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console vs pc i guess?

penmaster33

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1 hour ago, penmaster33 said:

so what do consoles do better I'm not trying to say pc is better than consoles, consoles are fun I like the ps2 but I mean like what do consoles do better?

Here's what consoles do better

  • UI is built for the living room experience and it works fine when sitting at your desk.
  • Options are easier to set up for the layman.
  • Some features are also easier to set up. For example on the rare occasion I stream on Twitch. On the PC I have to open up OBS, fiddle with some options, and hope for the best. When I did it on the PS4, it was log into Twitch, start broadcasting, and boop, done.
  • Consoles don't interrupt what you're doing to apply a system update. They just remind you one is available.
    • System updates aren't complicated and rarely, if ever, break the system. This not includes just OS updates, but any potential driver updates as well, if such a thing exists for consoles.
  • If an update is available on a game, the console will tell you there's one available. You can still play the game you want, but some (mostly online) features may not be available. This is unlike Steam where if an update is available, I can't play the game until it's done updating. So like when DOOM had its huge "remove Denuvo" patch, that was basically 24 hours I couldn't play the game (thanks slow internet)
  • Some convenience features are nice, but not inherent in consoles. Like HDMI CEC: I turn on my console and it turns on the TV, sets it to the appropriate input, and all that also turns on the sound system.
1 hour ago, Takieght said:

1. Hackers are in console games too just google it

But the penalty is more severe should they get caught. They have to buy another console essentially. Whereas on PC, you create a new account and rebuy the game.

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2. You can make PC's the same price as consoles with better performance

I find this hard to believe considering this is the closet I've gotten to matching the PS4 Pro's specs and it's still well over $400.

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PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psPTKZ
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/psPTKZ/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Athlon X4 880K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($85.98 @ PCM)
Motherboard: ASRock - FM2A68M-DG3+ Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard  ($84.98 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Memory: Crucial - 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($29.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba - 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($49.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - Radeon RX 480 4GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($215.00)
Case: Rosewill - RANGER-M MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $544.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-14 18:22 EDT-0400

 

Rationale

  • Processor: The PS4 Pro has a 2.1GHz 8-core Jaguar. In this I included a quad-core Athlon X4 running at 4.0GHz. The assumption is that doubling the speed but halving the cores will result in similar performance. Also the Athlon X4 uses the Steamroller architecture, which should be a bit better than Jaguar's
  • GPU: The PS4 Pro has something that resembles a downclocked RX 480 (911MHz vs 1120 MHz). So I went with the 4GB version of the RX 480 mostly because from the only resource about GPU memory consumption I could find on the PS4, graphics consumes about 3.5GB. Note: Since PCPP doesn't list any RX 480's with a reasonable price, I used the MSRP of $199 and added my local tax to it
  • Memory: 4GB for the GPU leaves 4GB for the system to keep it "fair". That same resource also suggested that 3 GB or so was used for the system outside of the game.
  • Storage: The PS4 Pro comes with a 1TB 5400RPM 2.5" drive, and probably a cheap one too.

You're welcome to show me something that performs better for the price. I'll even let you subtract the Blu-Ray drive like I did here.

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3. There are OS updates on consoles too

It's more annoying on Windows though, as I noted above.

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4. How is it easier to play with friends? Steam has all of the same options as XBOX with more choices

It usually "just works". It's better on Steam the game uses Steamworks for its multiplayer, but a lot of AAA publishers like Ubisoft, Rockstar, and others use their own multiplayer networking service that doesn't work with Steam at all. And in the case with Ubisoft, you'll be SOL playing with your friends because UPlay is a massive pile of poop. And then there's Battlefield on PC. Why do I have to open up a web page to have that web page open up the game? Why can't I just have all of my BattleLog stuff in the game itself?

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5. What do you mean by fiddling? I don't fiddle with my PC...

It takes more work to do some things on a PC than it does a console. Like for example, updating drivers. Apparently if you want to do it right, you have to download and install DDU, uninstall the drivers normally, use DDU to clean up the rest, then install the drivers. Oh, and since I don't want GFE and some other things because I adhere to the "don't add more crap than necessary" philosophy (because I believe over time extra crap can have a detrimental effect on the system), I have to go through even more steps during the driver install process.

 

And if I want to set up a Twitch stream...

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1 hour ago, nerdslayer1 said:

make a full 400$ pc that can destroy the ps4 pro( ps4 has 4.2 tflops GPU and plays most games at 1440p, 1800p upscaled to 4k), no used parts, you have to have a mouse and keyboard. 

seriously. new for new, a 400 dollar PC will be garbo.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

seriously. new for new, a 400 dollar PC will be garbo.

But that's the thing: it has to be new parts. If you let the used market get in the way the price can technically be free because "hey [friend who's rich and always has spare computer parts], can you give me [some normally expensive part]?"

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19 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

But that's the thing: it has to be new parts. If you let the used market get in the way the price can technically be free because "hey [friend who's rich and always has spare computer parts], can you give me [some normally expensive part]?"

No joke. Friend upgrades and have an older card laying around? FREEBIE! Of course you can spend console prices and destroy them, but it's completely situational. 

 

 

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Cost is the main thing IMO. A strong 1080p 60 fps gaming PC was around $600 or so not counting the Windows tax before the ether boom shot gpu prices to hell. I mean I think it's worth it because 60 fps looks so much better than 30 fps. But I still bought a PS4 for $220 new with Uncharted 4 last year to be able to play the line of awesome Sony exclusives such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Horizon, Nioh, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Yakuza, and Persona. And then everything else I play on my GTX 970 + Xeon E3-1231v3 gaming PC since it still kills at 1080p60 three years after I built it. I probably still wouldn't pay the $400 launch price for a 30 fps console, but below $250 I'm ok with it if it has great exclusives (I'm still torn on the Switch since it's $50 beyond what I want to pay for a console but Mario Odyssey looks incredible and BOTW is incredible).

 

I would fucking hate consoles if I played MP fps games though. FPS suck with a controller and paying for online play that should be included with the price of the game is garbage.

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2 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Cost is the main thing IMO. A strong 1080p 60 fps gaming PC was around $600 or so not counting the Windows tax before the ether boom shot gpu prices to hell.

A strong one was at least $700.  You could get a Pentium and maybe an RX 470 for $600.

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Just now, JoostinOnline said:

A strong one was at least $700.  You could get a Pentium and maybe an RX 470 for $600.

I don't know. I remember when RX 470 was $170 and you could do something like:

 

CPU: i5-6500 for $180

BOARD: Some H110 for $50

GPU: RX 470 4GB for $170

RAM: 8GB DDR4-2133 for $65

HD: 1TB 7200RPM drive for $50

CASE: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M for $60

PSU: You can usually find a nice 500W unit for $50 shopping around

 

I guess that's $25 over the budget I was quoting, so it was doable around $650 or so after counting the Windows tax if you went grey market like Kinguin or reddit software swap (and might as well since you're technically not allowed to use an OEM version on a system you build for yourself, and no one here buys retail Windows). I do think RX 470 4GB is a very strong 1080p gpu. It was probably the best value I had seen since the $220 R9 290 in November 2014. Well, until ether took off.

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Just now, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I don't know. I remember when RX 470 was $170 and you could do something like:

 

CPU: i5-6500 for $180

BOARD: Some H110 for $50

GPU: RX 470 4GB for $170

RAM: 8GB DDR4-2133 for $65

HD: 1TB 7200RPM drive for $50

CASE: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M for $60

PSU: You can usually find a nice 500W unit for $50 shopping around

 

I guess that's $25 over the budget I was quoting, so it was doable around $650 or so after counting the Windows tax if you went grey market like Kinguin or reddit software swap (and might as well since you're technically not allowed to use an OEM version on a system you build for yourself, and no one here buys retail Windows). I do think RX 470 4GB is a very strong 1080p gpu. It was probably the best value I had seen since the $220 R9 290 in November 2014. Well, until ether took off.

I think of an SSD as essential now, but I guess you don't need one for 1080p gaming.  I'd forgotten that RAM prices used to be lower too.

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1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:

I think of an SSD as essential now, but I guess you don't need one for 1080p gaming.  I'd forgotten that RAM prices used to be lower too.

I was actually using the current RAM prices since I can't remember how much lower they were a few months ago. Still sucks compared to 2015 though when I got my 16GB DDR3-2400 kit for $74.

 

I do think SSDs should be initially skipped for buyers on a budget. I like having an SSD for the quicker loading times into games, but I was on a bit of a budget when I built my current system and I would have hated to downgrade my GTX 970 to say an R9 280 to fit in a 250GB SSD. And anything less seemed like a waste back then in the days of 60GB game installs; even worse now in the days of the 100GB installs (eg Gears of War 4). I think SSDs are a great upgrade to add in later on once you have a good core to your system, though installing the OS again is a bitch I guess. I suppose for a straight gaming system a 250GB SSD and no hard drive is good, but I don't think many people here use their PCs only for gaming and pornhub.

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Consoles are good if you want a gaming experience without paying a lot upfront.  Eventually, you will be whittled down by $60 games and yearly membership fees, but it's easier to finance than investing in a rig upfront.

 

If you use a desktop for professional applications already, the cost of a gaming PC is really what you already have plus a good graphics card.  However, those who mostly just use a computer for web browsing, MS Office and Skype, are fine with just a laptop or tablet.  Hence, maybe it is a better deal for them to buy an Xbox One than try to build it themselves for $800.

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Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

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18 minutes ago, minervx said:

Consoles are good if you want a gaming experience without paying a lot upfront.  Eventually, you will be whittled down by $60 games and yearly membership fees, but it's easier to finance than spending $500-800 on a rig upfront.

I think people overstate the cost of games on consoles. It's pretty rare I pay $60 for a console game. The only one I have paid $60 for in this current gen is Persona 5 since it's an Atlus game and those often don't get cheap due to limited production. I just paid $42 for Yakuza 0 since it had really limited production in the US and isn't carried at a lot of places any more, so I jumped at that price since I never see it in the $30-$35 range. I paid $50 for Horizon Zero Dawn because I wanted to play it on launch day. But most other AAA PS4 games I have bought have been $20 or less and my next most expensive game after Yakuza 0 was Nioh at $36, which I sold to Gamestop for $40 after beating it and getting sick of it. There is a lot of competition in selling console games and if you shop around at Newegg, Amazon, Gamestop, Best Buy, Target, and Walmart you can almost always find really nice discounts on games.

 

The online fees are fucking bullshit though. They don't affect me though since I hate MP gaming.

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The main cost of consoles for many gamers is the fact that people buy several of them.  I was stupid to buy a PS4, 3DS, Xbox One and Wii U a few years ago.  I spent over $1000 on just those consoles alone when I could've had a machine that was far more powerful and capable in other aspects too.

PC Build: R5-1600.  Scythe Mugen 5.  GTX 1060.  120 GB SSD.  1 TB HDD.  FDD Mini C.  8 GB RAM (3000 MHz).  Be Quiet Pure Wings 2.  Capstone-550.  Deepcool 350 RGB.

Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

Wishlist: MP S-87, iPad, Yamaha HS5's, more storage

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To me the main advantages of PC are

 

1. You get a much better experience if you're willing to pay more for that smooth 60 fps (or higher).

2. You have real backwards compatibility, not counting Games For Windows Live. So no need to buy your old games again like you can be stuck with on Playstation when you upgrade to current gen.

3. You only have to upgrade the parts you need. For example a good cpu can outlast a console generation (see the Sandy Bridge i5/i7 from 2011 that are still good today).

4. You're not charged twice for online play like on console. You already paid for the online play when you bought the game.

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How aren't we over with this already? Holy crap.

 

The secret is: Grow up, get a job and grow your own personality. Once you earn your money yourself, it's far easier to figure out if you want or need to spend n amount on something.

 

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12 hours ago, minervx said:

Consoles are good if you want a gaming experience without paying a lot upfront.  Eventually, you will be whittled down by $60 games and yearly membership fees, but it's easier to finance than investing in a rig upfront.

PC games costs the same too you know. And it's not like Steam sale like sales are exclusive to PCs. Humble Bundle does consoles games. PS Store does flash sales and such that don't require a PS+ account. I have a Best Buy Gamer's Club that gives me 20% off any new game and it didn't cost me very much.

 

And sure, while it costs money to play online on consoles, that doesn't apply to F2P games or games that have a subscription fee already. Not to mention for PS+, you do get perks with it to further increase its value.

 

12 hours ago, minervx said:

The main cost of consoles for many gamers is the fact that people buy several of them.  I was stupid to buy a PS4, 3DS, Xbox One and Wii U a few years ago.  I spent over $1000 on just those consoles alone when I could've had a machine that was far more powerful and capable in other aspects too.

And why did you buy that many systems in the first place?

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i was a peasant

PC Build: R5-1600.  Scythe Mugen 5.  GTX 1060.  120 GB SSD.  1 TB HDD.  FDD Mini C.  8 GB RAM (3000 MHz).  Be Quiet Pure Wings 2.  Capstone-550.  Deepcool 350 RGB.

Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

Wishlist: MP S-87, iPad, Yamaha HS5's, more storage

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no

PC Build: R5-1600.  Scythe Mugen 5.  GTX 1060.  120 GB SSD.  1 TB HDD.  FDD Mini C.  8 GB RAM (3000 MHz).  Be Quiet Pure Wings 2.  Capstone-550.  Deepcool 350 RGB.

Peripherals: Qisan Magicforce (80%) w/ Gateron Blues.  Razer Naga Chroma.  Lenovo 24" 1440p IPS.  PS4 Controller.

Audio: Focusrite (Solo, 2nd), SM57, Triton Fethead, AKG c214, Sennheiser HD598's, ATH-M50x, AKG K240, Novation Launchkey

Wishlist: MP S-87, iPad, Yamaha HS5's, more storage

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1 hour ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If you're hung up on the term of "console peasants", you should probably examine what you're doing with yourself and why you feel a need to put others down.

you sound like a teacher trying to stop bullying

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57 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'd rather sound like that than like a bunch of 12 year olds who discovered porn and watched a few Quentin Tarantino movies for the first time.

lmao 

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5 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I'd rather sound like that than like a bunch of 12 year olds who discovered porn and watched a few Quentin Tarantino movies for the first time.

Must be nice. When I was 12 I had to watch scrambled porn.

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