Intel Celeron G3930 vs. Pentium G4560

[Fred Flintstone]

Well, the G4560 beats its 2-threaded little brother by a margin of up to 100% higher frame rates in some games, but there's a twist, and it involves the use I'd be giving to either of these chips and their prices.

Here, in Argentina, the G3930 costs around $50, but the Pentium goes for $90. I only want to get either of them as a placeholder until Q2 2018, and I'm not sure if 2X performance / 2X price is the way to go for me, since I'm only gonna be playing SA:MP, Bad Company 2, BF4 and Rainbow Six: Siege, maybe recording and editing some gameplay, but nothing "professional", nothing too heavy. So, which CPU would be the best choice for me right now? Also, going for the more expensive G4560 means no SSD in my PC. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions, I'll really appreciate them.

[Fred Flintstone]

I'll be playing at 768p, but nothing lower than Medium settings.

[Glennieboyyy007]

if you want to record definitely get the pentium out of those 2, it's worth it

[ImNotThere]

why are you getting a place holder? coffee lake will need a new chipset anyways

[You_are_a_cunt]

G4560, hands down. It has some resale value even if used so that $90 you spend now could turn into a $30 "loss" once you get the CPU you want in Q2, as opposed to a possible $50 loss if you get the G3930

[Jurrunio]

1. You cant reuse the mobo if you want to get Coffee Lake. Only buy these if you aim for buying current gen i5s or i7s used after Coffee's launch.

 

2. G3930 is very slow and only good for streaming videos from sources like Netflix or Youtube. Not just it lacks hyper threading, but clock speed is 2.9Ghz while G4560 is 3.5Ghz. For what you will do with it a G4560 is the bare minimum.

 

3. SSD is crucial, but not mandatory. As long as you give a bit more patience on boot times, just the HDD is fine.

[Fred Flintstone]

2 minutes ago, Glennieboyyy007 said:

if you want to record definitely get the pentium out of those 2, it's worth it

Well, with "recording" I meant small clips of SA:MP, is that still your answer? ...

2 minutes ago, ImNotThere said:

why are you getting a place holder? coffee lake will need a new chipset anyways

I'm probably not going to get an 8th Gen. Intel processor, this placeholder is just to wait and see what AMD has to offer with Zen 2.

2 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

G4560, hands down. It has some resale value even if used so that $90 you spend now could turn into a $30 "loss" once you get the CPU you want in Q2, as opposed to a possible $50 loss if you get the G3930

Even given the fact that Pentium = No SSD? You tell me. By the way, the used market is pretty weak here, so there's virtually no guarantee that I would be able to sell anything, it may be instantly as it may take months.

[You_are_a_cunt]

1 minute ago, Fred Flintstone said:

Even given the fact that Pentium = No SSD? You tell me. By the way, the used market is pretty weak here, so there's virtually no guarantee that I would be able to sell anything, it may be instantly as it may take months.

While an SSD is almost a guaranteed performance improvement overall, it doesn't matter if the CPU you're using can't handle the tasks you're giving it.

I'll take a better CPU over an SSD any day of the week.

There is no such thing as a "weak used market". There is always someone willing to pay sub-market prices for parts that are like new. Sure, it won't be instant, but it's recovered money nonetheless. That or you could just keep it and use it in a second rig

[Fred Flintstone]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. You cant reuse the mobo if you want to get Coffee Lake. Only buy these if you aim for buying current gen i5s or i7s used after Coffee's launch.

2. G3930 is very slow and only good for streaming videos from sources like Netflix or Youtube. Not just it lacks hyper threading, but clock speed is 2.9Ghz while G4560 is 3.5Ghz. For what you will do with it a G4560 is the bare minimum.

3. SSD is crucial, but not mandatory. As long as you give a bit more patience on boot times, just the HDD is fine.

I think I've seen a few videos showing the G3930 deliver +30FPS in Battlefield 1 at 1080p with the Ultra preset, +50FPS in GTA V with a mix of Very High and High settings at 1080p, RoTR at 1080p VSync enables I believe, etc. But if you guys tell me it's worth buying the G4560, sacrificing the SSD as a consequence, then I may end up taking your advices, I'll appreciate any extra information.

[Jurrunio]

Just now, Fred Flintstone said:

I think I've seen a few videos showing the G3930 deliver +30FPS in Battlefield 1 at 1080p with the Ultra preset, +50FPS in GTA V with a mix of Very High and High settings at 1080p, RoTR at 1080p VSync enables I believe, etc. But if you guys tell me it's worth buying the G4560, sacrificing the SSD as a consequence, then I may end up taking your advices, I'll appreciate any extra information.

If you sacrifice all the settings in games then G3930 can still clung on. In editing though it will be pitifully slow. Extra $40 is definitely worth it for the improvement it will bring.

 

Also, what is the graphics card you plan on using?

[mariushm]

39 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

Well, the G4560 beats its 2-threaded little brother by a margin of up to 100% higher frame rates in some games, but there's a twist, and it involves the use I'd be giving to either of these chips and their prices.

Here, in Argentina, the G3930 costs around $50, but the Pentium goes for $90. I only want to get either of them as a placeholder until Q2 2018, and I'm not sure if 2X performance / 2X price is the way to go for me, since I'm only gonna be playing SA:MP, Bad Company 2, BF4 and Rainbow Six: Siege, maybe recording and editing some gameplay, but nothing "professional", nothing too heavy. So, which CPU would be the best choice for me right now? Also, going for the more expensive G4560 means no SSD in my PC. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions, I'll really appreciate them.

What motherboard do you have now?

 

Look at what your motherboard supports and see what is available on eBay, you may find some processors in between those 2 choices which would be much cheaper than retail price. If you can buy from eBay, processors are pretty much safe purchases, they don't break easily and there's little interesting in scamming you by selling such cheap processors.

 

In my opinion you should save a bit more money and try to go for a Ryzen 1200 with a b350 chipset based motherboard because this combination will allow you to overclock your processor. With some overclocking, you'd get a really powerful system.

Then, you could get some money back by selling whatever you have now as a set (motherboard+cpu+cooler+memory).

 

Hopefully you're not relying on integrated graphics, because Ryzen has no integrated graphics so you'd need a separate graphics card.

 

[Fred Flintstone]

32 minutes ago, revsilverspine said:

While an SSD is almost a guaranteed performance improvement overall, it doesn't matter if the CPU you're using can't handle the tasks you're giving it.

I'll take a better CPU over an SSD any day of the week.

There is no such thing as a "weak used market". There is always someone willing to pay sub-market prices for parts that are like new. Sure, it won't be instant, but it's recovered money nonetheless. That or you could just keep it and use it in a second rig

Yeah, I guess you're right. The thing is that I had a Pentium like that just 2 months ago, but I sold it because I thought I was going to get a R5-1600, then I used that money to buy a graphics card that was on sale, and now I'm here performing "The Greatest Idiot LTT Forums Have Ever Met". But well, according to your comments it's still a good way to go.

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

what is the graphics card you plan on using?

A GTX 960 4GB, I got it because it was on a big sale. By the way, I'm more than happy with +30FPS capped.

9 minutes ago, mariushm said:

What motherboard do you have now?

Look at what your motherboard supports and see what is available on eBay, you may find some processors in between those 2 choices which would be much cheaper than retail price. If you can buy from eBay, processors are pretty much safe purchases, they don't break easily and there's little interesting in scamming you by selling such cheap processors.

In my opinion you should save a bit more money and try to go for a Ryzen 1200 with a b350 chipset based motherboard because this combination will allow you to overclock your processor. With some overclocking, you'd get a really powerful system.

Then, you could get some money back by selling whatever you have now as a set (motherboard+cpu+cooler+memory).

Hopefully you're not relying on integrated graphics, because Ryzen has no integrated graphics so you'd need a separate graphics card.

I have no usable motherboard right now, I was planning to grab a cheap H110 along with either of the CPUs I mentioned.

eBay is not an option for me sadly, my country is very restrictive with online importations.

I have a graphics card, the one I just mentioned above.

Getting a Ryzen system would also mean staying with it for a long time for me, so if I buy something Zen based it would need to have at least 6 cores.

[GER_T4IGA]

54 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

Well, the G4560 beats its 2-threaded little brother by a margin of up to 100% higher frame rates in some games, but there's a twist, and it involves the use I'd be giving to either of these chips and their prices.

Here, in Argentina, the G3930 costs around $50, but the Pentium goes for $90. I only want to get either of them as a placeholder until Q2 2018, and I'm not sure if 2X performance / 2X price is the way to go for me, since I'm only gonna be playing SA:MP, Bad Company 2, BF4 and Rainbow Six: Siege, maybe recording and editing some gameplay, but nothing "professional", nothing too heavy. So, which CPU would be the best choice for me right now? Also, going for the more expensive G4560 means no SSD in my PC. Thanks in advance for all your suggestions, I'll really appreciate them.

How are prices for other G4XXX. Their performance is similar but they might be way cheaper. Example: Here the 4560 goes for 90 and the 4600 for 65 ish from what I have sometimes seen.

[Fred Flintstone]

By the way guys, I need a PC as soon as posskble, since a friend is about to start a SA:MP server and I will be helping him with that, so saving for two or three months to get something better isn't a good option.

[Fred Flintstone]

11 minutes ago, GER_T4IGA said:

How are prices for other G4XXX. Their performance is similar but they might be way cheaper. Example: Here the 4560 goes for 90 and the 4600 for 65 ish from what I have sometimes seen.

0 availability of other Kaby Lake Pentium SKUs, and only G4400s from the previous lineup.