General Intel HEDT Xeon/i7 Discussion

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That's ECC registered memory? What sticks exacltly? 

 

 

 

Not ECC. 1600MHz CL9-9-9 HyperX Savage DDR3, 3x8GB. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Zando Bob said:

Not ECC. 1600MHz CL9-9-9 HyperX Savage DDR3, 3x8GB. 

Needs a decent kit of DDR3 1866 (933mhz) CL 9, possibly get 2000+ from it.

Mushkin RedLine, Patriot Vipers, Corsair Vengeance.... If memory serves today are a few sets I had that would go 1100mhz CL 9-10-9-27-36 CR 1/2T 1.65'ish actively cooled. 

Never had any good luck with 800mhz sticks. But your doing really good!

 

 

[Guest]

Here Bro'ski - These I'd bid on, but lack the need. I have a few kits left still.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CORSAIR-Vengeance-CMZ16GX3M4X1866C9-DDR3-16GB-4x4GB-PC3-15000-1866MHz-RAM-Kit/193384105724?hash=item2d069746fc:g:zuEAAOSwjVReXFNr

 

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This is a nice kit for 80 bucks. Man. Adata good stuff DDR3. 80 bucks yet.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ADATA-XPG-8GB-2-x-4GB-DDR3-Desktop-Ram-1-65V-2133-MHz-AX3U2133W4G10-DR/264632132530?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225878%26meid%3Daca8a7be1db44f288280448b155d5ca5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D174222640608%26itm%3D264632132530%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebHighAdRateDecay&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

 

Or here 4 Mushkin BlackLine 2133mhz 4x4 65 bucks. Though don't OC as well as the RedLines. (Had a set of blacklines as well.) 

But on your system, pretty much set it and forget it here. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-4-Mushkin-Enhanced-Blackline-4GB-DDR3-2133-PC3-17000-Desktop-RAM-997015/184178828133?hash=item2ae1e9e365:g:YTQAAOSweKNeTp14

 

But yet was wondering you say x3? You mean 3x2 or just running 3 sticks? 

[X-System]

I found a chinese X79 dual socket 2011 motherboard for Xeon E5 v1/v2 on eBay (it was in the recommandations list), the model name is HUANANZHI X79-16D. I don't know this existence

 

You know it ?

[Zando_]

8 minutes ago, X-System said:

I found a chinese X79 dual socket 2011 motherboard for Xeon E5 v1/v2 on eBay (it was in the recommandations list), the model name is HUANANZHI X79-16D. I don't know this existence

 

You know it ?

They’re salvaged server chipsets with hodgpodge BIOSes and have no reliability and are barebones quality at best. Often don’t support certain features or sometimes can’t even run the normal RAM channels. I’d avoid the chinesium boards if at all possible. 

[Pasi123]

4 minutes ago, X-System said:

I found a chinese X79 dual socket 2011 motherboard for Xeon E5 v1/v2 on eBay (it was in the recommandations list), the model name is HUANANZHI X79-16D. I don't know this existence

 

You know it ?

It's probably similar to this one. It has an Intel C600 series chipset, not X79 which is for single socket only. I personally wouldn't buy any of those chinese boards.

 

 

[Zando_]

Reeeee, have the X58 rig aaaalmost stable, still getting crashes after 30+ minutes in P95 though . Currently running 4.6 core/3.8 uncore - 1.458v vCore - 200Mhz BLCK - RAM at 1995Mhz CL10-11-11-31 with 1.65v (VTT at around 1.4v or so IIRC). Like so:

 

RAM passed multiple Memtest86 runs as I was lowering the tRFC timing so that shouldn't be the cause of instability. I need to catch the rest of my voltages so y'all can let me know if I've got something running wack somewhere else, haven't gone this deep into all the systems before. 

[bimmerman]

Try 201 or 205 BCLK? I have had better luck with odd numbers. Mine was never ultra stable around 200 either.

 

GAHHHH i need to get my rigs up and running. Now'd be a great time to hodl it up on the X58 single socket. I don't think I can overclock the SR2 much with the noctua server heatsinks but I'm feeling a bit o' yolo.

[Zando_]

18 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Try 201 or 205 BCLK? I have had better luck with odd numbers. Mine was never ultra stable around 200 either.

 

GAHHHH i need to get my rigs up and running. Now'd be a great time to hodl it up on the X58 single socket. I don't think I can overclock the SR2 much with the noctua server heatsinks but I'm feeling a bit o' yolo.

Oh you can go hella far with these chips. A Gammax 400 with two 2000rpm NF-F14s strapped to it will handle an i7 950 at 1.45v, keeping it below safe max temps. My first X58 stuff ran a Gammax 400 as well, X5675 at 4.45Ghz with 1.38v or so. These chips don't spit out as much heat as you'd think, on my current rig the NH-D15S also keeps the CPU at 80C max in Prime95 with a 1.458v vCore on a 6c/12t chip (another 5675). You can probably handle 1.38v even with the smaller Nocs, which should get you to 4.2 or higher on most chips. 

And hmm, shall try uneven BLCKs when I get home. Muh pretty even numbers shall suffer tho

[bimmerman]

31 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Oh you can go hella far with these chips. A Gammax 400 with two 2000rpm NF-F14s strapped to it will handle an i7 950 at 1.45v, keeping it below safe max temps. My first X58 stuff ran a Gammax 400 as well, X5675 at 4.45Ghz with 1.38v or so. These chips don't spit out as much heat as you'd think, on my current rig the NH-D15S also keeps the CPU at 80C max in Prime95 with a 1.458v vCore on a 6c/12t chip (another 5675). You can probably handle 1.38v even with the smaller Nocs, which should get you to 4.2 or higher on most chips. 

And hmm, shall try uneven BLCKs when I get home. Muh pretty even numbers shall suffer tho

Ha, fair. I think my X5675 was a golden chip since it does 1.35 / 1.325 vtt for 4.5+ and 4 on uncore, granted with an AIO. I had to adjust a bunch of IOH and misc settings to get it stable above 4.5 though....i'll boot it up and screenshot for you. It'd be kinda fun to get it to run 4.7 and set it to fold its little heart out. Never was super stable but I also didn't want to exceed 1.4V because didn't want to burn it up. Kinda silly given how stupid cheap these are.

[Zando_]

8 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Ha, fair. I think my X5675 was a golden chip since it does 1.35 / 1.325 vtt for 4.5+ and 4 on uncore, granted with an AIO. I had to adjust a bunch of IOH and misc settings to get it stable above 4.5 though....i'll boot it up and screenshot for you. It'd be kinda fun to get it to run 4.7 and set it to fold its little heart out. Never was super stable but I also didn't want to exceed 1.4V because didn't want to burn it up. Kinda silly given how stupid cheap these are.

Eh if it's a gold chip then it's worth taking care of. You hit diminishing returns pretty hard above 4.5 on these as well IIRC. Similar to Haswell-E, 4.2-4.5 is "optimal" before you hit diminishing returns. I still run my 5960X at 4.7 because it does that at 1.3v lmao. Could drop it to 4.5 (it'll do that at 1.2) but MuH GiGaHeRtZ.

Defo would like to see screenshots tho, will help me with mucking about in my settings to try and get mine stable too. May have to drop lower than 4.6 . 

[bimmerman]

3 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Eh if it's a gold chip then it's worth taking care of. You hit diminishing returns pretty hard above 4.5 on these as well IIRC. Similar to Haswell-E, 4.2-4.5 is "optimal" before you hit diminishing returns. I still run my 5960X at 4.7 because it does that at 1.3v lmao. Could drop it to 4.5 (it'll do that at 1.2) but MuH GiGaHeRtZ.

Defo would like to see screenshots tho, will help me with mucking about in my settings to try and get mine stable too. May have to drop lower than 4.6 . 

Ok....here we go.

 

Gigabyte UD3R, X5675 running on a 240mm AIO, 24GB of 1600 rated memory (G.skill maybe?). Not that it matters, but running NVMe boot drive and an R9 290 right now.

 

Summary:

 

 

Frequencies and Multipliers:

 

Voltages:

 

 

and likely who-cares, but Memory Mult:

[Zando_]

Ugh. Still getting lockups, defo feeling closer to stable though. Currently at 4.2/2.7 core/uncore with 1.4v vCore (with vDroop on, it's up to 1.358v under load) and +50mv on the VTT (ends up around 1.34v in OS IIRC). DIMMs at 1.64v (slightly higher in OS) at about 1750MHz CL9-10-10-27 with tRFC at 160. It passed one round of Memtest86 just fine, but I'm going to leave the rig running that overnight and see if any errors pop up. If that's fine I'll then slightly up voltages and run P95 Blend and hope it hasn't crashed when I get home from work. 

 

As a slight bit of funkiness, it's set to target 2116MHz on the RAM (so over 900Mhz*2) but it's running 877.7Mhz*2 instead.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

As a slight bit of funkiness, it's set to target 2116MHz on the RAM (so over 900Mhz*2) but it's running 877.7Mhz*2 instead.

Set target on what divider?

[bimmerman]

Did some assembling on the SR2. Realized I need custom cables to make cable management anything beyond its current horrendous state....so let's call this a fit check.

 

Corsair 900D

SR2

2x X5675

48 GB

AX1600i

2x R9 290

HD5870

2.5/3.5 drives

 PCIe USB 3.0 card for vm passthrough

LSI HBA for SATA drives

 

I'm thinking red and black theme, maybe interleave the ram modules for giggles?

 

 

 

Once this thing works, and I figure out the GPUs, and the plague abates....watercooling time! Or maybe air cool gpu water cool processor and board..... @Zando Bob....

[Zando_]

11 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Set target on what divider?

Divider? Not familiar with the term, haven't ever gone really deep into RAM stuff, this is the most I've messed with it so far. Current settings:

 

 

@bimmerman  Gotta track down that second block then! WCing the board/CPUs will defo eliminate northbridge temps as an issue, look sweet af too. As for color scheme, red/black is the way to go with these. Tis what I'm doing with my Classy 4-way based rig, will eventually get red/black custom cables and swap fan corners to red (on the all black frames) to finish out the look. 

[Guest]

Bios says 2:12 divider right next to the frequency. It should match cpuz mem tab.

 

I think for Intel its call a strap vs divider?

 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Bios says 2:12 divider right next to the frequency. It should match cpuz mem tab.

 

I think for Intel its call a strap vs divider?

 

Ah so that is the divider. Strap seems seperate though, or there are multiple? I have an option called MCH Strap on the main page:

 

Just above Uncore Frequency. 

[Guest]

Yep there it is. On auto so its restarting and dropping the frequency on you I bet. 

Set that manually near the OC speeds you're running should set up sub timings for you. 

 

Trial and error, please Im not super familiar with this generation of Intel platform. Wont hurt to research and read a little.

[Guest]

Also forgive my double post.....

 

Isnt the bus clocks to be 200?? Yours at 174 or is stock 100. At work so cant look it up atm.

[Zando_]

24 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yep there it is. On auto so its restarting and dropping the frequency on you I bet. 

Set that manually near the OC speeds you're running should set up sub timings for you. 

 

Trial and error, please Im not super familiar with this generation of Intel platform. Wont hurt to research and read a little.

Yee I have been reading up some stuff, figuring out all the voltages. And oho, shall try that when I get home. 

22 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Also forgive my double post.....

 

Isnt the bus clocks to be 200?? Yours at 174 or is stock 100. At work so cant look it up atm.

Stock BCLK is 133Mhz, I have it pushed to 174. It'll pass some benches with 200 or 220Mhz, but they aren't fully stable. In the 180s doesn't seem to play nice either, and I don't want to up voltages any further. 

[bimmerman]

2 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

Yee I have been reading up some stuff, figuring out all the voltages. And oho, shall try that when I get home. 

Stock BCLK is 133Mhz, I have it pushed to 174. It'll pass some benches with 200 or 220Mhz, but they aren't fully stable. In the 180s doesn't seem to play nice either, and I don't want to up voltages any further. 

Hm.....

 

When you've been finding the BCLK limit have you turned memory and cpu mults down as far as they'll go? I bet you'll find your stable limit is higher if you compensate with the other mults.

 

The bios looks similar to the SR-2 so I should be in tinkering mode within a day or so.

[Zando_]

4 minutes ago, bimmerman said:

Hm.....

 

When you've been finding the BCLK limit have you turned memory and cpu mults down as far as they'll go? I bet you'll find your stable limit is higher if you compensate with the other mults.

 

The bios looks similar to the SR-2 so I should be in tinkering mode within a day or so.

I didn't turn them all the way down, but I did drop them to clocks the CPU should have been able to manage. Around 4.2/3.3 core/uncore or so IIRC. 

And yee the BIOS is similar on the SR-2, and I think you can turn it to a black background/white text mode that is so, so much easier on the eyes. Controls will be different though, the SR-2 is on 5520, not X58, so it's a little funkier. 

[bimmerman]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I didn't turn them all the way down, but I did drop them to clocks the CPU should have been able to manage. Around 4.2/3.3 core/uncore or so IIRC. 

And yee the BIOS is similar on the SR-2, and I think you can turn it to a black background/white text mode that is so, so much easier on the eyes. Controls will be different though, the SR-2 is on 5520, not X58, so it's a little funkier. 

Ah, gotcha.

 

I'd recommend turning the mults down to something silly low while you bench test your bclk and voltages, if you want to raise them. I like going through each 'group' individually-- low cpu mult (like, 10x), low mem mult (6 or 8x), each with decent volts, then raising BCLK in steps of 10 then bench then adjust voltages. Once you get to the 1.4 ish V range then that's where you're at, but you can fall into 'bclk holes' where more volts don't do anything but much more freq adds stability. Then focus on memory mult-- leave bclk voltage where you found it but dial it back to stock, key in the mem mult for your eventual desired setting (eg, 200bclk * 10x mem = 2000 mem speed), whatever volts you think it'll run at, then step bclk back to that already tested speed. Then, dial back down, key in a CPU mult you want to run (eg 23) and step up bclk, adjusting cpu volts each time for stability.

 

I wrote a post in this thread a while ago with a more comprehensive guide.

 

then again, 4.2 is pretty solid so....meh?

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, bimmerman said:

Ah, gotcha.

 

I'd recommend turning the mults down to something silly low while you bench test your bclk and voltages, if you want to raise them. I like going through each 'group' individually-- low cpu mult (like, 10x), low mem mult (6 or 8x), each with decent volts, then raising BCLK in steps of 10 then bench then adjust voltages. Once you get to the 1.4 ish V range then that's where you're at, but you can fall into 'bclk holes' where more volts don't do anything but much more freq adds stability. Then focus on memory mult-- leave bclk voltage where you found it but dial it back to stock, key in the mem mult for your eventual desired setting (eg, 200bclk * 10x mem = 2000 mem speed), whatever volts you think it'll run at, then step bclk back to that already tested speed. Then, dial back down, key in a CPU mult you want to run (eg 23) and step up bclk, adjusting cpu volts each time for stability.

 

I wrote a post in this thread a while ago with a more comprehensive guide.

 

then again, 4.2 is pretty solid so....meh?

Yeee it's running 4.4/3.7 rn, if I can't get that stable then I'll rework it from the ground up and force my impatient self to suffer through the "proper" way of doing things . Or if I get a hankering for beefier clocks for them bench scores . Already have to properly tweak my X79 rig after this though, and then get on top of the RAM situation for my X99 as well. Can't continue claiming to be an OC enthusiast but then only run XMP on my RAM