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6 minutes ago, Intelfreak said:

Intel CPU´s shut not be running above 80 C and if possible for 24/7 max load over long periodes of time 75 C is to prefer.

Is that only for 32nm? I have a HP Z400 with a Xeon W3550 (i7-950) and load temps are close to 90C.

 

Here is some old screenshot from 2016

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PC 5: Intel Xeon W3550 @ 3.07GHz, HP (X58), 8GB DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 (GPU: 1050MHz MEM: 1250MHz), 120GB SSD, 2TB, 1TB and 500GB HDD

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5 minutes ago, Pasi123 said:

Is that only for 32nm? I have a HP Z400 with a Xeon W3550 (i7-950) and load temps are close to 90C.

 

Here is some old screenshot from 2016

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X58 CPU´s thermal throttle at 101C, but as you properly know. The hotter a CPU runs, the faster it is worn out or degrade as it is also called. Also the hotter a CPU runs, the more unstable the silicon will become and that can effect stability, like high overclock and high stress workload like AVX512 newer intel cpu´s has on the CPU and can cause system crash or corrupt files because of calculating error.

 

I would never runs any CPU above 80C over a long time. You can also see in your screenshot that the temp warning degreed is red or meaning it is in the danger zone temperature wise.

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Intel CPUs do not start to thermal throttle and slow down until they reach or exceed their, "maximum safe operating temperature".  That is a core temperature of 100°C for the majority of their CPUs including the Xeon X58 W series.  If the CPU is not thermal throttling, it is in the safe zone.  If Intel thought that this temperature was not safe, they would have lowered the throttling temperature. 

 

It is not until a core temperature of 125°C to 130°C when an Intel CPU will shut itself down to protect against any long term damage.

 

There is nothing wrong with limiting your CPU to a maximum core temperature of 80°C but Intel says that there is no reason to do this.  Their CPUs do a great job of looking after themselves.

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21 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

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Intel CPUs do not start to thermal throttle and slow down until they reach or exceed their, "maximum safe operating temperature".  That is a core temperature of 100°C for the majority of their CPUs including the Xeon X58 W series.  If the CPU is not thermal throttling, it is in the safe zone.  If Intel thought that this temperature was not safe, they would have lowered the throttling temperature. 

 

It is not until a core temperature of 125°C to 130°C when an Intel CPU will shut itself down to protect against any long term damage.

 

There is nothing wrong with limiting your CPU to a maximum core temperature of 80°C but Intel says that there is no reason to do this.  Their CPUs do a great job of looking after themselves.

No matter what, i will still not operate my cpu close to throttle point and also that dosent change that hot running cpu's degrades faster than the ones running chill.

 

Running a cpu hot may not effect people that have the same cpu for 2-4 years, but for some one like me that have the same cpu for at least 6 years or more (i had my i7 920 for 8 years before i replaced it with my current i7 980X), i would get concerned running a cpu close to throttle point every day for years. I stay at max 80C or lower.

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I generally try to target 85c during a P95 so during normal heavier loads it's in the 50-70c range, my X5675 has kept needing a little more vcore though and I'm at 4.6@1.41v. When I was doing something that was maxing the cpu and gpu though it got pretty toasty so I stuck a box fan against it. Gave it a good clean, some fresh thermal paste and the NH-D14 a bath in the sink. That fixed up my temps.

 

I don't worry about it too too much about the long term though as I don't think X58 will stay competitive for many more years to come as core density increases like crazy and single thread performance is approaching double. The stock intel cooler, I think I remember constantly being in the 90's with my old i7 930 in an Antec 900 before I got a NH-D14.

 

It's not like X5675's are getting rare or more expensive either, if LGA1366 stuff gets any cheaper making them into a keychain would be about the only way to increase their value. Hell, for a while it was cheaper to buy a E5520 than a plastic socket protector lmao. I'd be more concerned about stressing low end boards and having major failures nowadays.

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Even if it sad to leave this great community it is time to move on. X58 is a great platform in many aspects especially price-performance even in modern time. Unfortunately computers are not wine and classic cars. They do not get better with age nor they become vintage (except the really high end, limited edition parts as collection items)

So I moved to 8700k on z170 board topped up with 32 gb of ram and gtx1080ti.

The biggest problem was legacy of x58) my samsung 950pro was set up to be compatible with legacy bios, however nvme drives have to be set up differently for modern platform. It took me a little while to figure it all out, but at the end its all up and running with my old windows.

Here is some pictures of my new rig

 

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5 minutes ago, MaratM said:

Even if it sad to leave this great community it is time to move on. X58 is a great platform in many aspects especially price-performance even in modern time. Unfortunately computers are not wine and classic cars. They do not get better with age nor they become vintage (except the really high end, limited edition parts as collection items)

So I moved to 8700k on z170 board topped up with 32 gb of ram and gtx1080ti.

The biggest problem was legacy of x58) my samsung 950pro was set up to be compatible with legacy bios, however nvme drives have to be set up differently for modern platform. It took me a little while to figure it all out, but at the end its all up and running with my old windows.

Here is some pictures of my new rig

 

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Nooooooo you traitor, how cut you.

It's alright. Infact on may 22 this year i have been on x58 for 10 dam years, a hole decade.

 

 

So i have also desided that its time to move on. I'm just waiting for intel to release there next HEDT paltform and amd to release threadripper 3. And them i will deside what way i will go.

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1 hour ago, Intelfreak said:

Nooooooo you traitor, how cut you.

It's alright. Infact on may 22 this year i have been on x58 for 10 dam years, a hole decade.

 

 

So i have also desided that its time to move on. I'm just waiting for intel to release there next HEDT paltform and amd to release threadripper 3. And them i will deside what way i will go.

As far as I remember at the time x58 was actually affordable platform with 6 gig of ddr3 ram and 920 it was a top of the line performer, nowdays with x299 prices twice as much as z370 and HEDT chips with high premium it is not really as affordable as it was 10 years ago. And on top of that I do not see an easy way to upgrade modern HEDT platform the way x58 or even x79 is now. I think 8700k or 9700k will be working without need to upgrade for next 5 years. Intel learned its lesson)

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I mean my daily got moved to x79 until zen 2 is at a pricepoint I can afford. x58 is my bench only system though for me that mean its still getting quite a bit of use :P 

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Found a deal for an EVGA X58 SLI for C$50. Is this a good deal (now that Ryzen 3000 has been released)?

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$50 canadian, yeah sounds like a steal. Used hardware can be really expensive up there too.

 

Some of those EVGA boards need a couple contacts bridged if you want to run a dual QPI xeon. W series and i7 skus work in them fine though.

 

I went to a local thrift store and they had an X79 motherboard I couldn't ID through the case with an i7-3820 and 16gb of ram for $150 but quad cores are boring. Instead I picked up for $40, a beat to crap case with a ROG Crosshair IV Extreme build in it with some other goodies from that era. Luckily I have a Phenom X6 kicking around and spare ECC memory from my X58 builds to round it out.

 

Gonna make an incredible space heater HTPC for my buddy with the GTX 570 I got on top in a trade. Only reason I can find someone got rid of it was the cmos battery was dead and either the pump or northbridge fan is dying. Or the Phenom II 965 was too slow nowadays. The like new looking Rosewill Hive 750w, rusty Corsair H70 and two HD6870's without a crossfire bridge and 2x4GB of G.Skill Ripjaws were just extra on top.

 

Initially checked out a couple Mac Pro's for $50-100 but both were DDR2 sadly and neither dual socket. Always on the look for X58 stuff when I can, but good deals on them just don't seem to come up unless they're from friends/family.

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18 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Some of those EVGA boards need a couple contacts bridged if you want to run a dual QPI xeon. W series and i7 skus work in them fine though

Specific W Xeons, I think just one, maybe two that are 32nm but not Westmere-EP. I have a W one (forget the name) that didn't work in my EVGA boards, had to do the Westmere-EP mod as per normal.

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$300 CAD for this PC: 

Thinking of throwing in a X5675 (which is compatible with the motherboard according to ASUS), swapping out the video card for something better, and putting in a proper CPU cooler. 

 

This will be a general purpose PC for things like schoolwork and gaming.

 

Good deal or not?

 

EDIT: Doesn't come with any storage. So I'll throw in one of the many HDDs lying around at home, and I'll buy a MX500 SSD. 

CPU: Intel Core i7-950 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R CPU Cooler: NZXT HAVIK 140 RAM: Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 (1x2GB), Crucial DDR3-1600 (2x4GB), Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 (1x4GB) GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 770 DirectCU II 2GB SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" 1TB HDDs: WD Green 3.5" 1TB, WD Blue 3.5" 1TB PSU: Corsair AX860i & CableMod ModFlex Cables Case: Fractal Design Meshify C TG (White) Fans: 2x Dynamic X2 GP-12 Monitors: LG 24GL600F, Samsung S24D390 Keyboard: Logitech G710+ Mouse: Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Mouse Pad: Steelseries QcK Audio: Bose SoundSport In-Ear Headphones

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4 hours ago, r2724r16 said:

$300 CAD for this PC: 

Thinking of throwing in a X5675 (which is compatible with the motherboard according to ASUS), swapping out the video card for something better, and putting in a proper CPU cooler. 

 

This will be a general purpose PC for things like schoolwork and gaming.

 

Good deal or not?

 

EDIT: Doesn't come with any storage. So I'll throw in one of the many HDDs lying around at home, and I'll buy a MX500 SSD. 

Looks decent for sure, the PSU and mobo are the main things driving the price. Air 540 isn't that expensive new, the i7 is basically useless other than tinkering, and DDR3 is cheap. 

Intel HEDT and Server platform enthusiasts: Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Megathread 

 

Main PC 

CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset 

Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads 

Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark 

RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 

GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block 

Storage:  1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo 

Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 

PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 

Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM 

OS: Windows 11

 

Display: LG 27UK650-W (4K 60Hz IPS panel)

Mouse: EVGA X17

Keyboard: Corsair K55 RGB

 

Mobile/Work Devices: 2020 M1 MacBook Air (work computer) - iPhone 13 Pro Max - Apple Watch S3

 

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4 hours ago, r2724r16 said:

$300 CAD for this PC: 

Thinking of throwing in a X5675 (which is compatible with the motherboard according to ASUS), swapping out the video card for something better, and putting in a proper CPU cooler. 

 

This will be a general purpose PC for things like schoolwork and gaming.

 

Good deal or not?

 

EDIT: Doesn't come with any storage. So I'll throw in one of the many HDDs lying around at home, and I'll buy a MX500 SSD. 

For $300 CAD it's quite a nice PC. As @Zando Bob said, the PSU and motherboard are the main things that are driving the price. 

If I were you I would go for it, it's a good deal.

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5 hours ago, r2724r16 said:

$300 CAD for this PC: 

Thinking of throwing in a X5675 (which is compatible with the motherboard according to ASUS), swapping out the video card for something better, and putting in a proper CPU cooler. 

 

This will be a general purpose PC for things like schoolwork and gaming.

 

Good deal or not?

 

EDIT: Doesn't come with any storage. So I'll throw in one of the many HDDs lying around at home, and I'll buy a MX500 SSD. 

I am not much into pricing, but yeah swap that I7 out with that Xeon and get a proper CPU cooler and overclock the crap out of it. Xeon tends to go pretty high. Well above 4 GHZ more or less any xeon can do. I have a I7 980X that is more or less the same CPU die running 4.4 GHz on all cores and replace that old GPU to a used GTX 1080 and you have a pretty desent gaming pc. But be aware that games these days is beginning to be very demanding and cause of that i have exspirence for the first time this year X58 cut not handle on the highest settings. That will be Metro Exodus and Far Cry New Dawn. These games i had to go down to high. Before that i cut run any game at ultra and still keep FPS over 60 FPS, but it seems X58 best days now are over if games like these two game i told about keep being this demanding or more. X58 will beforce to run games on medium to even keep FPS over 60 FPS. Just a friendly warning, so you dont go out and spend a lot of money of this old platform.

 

Also dont buy a cheap air cooler for these chips. They get pretty hot then they operate over 4 GHz, so dont cheap out on the cooler throw. So a cooler like cooler master hyper 212 evo is not suficient for these chips, if you want then clock high. I use a Noctua NH-D14 with 3 fans on my I7 980X to keep it below 80 C at 4.4 GHz. Just as an exsample for how good a cooler you will need.

 

Also when you OC. Also make sure memory clock is as high as possible and the uncore or ULCK clock on asus boards are set to about 3600 MHz. As that will help you with higher FPS, but more importent keep minimum FPS higher and lag spikes down in the more demanding games.

 

Else have fun. X58 is fun to mess with, as its harder to overclock than most others systems. But then you get the hang of it, you really feel the difference from stock to a well optimized overclock.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Intelfreak said:

Else have fun. X58 is fun to mess with, as its harder to overclock than most others systems. But then you get the hang of it, you really feel the difference from stock to a well optimized overclock.

^^^ Exactly. It's very much an enthusiast platform, if you're not into tweaking, benching, testing, tweaking more, going round and round, X58 won't perform well for you. Stock performance is pretty eh, it comes into it's own at around 4.2-4.5+ GHz on the core, and like Intelfreak said as well, faster RAM and uncore helps a lot too. There's a balance to it, you sometimes you need to up the BLCK to get a stable RAM speed, but then lower the CPU core multiplier otherwise the CPU gets unstable, and maybe you need to drop or raise the uncore multiplier. It's extremely satisfying to get a solid OC and there's a massive, instantly noticeable difference in almost everything you do, even in base windows 10 tweaking the RAM makes everything a slight bit snappier. 

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Main PC 

CPU: i9 7980XE @4.5GHz/1.22v/-2 AVX offset 

Cooler: EKWB Supremacy Block - custom loop w/360mm +280mm rads 

Motherboard: EVGA X299 Dark 

RAM:4x8GB HyperX Predator DDR4 @3200Mhz CL16 

GPU: Nvidia FE 2060 Super/Corsair HydroX 2070 FE block 

Storage:  1TB MP34 + 1TB 970 Evo + 500GB Atom30 + 250GB 960 Evo 

Optical Drives: LG WH14NS40 

PSU: EVGA 1600W T2 

Case & Fans: Corsair 750D Airflow - 3x Noctua iPPC NF-F12 + 4x Noctua iPPC NF-A14 PWM 

OS: Windows 11

 

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Finally blew through my tube of MX-4 I've had for a few years thanks to that Crosshair IV Extreme/Phenom X6 build I've been working with. Bought some HT-H2 since it's an improved paste over NT-H1 and there were some slight increases in performance on larger IHS cpus like LGA2011 and probably TR4 too. So if anyone's wondering how it does on LGA1366, I found it to perform exactly the same or maybe spread the heat a little differently.

 

Arctic MX-4

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Noctua NT-H2

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Also my thread #10 will always crash after a while in the Small FFTs on P95. I could probably up my vcore a little more but I'm already at 1.415v, this thing has been very stable as of late so I'm inclined to not touch it.

 

Oh and since there's no pictures of anything X58 on this page yet.

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Sorry for the potato picture quality; I'll take better pictures with my iPhone when I find time.

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1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

^^^ Exactly. It's very much an enthusiast platform, if you're not into tweaking, benching, testing, tweaking more, going round and round, X58 won't perform well for you. Stock performance is pretty eh, it comes into it's own at around 4.2-4.5+ GHz on the core, and like Intelfreak said as well, faster RAM and uncore helps a lot too. There's a balance to it, you sometimes you need to up the BLCK to get a stable RAM speed, but then lower the CPU core multiplier otherwise the CPU gets unstable, and maybe you need to drop or raise the uncore multiplier. It's extremely satisfying to get a solid OC and there's a massive, instantly noticeable difference in almost everything you do, even in base windows 10 tweaking the RAM makes everything a slight bit snappier. 

Yeah. Just as zando bob said. Its tweaking tweating testing and then some more tweaking. But the end results are so satisfying.

 

Stock performance is rather bad in modern games and what you exspect from a platform that came out over 10 years ago (release date whas november 2008). But when overclock, they can still shine.

 

So people misses image of x58 pc's. Well i have posted mine before, but here she is again with some ghetto mods as well. First my old setup with an i7 920 and then my current with i7 980X.

 

I7 920 (sorry about the cable mess, back then i just ditten care about looks. It gets better with the i7 980X). I mage and some benchmark screenshots.

 

https://m.imgur.com/a/vyTFIpK

https://m.imgur.com/a/WqD1iHK

 

I7 980X image + benchmark screenshots.

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https://m.imgur.com/a/NLahrg9

 

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/10037039

 

https://m.imgur.com/a/uHjbbMg

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@Intelfreak You run a 950 Pro on X58, right? Does it run over PCIe or act like a SATA card? Have a guy saying NVMe drives cannot work on X58 with a PCIe add-in card, but I know a decent chunk of peeps run them. Also how much of a hassle are they to get running? Any perf gains over SATA drives (I assume not much in OS boot, but in benches and such)? 

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37 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

@Intelfreak You run a 950 Pro on X58, right? Does it run over PCIe or act like a SATA card? Have a guy saying NVMe drives cannot work on X58 with a PCIe add-in card, but I know a decent chunk of peeps run them. Also how much of a hassle are they to get running? Any perf gains over SATA drives (I assume not much in OS boot, but in benches and such)? 

I run a non-AHCI AHCI part number 128gb SM951 since they apparently exist. It's often considered crippled due it it's size compared to the larger capacity drives but the performance gain over an old Intel 535 SSD was pretty noticeable for me. I imagine something halfway decent like a decently sized PM981 would be very noticeable. The increase in boot speeds were roughly negated from DUET but if you spam the keyboard to skip the 5 second timer it's still faster.

 

Getting it to boot via DUET took benchmarking a few flash drives to find my fastest ones, clicking buttons about a whole 3-4 times with the DUET GUI tool, and maybe a minute or two. Then you just install windows to the drive and select the USB to boot from in bios.

 

It's far easier than installing windows and using the windows media creation tool and while waiting on that pile of junk, you can make a cup of coffee, setup DUET and drink it before you'll even be able to install windows yet lol.

 

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31 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

@Intelfreak You run a 950 Pro on X58, right? Does it run over PCIe or act like a SATA card? Have a guy saying NVMe drives cannot work on X58 with a PCIe add-in card, but I know a decent chunk of peeps run them. Also how much of a hassle are they to get running? Any perf gains over SATA drives (I assume not much in OS boot, but in benches and such)? 

I used to run 950 pro on x58, it is night and day compare to normal sata ssd, (my board was sata2 not sata3, therefore increase in speed was around 5 times compare to sata2. However it does not give you any additional gains in benchmarks.

due to legacy bios support you can plug it in any pci-e slot with any pci-e to m.2 adapter. It will show up in bios as a normal ssd, after that you can either do a clean windows install or clone your existing os drive using samsung migration software

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2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

@Intelfreak You run a 950 Pro on X58, right? Does it run over PCIe or act like a SATA card? Have a guy saying NVMe drives cannot work on X58 with a PCIe add-in card, but I know a decent chunk of peeps run them. Also how much of a hassle are they to get running? Any perf gains over SATA drives (I assume not much in OS boot, but in benches and such)? 

Normal M.2 NVMe SSD can not boot on X58 with out third party software like DUET or a moddet bios. So if you exsample stick a Samsung 970 EVO in a PCI to M.2 adaptor in a PCI slot. You cant boot or see it in bios. You will only can see it in windows and use it as a storage drive. So in that part your friend is some what right, as you can not use it as a boot drive, but only for storage.

 

But as said before software like DUET can more or less get any NVMe m.2 SSD bootable on X58. The down side is that it needs the third party software. There is a guide for NVMe with DUET on asus X58 here. That might be help ful for you.

 

https://audiocricket.com/2016/12/31/booting-samsung-sm961-on-asus-p6t-se-mainboard/

 

More speciefik with the Samsung 950 PRO. Samsung left a little gift in that SSD known as legacy mode or OPT-ROM (Samsung 960/970 EVO/PRO does not have this option build in). That makes the Samsung 950 PRO bootable in legacy bios as the bios sees it as a IDE drive. But it only works when the sata controller is set to AHCI (raid is no go). So this specifik SSD can fully work on X58 or other chipsæt/motherboard that support boot from PCI express with out third party software or bios mod. all throw it seems some motherboards arrent happy with the 950 PRO. EVGA boards seems to fail while ASUS boards they work just fine and gigabyte as well. So not all boards can handle the SSD out of box and yes the SSD runs via a m.2 to PCIe adaptor.

 

I use this adaptor for my SSD as it has a heatsink to cool the SSD. M.2 NVMe SSD can get pretty toasty when under high stress and not properly cooled.

https://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=3400

 

Performance: Game load there are not much difference from sata to NVMe ssd and benchmark does not benefit from it unless the benchmark has a specifik overall pc performance tjeck like userbenchmark and Passmark performance test. So benchmark like 3dmark firestrike/time spy will not benefit from it in score, only in load time maybe. But in windows overall use, yes there are a difference that can be felt. Boot is faster, software loads faster and overall the pc just feels faster and more snappy and ready to go than a sata SSD. I am not going back to sata SSD as a boot drive. Deffently not. Note that most M.2 to PCIe adaptor runs X4 and by that can get a speed up to 1700 MB/s while 950 PRO is rated at up to 2200 MB/s, the point is that because of PCIe gen 2, you are speed limited to around 1700 MB/s.

 

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I made two video´s in bios, boot and shutdown. Seconds video just show a faster boot after i optimized bios and windows.

Also i made this thread some time ago over at TPU.com. There might also be some help full stuff as bofh i and others later in the thread share som info.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/m-2-ssd-on-old-x58-system-with-m-2-pci-adaptor-can-it-work.231611/

 

Well this is all i have to say about it. But yeah as a boot drive. M.2 NVMe SSD on X58 is pretty neat, but for game load and benchmark, that´s very limited what you get there.

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Got some free 8GB sticks of DDR3, two sticks of Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz out of a quad channel kit but one was dead and neither had heatsinks and two sticks of Kingston low profile 1600mhz CL11 value ram, all of them are dual rank so triple channel works. Stuck them into my home server to upgrade my G.Skill Pi Series 3x2GB that I had in it along side 3x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws. Now I have 36GB of ram in it lol, now I can give 16GB to a Debian VM to not use any of it.

 

My buddy also picked up a EVGA X58 E758-TR Rev 1.0 board, can you just short E539? Do you need to remove E538 and short E539 or can I just short E539 and not touch E538? Or does the resistor need to be moved?

 

https://forums.evga.com/download.axd?file=0;2274659&filename=Westmere Mod_S.jpg

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