Apparently AMD is starting to sell 8 core R5 CPUs.......... in Korea

[MageTank]

3 hours ago, Space Reptile said:

as much as id like this to be true , i like to remind you how easy it is to fake 

 

You can also change DMI strings with simple registry tweaks. It's why I never take things like this seriously, given how easy it is to change. 

[Bananasplit_00]

45 minutes ago, MeDownYou said:

Maybe it's like the semprons would be awesome to get some extra cores even if they don't clock as high

most of the AM3 chips can unlock another core, up to three extra cores on some chips iirc. i sold my AM3 system though so i have never actiually tried it sadly

[Jito463]

7 hours ago, MageTank said:

You can also change DMI strings with simple registry tweaks. It's why I never take things like this seriously, given how easy it is to change. 

If this is real, what someone needs to do is record an uncut video showing the physical CPU, then install the HSF and boot the system to prove it.  Otherwise, no one who's familiar with these tricks will ever believe it.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

It's probably the same thing that was going on with their Phenom series. Phenom II X3 series were basically quad cores, with one core (possibly defective, possible not) disabled. So it was possible to "unlock" that core with special motherboards. However, stability and the ability to unlock those cores are not guaranteed. 

 

So in this case, looks like Ryzen 5s are just Ryzen 7s that don't meet specifications for whatever reason, or just had 2 cores disabled to meet market demand.  

 

[Princess Luna]

Must feel bad for Ryzen 7 owners

[MageTank]

3 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

If this is real, what someone needs to do is record an uncut video showing the physical CPU, then install the HSF and boot the system to prove it.  Otherwise, no one who's familiar with these tricks will ever believe it.

Here is the location in registry. If you have a video camera, go nuts:

 

It is extremely easy to fake this sort of stuff. Here I am with my brand new 8700k running at 4.2ghz:

 

Now I want to break a world record...

 

Perhaps now you people see why I am skeptical of any sort of news that relies on DMI string's within task manager, right? 

 

 

[Type 2501]

This could turn out to be a good marketing move by accident, by putting 1 winner chip in maybe 1000. It become a real silicone lottery that everyone would want to buy a R5 now (as if they have a lot of them available for sale now). It also draw attention from people waiting for coffee lake. 

 

Honestly, will you built your system now, and not wait for coffee lake (or zen2) if you know,you got a change to win a R7 in a price of an R5?

[Jito463]

Just now, MageTank said:

Here is the location in registry. If you have a video camera, go nuts:

I think you misunderstood me.  I meant that someone who has one of the CPUs should record themselves with it installed, then boot the system to prove it's not a fake.

[MageTank]

Just now, Jito463 said:

I think you misunderstood me.  I meant that someone who has one of the CPUs should record themselves with it installed, then boot the system to prove it's not a fake.

Oh, I thought you meant to show that it's possible to do these DMI edits. My bad.

 

Yeah... As far as I am concerned, these chips are Ryzen 7 chips, with their DMI string changed. The cache size is 100% identical with the Ryzen 7 SKU's, and I have not heard of any "unlocking" added to any consumer Ryzen boards that would facilitate the old school Phenom era shenanigans that we saw with say, a 720 black edition Heka. While it is possible from a historical standpoint for AMD to cut CPU's down to meet demands, they tend to actually change the CPU in a way that they at least look like their cutdown counterpart. Highly unlikely that they would go through the effort of releasing a microcode that changes the CPU DMI string to be a lower SKU, while still giving it complete access to all of the cores and cache. Unless they do as you suggest, without any edits or cuts, I refuse to believe this is a real thing.

[Type 2501]

10 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Must feel bad for Ryzen 7 owners

There is always someone who will spend extra $ to buy a 1800x or 1600x knowing they could easily OC a 1700 or 1600 to the same speed, but would not bother to do it. I don't think they will feel that bad.

[Ithanul]

16 hours ago, WereCat said:

I wonder if the yields are so big that AMD can't bother to wait for non-fully functioning 8-cores or cut every functioning 8-core to sell it as 6-core so they are just selling it as an 8-core in 6-core boxes... (not likely, probably just a packing error? )

 

EDIT:

hmmm, it cannot be packing error otherwise the CPU would not report in PC as R5 1600(X)

Could be a repeat from the Phenom II days.  Instead, you don't have to unlock the extra cores.

I rather have a BIOS shot though of these chips showing the cores.

 

22 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

It's probably the same thing that was going on with their Phenom series. Phenom II X3 series were basically quad cores, with one core (possibly defective, possible not) disabled. So it was possible to "unlock" that core with special motherboards. However, stability and the ability to unlock those cores are not guaranteed. 

 

So in this case, looks like Ryzen 5s are just Ryzen 7s that don't meet specifications for whatever reason, or just had 2 cores disabled to meet market demand.

 

There where duos too that where locked quads.  I had one for my first build.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

3 minutes ago, Ithanul said:

Could be a repeat from the Phenom II days.  Instead, you don't have to unlock the extra cores.

I rather have a BIOS shot though of these chips showing the cores.

 

There where duos too that where locked quads.  I had one for my first build.

Unless all Ryzen series of chips are made differently, that seems to be the most likely of reasons. 

 

Yep, that was also true. For the same reasons, because they were defective or to meet market demands (as much of a waste that was). 

[Guest]

29 minutes ago, Type 2501 said:

This could turn out to be a good marketing move by accident, by putting 1 winner chip in maybe 1000. It become a real silicone lottery that everyone would want to buy a R5 now (as if they have a lot of them available for sale now). It also draw attention from people waiting for coffee lake. 

 

Honestly, will you built your system now, and not wait for coffee lake (or zen2) if you know,you got a change to win a R7 in a price of an R5?

But then everyone will start returning their CPUs if its a 6 core. Not a good idea. At all.

[Type 2501]

14 minutes ago, Abyss Gaming said:

But then everyone will start returning their CPUs if its a 6 core. Not a good idea. At all.

So you guys can just return any product with no fault on its own in the US?

Cause it is not how things goes in Asia. Once you open the box, a product replacement will be accepted only if you can prove the cpu is dead on arrival and you did nothing wrong to break it. (and no money back)

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Type 2501 said:

So you guys can just return any product with no fault on its own in the US?

Cause it is not how things goes in Asia. Once you open the box, a product replacement will be accepted only if you can prove the cpu is dead on arrival and you did nothing wrong to break it. (and no money back)

Must be different there for sure. In the us you can return to most stores within their return window as long as they still work. Or it's broken. And sometimes stores will just give you store credit if it's past the period. So yes very different lol. People would just buy and return over here. Would work in Asia I guess

[kladzen]

Does that mean we can maybe flash a threadripper into a 32core EPYC CPU or just get lucky and get a "EPYC" cpu shipped instead  

On a more serious note though... someone at AMD is properly getting fired for such a big mistake if this is a legit and not some fake news

[Doobeedoo]

Well that would be cool to get. 

[You_are_a_cunt]

I'd say it's fake.

Changing the CPU model in Task Manager is a trivial regedit task

[AnonymousGuy]

I'm going to refuse to believe AMD is *that* dumb.  Yes let's make it so there's literally no reason to buy half of our Ryzen product stack and offer a 8 core unlocked Ryzen 5...

[DeScruff]

This doesn't fully surprise me. AMD does have a history of disabling faulty cores to sell lower core versions. - and I'm sure R5 demand outweighs the amount of chips with only 1 or 2 cores failed. Sounds like some of the fully functional ones didn't get properly disabled.
- Hope nobody gets excited about having a 8/16 only to find out that one of the cores is faulty and should have been disabled.

Now does anyone remember those AM2+ and AM3 Motherboards that had a Core unlock feature? Makes you wonder if something like that would ever return...
That was the real Silicon Lottery if you ask me.
 

[Armakar]

On 03/10/2017 at 10:07 AM, Trik'Stari said:

Meanwhile: Intel is overcharging for things AMD is giving away free, and refusing to support their own ecosystem because moar money.

Overcharging? No, intel charges a premium for the fastest processors. An intel 6 core > AMD 6 core, an intel 8 core > an AMD 8 core.

 

And yes, moar money; so what? You do realise intel is a business and the main goal is to make money?

[Armakar]

On 03/10/2017 at 3:23 PM, wcreek said:

I could see the 12nm R7s having 10c/20t or 12c/24t

I wouldn't think so, there isn't much of a market for that. Sure, people still buy 1700s and dont use it for video editing, but 10, 12 and 14 cores would have a tiny market reguardless of the price;  it's total overkill. They'd make alot more money if they poured RnD money into much better IPC and clockspeeds.

[Trik'Stari]

3 hours ago, Armakar said:

Overcharging? No, intel charges a premium for the fastest processors. An intel 6 core > AMD 6 core, an intel 8 core > an AMD 8 core.

 

And yes, moar money; so what? You do realise intel is a business and the main goal is to make money?

Yes, yes they are overcharging. The entire NVME raid thing is an example. You have to pay roughly $200 for a small "key" that simply says "okay they paid so they can use it now" for a feature that already exists on the goddamned motherboard.

 

This same feature, which not only works better on AMD, is FREE on AMD's platform.

 

I was originally talking about a feature of the ecosystem, not pure processor speed, which isn't actually the best measure of performance to begin with.

[Taf the Ghost]

5 hours ago, Armakar said:

I wouldn't think so, there isn't much of a market for that. Sure, people still buy 1700s and dont use it for video editing, but 10, 12 and 14 cores would have a tiny market reguardless of the price;  it's total overkill. They'd make alot more money if they poured RnD money into much better IPC and clockspeeds.

Zen+ in 2018 won't have more cores. Zen2 in servers is listed, on a roadmap, to have 48c, up from 32c. Which is why we suspect each Zen die to have 12c in some configuration. 

 

As for the Market, you have to think about AMD's product stack to see where it is. The Ryzen 7 isn't really a gaming CPU. It's a hybrid utility CPU that gives a lot of room for good utility across the board. (This is why the 8700k is the way it is, so it can keep the Gaming crown and eat away at that hybrid market.) So the top SKU isn't about pushing more for games, so that's where 12c on AM4 is valuable. The theoretical Ryzen 7 2800X with 12c/24t at 550USD would be a CPU replacement in any AM4 setup. One could "upgrade" between 4c-6c, higher IPC and, likely, higher clocks for roughly the cost of a new mid-range GPU.

 

Now, the market below that gets a little wonky. We don't know how those potential 12c are setup. 6c x2 or 4c x3.  If 6c x2, that produces options of: 10c, 8c, 6c & 4c. If it's 4c x3, that's options of 9c, 6c & 3c. Either way, those are your new Ryzen 5, 3 and Athlons, and at higher clocks & IPC, there's a market. 

[pas008]

15 minutes ago, Arokhantos said:

Honestly i hope AMD keeps surprising and forcing out more cores, why we still have standard 4 core to 8 core cpu's anyway, its 2017 hello Intel AMD is knocking at the door, you may wanna answer

more cores arent really needed from them atm