General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Overl0rd]

10 hours ago, Ground said:

any idea what happened to the dominator Kit? I've been looking all over the place for a backup kit (my current Dom GT kit does 2200 7-7-6 at 1.85V for benching) but I haven't had any luck finding one recently...

I sold them quite a while ago. There's a kit of them on eBay currently, though not at a stellar price https://www.ebay.com/itm/Corsair-Dominator-GT-CMG6GX3M3A1600C7-6GB-3-x-2GB-PC3-12800-DDR3-RAM-R247/264238123680?hash=item3d85d1caa0:g:5JQAAOSwpCFcYfyI

[Slayer3032]

So I've been shopping around for SSD's, I've noticed m.2 sata drives have started to become cheaper than many 2.5" sata drives. I know that nvme can work, ect. I know people use sata 3/raid cards for real sata 3 speeds, but are they bootable without Duet/Clover? Or are they not even bootable with one of those since few people would bother with an m.2 sata drive since all newer platforms have decent sata 3 or support m.2 already.

 

Kind of looking to remove all the disks from my computer and put them all in a NAS instead but I'm trying to figure out what is realistic and worthwhile.

[Zando_]

10 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

So I've been shopping around for SSD's, I've noticed m.2 sata drives have started to become cheaper than many 2.5" sata drives. I know that nvme can work, ect. I know people use sata 3/raid cards for real sata 3 speeds, but are they bootable without Duet/Clover? Or are they not even bootable with one of those since few people would bother with an m.2 sata drive since all newer platforms have decent sata 3 or support m.2 already.

 

Kind of looking to remove all the disks from my computer and put them all in a NAS instead but I'm trying to figure out what is realistic and worthwhile.

Good question, I'm also interested in that. How much is a PCIe to M.2 card? I have a 500GB WD Blue M.2 on the way, I could try it in my X58 rig before putting it in my X99 one and getting windows all set up. 

[bimmerman]

I think I paid ~$20 for a PCIe -> M.2 card from amazon. Suuuuuper cheap. They have ones that do both PCIe and sata3 interfaces on a single riser card.

 

I would imagine the sata m.2 drives will be bootable just like regular sata drives are-- you're just changing plug formats.

 

For PCIe interface m.2, you need to pay close attention to which drive you are using, as very few will operate at fast pcie speed without official platform support for that (eg, Samsung 950 Pro is the easy button for that).

 

That's my understanding anyway. I have the 950 pro and it was plug and play as a PCIe drive. I didn't see any reason to use a Sata 3 drive on X58 since the Sata3 is pretty bottlenecked on that platform.

[r2724r16]

So, long story short, I had all of the parts for my PC but after many hours of troubleshooting, I concluded that my motherboard was dead. So now I'm returning my i7-920, 12GB of RAM, and P6T Deluxe v2, but I'm keeping my Meshify C TG, AX860i, NZXT Havik 140, Xeon X5675, Strix GTX 770, 1TB SSD, and 750GB HDD.

 

I've found a local custom built X58 PC that someone is willing to sell for C$200. Here's its specs:

- Intel Core i7-960 (will swap out for Xeon X5675)

- Stock cooler (will swap out for NZXT Havik 140)

- ASUS P6X58-E-WS

- 8 GB of RAM

- 1TB WD Blue HDD (will add a 1TB SSD and another HDD)

- ATI Radeon 7750 (will swap out for a GTX 770)

- Some random case and PSU (will swap out for a Meshify C and AX860i)

 

I think that if I swap out the CPU, CPU cooler, storage, graphics card, case, and PSU and put in my own hardware, I'll have a decent rig. Not to mention that I'll have plenty of spare parts. Do you guys think the PC above is worth C$200? And what do you guys think of my plan?

[Zando_]

2 hours ago, Geography said:

So, long story short, I had all of the parts for my PC but after many hours of troubleshooting, I concluded that my motherboard was dead. So now I'm returning my i7-920, 12GB of RAM, and P6T Deluxe v2, but I'm keeping my Meshify C TG, AX860i, NZXT Havik 140, Xeon X5675, Strix GTX 770, 1TB SSD, and 750GB HDD.

 

I've found a local custom built X58 PC that someone is willing to sell for C$200. Here's its specs:

- Intel Core i7-960 (will swap out for Xeon X5675)

- Stock cooler (will swap out for NZXT Havik 140)

- ASUS P6X58-E-WS

- 8 GB of RAM

- 1TB WD Blue HDD (will add a 1TB SSD and another HDD)

- ATI Radeon 7750 (will swap out for a GTX 770)

- Some random case and PSU (will swap out for a Meshify C and AX860i)

 

I think that if I swap out the CPU, CPU cooler, storage, graphics card, case, and PSU and put in my own hardware, I'll have a decent rig. Not to mention that I'll have plenty of spare parts. Do you guys think the PC above is worth C$200? And what do you guys think of my plan?

Canadian rubles, yeah. I got my X5675 and Rampage III Formula for $120 US, that's a CPU, mobo, RAM, HDD, and a case and PSU for $150. Can probably sell off the GPU, i7 960, and cooler at least and get some monies back.

[r2724r16]

10 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Canadian rubles, yeah. I got my X5675 and Rampage III Formula for $120 US

Oh wow. From eBay? Or some other local second hand market?

10 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Can probably sell off the GPU, i7 960, and cooler at least and get some monies back.

Yep. Might keep the CPU as a spare though for troubleshooting and stuff.

[Zando_]

7 hours ago, Geography said:

Oh wow. From eBay? Or some other local second hand market?

Yep. Might keep the CPU as a spare though for troubleshooting and stuff.

Guy off eBay, but he turned out to be about 40 minutes from me so we met up at a mall in Franklin, paid cash.

[r2724r16]

I'm FINALLY done with my X58 system. I've installed Windows and have my system running. Here's my validation: https://valid.x86.fr/xjgl16. I don't have a lot of time this week, but I'll work on the overclock soon. And of course, I'll have to ask you guys for help.

 

I'm pretty impressed with my HAVIK 140 cooler. It's dead silent both when the system is idling and under load. After running an AIDA64 stress test on the CPU, FPU, and cache for 10 minutes, I hit a stable temperature of 51 degrees Celsius. And this is before I even tried adjusting the fan speed. This gives me a decent amount of headroom for overclocking.

 

And once again, thanks to you all for the help!

[Crunchy Dragon]

Beginning to more seriously look at higher end X58 hardware.

 

I'd like to get a couple 6 cores and do an X58 sleeper mod in my Powermac G5 case.

I've found out that aforementioned Powermac doesn't want to work(likely needs a new mainboard, more money than I want to invest in it and more work than I wanna do), so I'll probably end up selling the video card and PSU for it to make a bit of cash(because I won't have a use for those parts).

 

I'll have to gut the inside and do a bunch of stuff to make the G5 case accept a standard ATX power supply, but I'm fairly confident I can make it work(as long as a dual CPU X58 board isn't too long).

[Zando_]

29 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Beginning to more seriously look at higher end X58 hardware.

 

I'd like to get a couple 6 cores and do an X58 sleeper mod in my Powermac G5 case.

I've found out that aforementioned Powermac doesn't want to work(likely needs a new mainboard, more money than I want to invest in it and more work than I wanna do), so I'll probably end up selling the video card and PSU for it to make a bit of cash(because I won't have a use for those parts).

 

I'll have to gut the inside and do a bunch of stuff to make the G5 case accept a standard ATX power supply, but I'm fairly confident I can make it work(as long as a dual CPU X58 board isn't too long).

@DrMacintosh Has put an ATX PC inside a PowerMac or Mac Pro case IIRC, made a guide too. So long as it's a standard ATX board you should be fine, if it's bigger then fitting it in with the rear I/O in the right spot could be tricky. The stock mobos are really wide, I don't know how they compare in length to an ATX or XL-ATX mobo.

[DrMacintosh]

32 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I'd like to get a couple 6 cores and do an X58 sleeper mod in my Powermac G5 case.

I've found out that aforementioned Powermac doesn't want to work(likely needs a new mainboard, more money than I want to invest in it and more work than I wanna do), so I'll probably end up selling the video card and PSU for it to make a bit of cash(because I won't have a use for those parts).

Its like $200 for a case in good condition, a mod kit, and the power tools which you WILL need to make an ATX/iTX mod work. 

 

[r2724r16]

Spent ~10 minutes tuning settings in my BIOS. Hit a conservative 4.25GHz (x25 Multiplier, 170 BCLK) at 1.32V on my X5675. Will overclock higher when I have time.

[bleu]

On 3/19/2019 at 5:18 PM, Geography said:

Spent ~10 minutes tuning settings in my BIOS. Hit a conservative 4.25GHz (x25 Multiplier, 170 BCLK) at 1.32V on my X5675. Will overclock higher when I have time.

If you're still interested in tweaking more It looks like your memory speed or uncore speed is slowing you down. My x5670 is scoring 1955 at only 4GHz (167 x 24). Memory is at 1670MHz and the uncore is at 3507MHz. 

[r2724r16]

10 hours ago, bleu said:

If you're still interested in tweaking more It looks like your memory speed or uncore speed is slowing you down. My x5670 is scoring 1955 at only 4GHz (167 x 24). Memory is at 1670MHz and the uncore is at 3507MHz. 

Thanks, I'll work on the overclock soon.

[Intelfreak]

12 hours ago, Geography said:

Thanks, I'll work on the overclock soon.

Yes as others told you, get that uncore clock up.

 

Here is what my i7 980x score at 4.4 ghz, uncore set to 3600 mhz and ram set to 1600 mhz.

 

[Intelfreak]

12 hours ago, Geography said:

Thanks, I'll work on the overclock soon.

Also i can see you have a asus motherboard. That means to change uncore clock its the ulck you need to change and voltage for qpi/dram voltage if i remember correct. For stable at 3600 mhz qpi/dram typically needs around 1.35 volt give or take from there. You maybe also needs to increase core voltage to get it fully stable.

[gouca]

Hello!

 

Looking to upgrade my X58 Sabertooth for more stable overclocking, ended up with a horribly unstable X5650 that I already upgraded to X5675 so the next natural thing would be to upgrade the mobo.

 

Is there a tier list or comparison of motherboards' crucial elements for OC? Cooling with H115i Pro and I have a PCI-E x4 NVMe and x1 sound card, so mATX boards won't work for me. Would an P6T Deluxe V2 be a major upgrade for example? Friend has one spare unit.

 

Thanks!

[Zando_]

19 minutes ago, gouca said:

Hello!

 

Looking to upgrade my X58 Sabertooth for more stable overclocking, ended up with a horribly unstable X5650 that I already upgraded to X5675 so the next natural thing would be to upgrade the mobo.

 

Is there a tier list or comparison of motherboards' crucial elements for OC? Cooling with H115i Pro and I have a PCI-E x4 NVMe and x1 sound card, so mATX boards won't work for me. Would an P6T Deluxe V2 be a major upgrade for example? Friend has one spare unit.

 

Thanks!

P6Ts are excellent boards, I know a guy who pushed his X5675 to 5Ghz on one of them, and a ton of other guys have them pushing 4.5Ghz dailies and such.

[r2724r16]

1 hour ago, gouca said:

Would an P6T Deluxe V2 be a major upgrade for example?

I had one, but it turned out to be dead. I was told that it's an okay board for overclocking, but nothing too special. It wouldn't be a major upgrade.

 

Look out for other options like the Rampage II/III Extreme, EVGA Classified boards, ASUS WS boards, etc.

[gouca]

1 minute ago, Geography said:

I had one, but it turned out to be dead. I was told that it's an okay board for overclocking, but nothing too special. It wouldn't be a major upgrade.

 

Look out for other options like the Rampage II/III Extreme, EVGA Classified boards, ASUS WS boards, etc.

Thanks, will do. I actually did own a Rampage II Extreme, a few years ago, which was insane but their availability is next to zero at any reasonable price.  

[Zando_]

3 minutes ago, Geography said:

I had one, but it turned out to be dead. I was told that it's an okay board for overclocking, but nothing too special. It wouldn't be a major upgrade.

 

Look out for other options like the Rampage II/III Extreme, EVGA Classified boards, ASUS WS boards, etc.

I have two Classified boards (4 if you count my SR-2s), can confirm they're excellent as well, but more expensive/harder to find. The Rampage III Formula is also a good board, @Troika has mine I traded to him, IIRC he's selling it because he's using the MSI Xpower Big Bang X58 (another good board, lol).

[Intelfreak]

43 minutes ago, gouca said:

Hello!

 

Looking to upgrade my X58 Sabertooth for more stable overclocking, ended up with a horribly unstable X5650 that I already upgraded to X5675 so the next natural thing would be to upgrade the mobo.

 

Is there a tier list or comparison of motherboards' crucial elements for OC? Cooling with H115i Pro and I have a PCI-E x4 NVMe and x1 sound card, so mATX boards won't work for me. Would an P6T Deluxe V2 be a major upgrade for example? Friend has one spare unit.

 

Thanks!

I can also reccomend ASUS P6X58D PREMIUM board. I have one my self and oc my i7 980z to 4.4 ghz for every day use and 4.745 ghz for benchmark and it is a second gen x58 board. Second gen means it has sata 3 and usb 3.0 onboard. The rampage 3 extreme is also a second gen board.

 

The p6t v2 i here missed exsperience with.

[bimmerman]

I'm partial to the Gigabyte UD3R board, personally. I've been at 4.5ghz for years, it'll do 4.7+ but diminishing returns for the voltage kicked in pretty hard.

[r2724r16]

On 3/20/2019 at 8:34 PM, bleu said:

If you're still interested in tweaking more It looks like your memory speed or uncore speed is slowing you down. My x5670 is scoring 1955 at only 4GHz (167 x 24). Memory is at 1670MHz and the uncore is at 3507MHz. 

On 3/21/2019 at 7:23 PM, Intelfreak said:

Also i can see you have a asus motherboard. That means to change uncore clock its the ulck you need to change and voltage for qpi/dram voltage if i remember correct. For stable at 3600 mhz qpi/dram typically needs around 1.35 volt give or take from there. You maybe also needs to increase core voltage to get it fully stable.

I spent some more time in my BIOS. Didn't get the greatest score ever but it improved a little bit.

 

Here are some of the settings (that I haven't forgotten): Voltage: 1.325v, Multiplier: x25.0, BCLK: 170, Uncore: 3580, Memory: 1360MHz, QPI/DRAM: 1.35v

 

Also did some more testing on my CPU and its stability (with plenty of BSODs), and turned out my CPU isn't stable at a 190 BCLK at 1.4V. Do you guys think I need to add more voltage or that my silicon lottery isn't amazing?

 

Also one of my CPU cooler's fans just stopped working and I'm too lazy to reseat the fan header, so I can't push my CPU hard until I fix that lol. Works fine now.