata 3gb vs sata 6gb, lack of usb 3 and only pcie gen 2 but are not be all end all's. 

 

As for the video card, i highly recommend finding a card with 3-4gb of vram for modern titles. A GTX770 4gb, or a 780,970 or the AMD equivalent are recommended. The 2gb cards while still playable limit the games graphics settings due to memory size more than card ability.

[FlatBrokeRacing]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

lol. @WhisperingKnickers has one he got for $400, which is only a bit more than the original MSRP. And noice score! Mine is somewhere around 900+ with my X5675 at 4.4GHz (1.35v). My memory is somewhere around 1600MHz I think, though I used mostly auto settings since I don't know my way around (but hey, it works! ). what RAM do you have? I've got HyperX Savage, which is pretty dope RAM. Scored 2x8GB for $60. 

I've got HyperX 1600 memory in it right now. I have some mixed kits coming to try and bring that out to 6x4gb. The memory on this system can be pushed into the high 1400mhz but doesnt like going above 1550mhz. I just have a feeling the chip doesnt like the high memory speeds. So knowing that i'm willing to mix some memory (gskill, and corsair vengange with the hyperx) to get more memory and tripple channel vs dual channel i'm at now.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

1 minute ago, FlatBrokeRacing said:

my personal recommendation.

 

put your old mobo/cpu/memory in a case with a hard drive and sell it on your local buy/sell pages. Its the easiest way to make atleast a buck out of it or break even. The X58 setup is a phenomenal performer for how old it is IMHO. I'm cinnebenching right around a Ryzen 1600's score which for what an 8year old setup is pretty killer. My only gripes with the X58 setup, is Sata 3gb vs sata 6gb, lack of usb 3 and only pcie gen 2 but are not be all end all's. 

 

As for the video card, i highly recommend finding a card with 3-4gb of vram for modern titles. A GTX770 4gb, or a 780,970 or the AMD equivalent are recommended. The 2gb cards while still playable limit the games graphics settings due to memory size more than card ability.

ok, so i will sell the old system and get that X58 bundle

but now i found 2 deals on GPU

R9 285 for $145

R9 380 for $170

which one? and any tips on X58?

[FlatBrokeRacing]

11 minutes ago, Ordinarily_Greater said:

ok, so i will sell the old system and get that X58 bundle

but now i found 2 deals on GPU

R9 285 for $145

R9 380 for $170

which one? and any tips on X58?

I would take the r9 380 over the 285 just because of VRAM (the 380 4gb > 285 2gb). Performance will be similar. best tip i could give, is bargain hunt an SSD for a boot drive, and find something atleast as decent as a Hyper 212 for CPU cooling, but better yet step into a noctua Nh-d12 or above, even a 120mm AIO if you want to push overclocks. If you can hit 4.3ghz+ on the 6 core xeons you'll be set for quite awhile cpu wise IMHO.

 

my parts break down in CAD is roughly this (parts pricing is rounded up)

 

Case $70

Motherboard $125

Cpu $80

Memory $140

PSU $100

SSD $90

Cooler $80

1tb mechanical $60

GTX770 $120

 

the ssd,psu,hdd,cpu cooler,case are all 'new' purchases for the build. the more you bargain hunt the better. but for what i have invested into it, its a pretty sweet gaming/daily rig and easily holds its own with my Haswell or skylake systems. if you convert the CAD to USD prices, its somewhere in the $500usd range and thats only because i decided to buy some new things as this system will probably be sold off to a friend or local buysell so certain things i just like to have new.

[Ordinarily_Greater]

Just now, FlatBrokeRacing said:

I would take the r9 380 over the 285 just because of VRAM (the 380 4gb > 285 2gb). Performance will be similar. best tip i could give, is bargain hunt an SSD for a boot drive, and find something atleast as decent as a Hyper 212 for CPU cooling, but better yet step into a noctua Nh-d12 or above, even a 120mm AIO if you want to push overclocks. If you can hit 4.3ghz+ on the 6 core xeons you'll be set for quite awhile cpu wise IMHO.

what about my old stock cooler, i guess bad idea

so $66 for NH-U14S (will it fit and support it?)

$119 for Meshify C for better airflow (i am in Southeast Asia)

$93 for SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 550W

$90 for Samsung 850 Evo 250GB SSD (SATA III 2.5")

all are new, what about those???