General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

15 minutes ago, Slayer3032 said:

Oh come on, 400w in P95 with an idling stock GTX1080 isn't all that bad lmao.

Mine is 720W under Time Spy load. 

But yeah, so long as it's not running 24/7 it's not bad, it's only when I run things that hungry 24/7 for a week or more that I notice a difference on the power bill. And these chips aren't hot at all, my NH-D15S has no issues even with a 1.45v vCore, can't break the mid 70s. 

[X-System]

I found my old picture on other forum.

 

 

These heatsinks fans were for Xeon Nocona (hot like boiler) and I had installed them on my old Xeon Prestonia low voltage overclocked 1.6@2.61 GHz (Vcore stock).

 

It was very good cooler for CPU low voltage, 35° C full loaded and they were heavy 100% copper and beautiful

 

I want to buy the same for my Xeon E5-2667 v3 but I don't find 100% copper heatsink fan

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, X-System said:

I found my old picture on other forum.

 

 

These heatsinks fans were for Xeon Nocona (hot like boiler) and I had installed them on my old Xeon Prestonia low voltage overclocked 1.6@2.61 GHz (Vcore stock).

 

It was very good cooler for CPU low voltage, 35° C full loaded and they were heavy 100% copper and beautiful

 

I want to buy the same for my Xeon E5-2667 v3 but I don't find 100% copper heatsink fan

> 1.6v
> low voltage

Also ooooooh yes, full copper heatsinks are amazing. And much less common now, IDK why but I assume there's reasons. 

[X-System]

30 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

> 1.6v
> low voltage

Also ooooooh yes, full copper heatsinks are amazing. And much less common now, IDK why but I assume there's reasons. 

1.6, it was 1.6 GHz base and I overclocked it at 2.61 GHz

 

https://valid.x86.fr/show_oc.php?id=91116

 

And Vcore was stock, I didn't touched it (I don't remember what Vcore exact but Wikipedia says 1.187–1.274 V)

[the pudding]

on the subject of coolers, i really wish my noctuas would arrive sooner, not going to be here till the 27th, i ordered them on the 12th

[the pudding]

Well, the good news, my noctuas are here! All the way from Austria, the bad news, this board does not seem to like the fans at all, when powered on the fans will spin for about a second and then stop, when i plugged an old AF140 i have laying around into the adapter, worked fine, plug one or both of the fans into the adapter and no dice, rather annoying but it may just be that the fans are, at their fastest, below the speed range thing the board works at? i dunno, I'll probably just grab a pair of cheapy 92mm things to see if it is that and then return if not 

[Zando_]

Thinking about downsizing again, probably to just my X99 and X79 rigs + MacBook Pro if I can get it down that far. @bimmerman I do still need to track those blocks down for you, and also Westmere-EP mod my EATX Classy and ship that + some other stuff to @Damascus. Kinda lowkey falling apart rn so I'm going to see if I can take a week off soon-ish to try and get everything in order. 

That said, I'll likely be tearing down my X58 rig, so would anyone be interested in an EVGA X58 Classified SLI 4-Way - the big XL-ATX one - with an X5675 and 3x8GB HyperX Savage (Red heatsinks, black PCB) 1600Mhz CL9 DDR3? I got the board new/unused off eBay, no box or accessories but original stickers and covers were intact so I trust that it was actually unused. Westmere-EP modded it (involves pulling heatsinks and soldering two small points together on the board) and I've had no issues with it running X56xx series Xeons. Got my X5670 up to 4.74Ghz CB stable (4.54 daily, never finished tweaking the higher clock to be dailyable), then dropped out of X58 stuff when I got my X99 hardware, and either I've lost my touch or my X5675 is a worse bin, since I've capped out at around 4.5 since then. Currently has a Noctua A4x10 on the heatsink + when I remounted said heatsinks I used (IIRC) Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut and Arctic thermal pads. Other than that it's stock and still in good condition. Finding cases to fit it is weird though, most cases support wider motherboards, but XL-ATX is extremely tall. 

 

Also have my two SR-2s. One is broken and last I had it out, only booted with one CPU. I think it has some stuff pulled off it now too. Other one is/was working, I've had it into windows before but last I had it out it didn't wanna POST and I couldn't be arsed to figure out why. Have two of the Noctua I-forget-what-model coolers for it, one is slightly damaged because I knocked it (just the actual metal heatsink part) off the desk and the heatpipes bent slightly. Doesn't effect function and I should be able to dig out any other mounting hardware for those from my screw box. I may have someone who already wants the boards, would have to check with them. 

May look to get rid of my EVGA 780 Classifieds as well, have powerlinks for them too. One makes some not-good-bearing fan noises but both work, and paired with the X5675 (CPU running stock, GPUs OCed to around 1300Mhz) they happily pull 300W idle, 720W under Time Spy load, from the wall. Through a 1600W T2 and IDK what its exact efficiency is at those loads. 

[bimmerman]

@Zando Bob Sounds good! No rush on my end. I'm contemplating divesting of my X58 and SR-2 gear as well. Tinkering is fun but it's taking up a lot of space, and the SR-2's virtualization headaches are making me question what I want to do with it.

 

Kinda tempted to go TR3 for the insane build if the SR2 doesn't work out. Or, going X299 + 18c i9/xeon for the full stupid

[Guest]

Im surprised you guys don't bench mark against each other..... 

 

When do we get to see some F'n screen shots around here??

[Zando_]

7 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

@Zando Bob Sounds good! No rush on my end. I'm contemplating divesting of my X58 and SR-2 gear as well. Tinkering is fun but it's taking up a lot of space, and the SR-2's virtualization headaches are making me question what I want to do with it.

 

Kinda tempted to go TR3 for the insane build if the SR2 doesn't work out. Or, going X299 + 18c i9/xeon for the full stupid

X299 if you want to hardcore tune a chad CPU, but if virtualization is the goal, a TR3 rig with a board that has solid IOMMU groups would be s w e e t. Lads on the L1Techs forums would probs be hella helpful too, they do a lot with Linux and virtualization on the TR platform, vs the gamer side I'm more familiar with. 
 

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Im surprised you guys don't bench mark against each other..... 

 

When do we get to see some F'n screen shots around here??

Oh there's probably some back a ways, but most of the bench records will have already been set, and IDK that we have many people doing much higher than water. Have a couple who have done LN2 though, it was either bimmerman or another of the OGs who binned through 10s, if not 100s, of Xeons on a Gigabyte board with an LN2 pot, did some nutty stuff. 

These are the latest numbers I have from any of my rigs:

 

That's my daily OC. About as fast as the RAM will go (my Hynix DIMMs abhor anything past their XMP profile), and for the CPU I don't want to push a chip this expensive hard, so it sits at 4.2, gets up to 1.24v under load and caps at 80C after a good run of Prime95. It did pass CB20 at 4.4 with 1.3v but wouldn't do any heavier AVX stuff at that clock, and I don't wanna run an AVX offset. 

[bimmerman]

12 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

X299 if you want to hardcore tune a chad CPU, but if virtualization is the goal, a TR3 rig with a board that has solid IOMMU groups would be s w e e t. Lads on the L1Techs forums would probs be hella helpful too, they do a lot with Linux and virtualization on the TR platform, vs the gamer side I'm more familiar with. 

Yea agreed; x299 would only be if my buddy at intel can get a chip sample. Even their internal discounts can't overcome a lack of availability. TR3 would be the endgame goal since, as you said, tons of folks do VM stuff with them. I haven't tinkered with the SR2 in a little while though, as there are one or two more threads to chase before giving up. But, instead, I bought a new road bike and that's taken my interest lately haha.

 

12 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Oh there's probably some back a ways, but most of the bench records will have already been set, and IDK that we have many people doing much higher than water. Have a couple who have done LN2 though, it was either bimmerman or another of the OGs who binned through 10s, if not 100s, of Xeons on a Gigabyte board with an LN2 pot, did some nutty stuff. 

These are the latest numbers I have from any of my rigs:

That's my daily OC. About as fast as the RAM will go (my Hynix DIMMs abhor anything past their XMP profile), and for the CPU I don't want to push a chip this expensive hard, so it sits at 4.2, gets up to 1.24v under load and caps at 80C after a good run of Prime95. It did pass CB20 at 4.4 with 1.3v but wouldn't do any heavier AVX stuff at that clock, and I don't wanna run an AVX offset. 

Y'know, it could be kinda fun to try a benchmarking competition, but I agree-- seems most people seem to end somewhere between 4.2-4.5 GHz, with hero runs up to 4.7ish. Not much more.

 

FWIW I wasn't the one doing LN2 or binning tons of chips. I do want to see how hard I can push the SR-2 on the baby noctuas, but both chips idle at 40-50C stock which seems.....rather limiting.

 

[bimmerman]

28 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Im surprised you guys don't bench mark against each other..... 

 

When do we get to see some F'n screen shots around here??

We really should have some thread organization to help find this stuff-- there are screenshots throughout but nothing's been indexed.

[Zando_]

5 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

FWIW I wasn't the one doing LN2 or binning tons of chips. I do want to see how hard I can push the SR-2 on the baby noctuas, but both chips idle at 40-50C stock which seems.....rather limiting.

Find some ungodly way to stuff dual D15s on there. The NH-D15S on my X58 rig won't let the chip break the mid-70s even with 1.45v vCore. 

[bimmerman]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Find some ungodly way to stuff dual D15s on there. The NH-D15S on my X58 rig won't let the chip break the mid-70s even with 1.45v vCore. 

That'd be quite a fun experiment! Though, pricey since I don't have one currently.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

X299 if you want to hardcore tune a chad CPU, but if virtualization is the goal, a TR3 rig with a board that has solid IOMMU groups would be s w e e t. Lads on the L1Techs forums would probs be hella helpful too, they do a lot with Linux and virtualization on the TR platform, vs the gamer side I'm more familiar with. 
 

Oh there's probably some back a ways, but most of the bench records will have already been set, and IDK that we have many people doing much higher than water. Have a couple who have done LN2 though, it was either bimmerman or another of the OGs who binned through 10s, if not 100s, of Xeons on a Gigabyte board with an LN2 pot, did some nutty stuff. 

These are the latest numbers I have from any of my rigs:

That's my daily OC. About as fast as the RAM will go (my Hynix DIMMs abhor anything past their XMP profile), and for the CPU I don't want to push a chip this expensive hard, so it sits at 4.2, gets up to 1.24v under load and caps at 80C after a good run of Prime95. It did pass CB20 at 4.4 with 1.3v but wouldn't do any heavier AVX stuff at that clock, and I don't wanna run an AVX offset. 

Nah, I meant friendly at home (LTT) back and forth forum fun. Our team does that aside from submissions to the database for points, just between us for fun. Once in a blue moon with prizes even! 

 

100s of Xeon binning is way beyond my pocket book capacity XD. Pretty extreme, but looking for Golds, that's what some people do.

 

Your Rig, That's really decent IMO.. Those chips can get hot as a mofo. You're at a really good place I think. 80c ain't bad at all imo.

I'm not fond of AVX offset either. It's not a bad idea to implement, but totally not necessary if you run smart like that!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bimmerman said:

We really should have some thread organization to help find this stuff-- there are screenshots throughout but nothing's been indexed.

Should just make a 30 day bench-off thread. 

Intel Only - Restricted clocks / platforms - Maybe some 3D and Cpu benches.....

 

Not me though. No time for that. I've been benching lately. Team Cup is coming. Trying to get ready for that also.

 

But if someone hosted, I'd be happy to give a go.

[Slayer3032]

I'm pretty sure I'm still #1 on HWBot for 6 core Westmere on R20, on an NH-D14 in a Corsair 450D with low RPM Noctua Redux fans.

 

Please someone beat this score, I want a reason to go further in case my 10 years of heavy overclocking on a board that saw some liquid 9 years ago that I have to patch my own microcodes into the bios to overclock decides to pop something after I decide to close my temp monitoring software after crossing 1.5v+ because it's probably not going to show me anything other than 98c anyways.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/4244336_slayer3032_cinebench___r20_xeon_x5675_2304_marks

 

Really though, X58 while being finicky as possible at times is dumb reliable. I bought X58 to have "4ghz", which I never managed to do stable with my potato of a i7 930 so I just left it in the 1.3-1.35 area on vcore and it eventually degraded down to 3.75ghz after a few years. I almost bought a Ryzen 1500x when quads were "good" as an upgrade. I nearly spent $450 on less memory, less cores and a low end board when for less than 1/10th of that, I have roughly the same performance as a 6 core Ryzen 1700. Instead I tossed $36 at a X5660 and 6gb of ECC memory and finally fell in love with it. Now for the last couple years I dual boot to only NVMe storage with 6x4gb of $7 ECC Mac Pro dimms with a X5675 4.5ghz@1.425v I bought at a gas station for $25.

 

I have a Crosshair IV Extreme with a 1100T that I've never really used, I'd try to find all my AM3 brackets for the NH-D14 if I have a reason as well. But that's not Intel stuff and it would probably get dusted by C2Q's lol.

[YT_DomDaBomb20]

Ok, so in a couple of weeks, my desk will look 3 times better. I’m getting a new gaming PC, dual x5650’s oem dual Lga 1366 board, 48gb ddr3 ecc (8$ for each 8gb stick for 6 sticks) probably a gtx 1070 used for 200$ (might spray paint it, not sure yet), enermax makashi mk50( I think. Def. an eatx case cause I had to get one to fit the mobo). Also a 1000w silverstone 80+platinum psu, I’ll edit this later to put in the model. Then, a 7ms 1920x1080 75hz monitor that has a webcam on it. Finally a generic vesa stand for the monitor. Almost forgot there’s 2 cooljag day-d a2 cpu coolers.(I think that’s what they’re called). Any thoughts?

 

 

Edit: this is the psu: https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=566&area=en

its an st-1000-pt, 1000w unit 80+platinum

 

also, case name is correct, and so is cooler name. Also if you’re wondering, I left the spray paint idea behind, found a more neutral colored gpu. Mobo is a xyratex unit, according to reddit from a storage server

[X-System]

I see Intel doesn't make Xeon E5 v5 / v6 (only for uniprocessor E3) because I think Intel wants to use Xeon Scalable for Workstation & Server.

 

I check what goods motherboards for performance and what goods CPU Xeon Scalable with mini 4GHz Turbo all cores. And I found

 

For motherboards, only these 3 goods models :

 

Gigabyte C621-WD12

TYAN Tempest HX S7100 (S7100AG2NR)

Supermicro X11DAi-N

 

And for 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, use Cascade Lake based for DDR4-2933 and it supports up to 6 channels memory (they are released in 2019), I found goods CPUs :

 

Xeon Gold 6250 (8 cores / 16 threads at 3.9GHz base / 4.5GHz Turbo all cores / 4.5GHz Max Turbo)

Xeon Gold 6256 (12 cores / 24 threads at 3.6GHz base / 4.3GHz Turbo all cores / 4.5GHz Max Turbo on 2 cores)

Xeon Gold 6246R (16 cores / 32 threads at 3.4GHz base / 4GHz Turbo all cores / 4.1GHz Max Turbo on 2 cores)

 

 

I think I will get one of these config (in used) for to replace my Xeon E5 v3 config in few years

 

For to compare, my Xeon E5-2667 v3 is 8 cores / 16 threads at 3.2GHz base / 3.4GHz Turbo all cores / 3.6GHz Max Turbo. It's huge difference for Xeon Gold 6250

 

For to remember, Core i7-9700K = 8c/8t at 4.6GHz Turbo all cores (stock). It can to say that Xeon Gold 6250 is really good. And with 2 sockets, it gives a total of 16c/32t at 4.5GHz all cores

[YT_DomDaBomb20]

On 7/1/2020 at 9:26 PM, YT_DomDaBomb20 said:

dual x5650’s oem dual Lga 1366 board,

So I made a change, opting for one x5670, cause I probably won’t be able to overclock, when my budget allows, I’m getting a second one. Any thoughts anyone?

[Slayer3032]

3 hours ago, YT_DomDaBomb20 said:

So I made a change, opting for one x5670, cause I probably won’t be able to overclock, when my budget allows, I’m getting a second one. Any thoughts anyone?

Prices of westmeres go up and down, one week X5675's are $20, another they are $40. My buddy bought his X5670 for $7(after a $5 coupon, thanks ebay). If you wait a month or two I'm sure you'll find another for a good price.

 

X5670 is definitely better silicon than a X5650.

[YT_DomDaBomb20]

20 hours ago, Slayer3032 said:

Prices of westmeres go up and down, one week X5675's are $20, another they are $40. My buddy bought his X5670 for $7(after a $5 coupon, thanks ebay). If you wait a month or two I'm sure you'll find another for a good price.

 

X5670 is definitely better silicon than a X5650.

Thanks for the advice 

[bimmerman]

Before I jump too much further down the virtualization/linux rabbit hole with the SR-2.....

Anyone interested in an SR-2, 2x Xeon X5675s, 24gb Ram, 2x Noctua air coolers for the SR-2 socket, potentially assembled/shipped in my Corsair 900D? The board works fine, all slots are recognized, is updated to the latest bios. The board just doesn't architecturally support virtualization the way newer systems do, and I'm running out of patience to deal with workarounds (aka, learning to lovehate terminal linux is utterly unappealing). If you're looking to build a riot of a vintage gaming rig, this would be a great start.

 

If interested, send me a message.

[bimmerman]

May have spoken too soon. Since I last fcked with the system, the single guy who has done multi-gamer virtualization on an SR2 seems to have posted a writeup with the linux commands needed.

 

Sooooo wish me luck, giving this one last attempt with an RATM soundtrack.

[T3DDY14]

37 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

May have spoken too soon. Since I last fcked with the system, the single guy who has done multi-gamer virtualization on an SR2 seems to have posted a writeup with the linux commands needed.

 

Sooooo wish me luck, giving this one last attempt with an RATM soundtrack.

Good luck, have had some issues with virtulization issues with an sr-2 before but never got it to work before the board died