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Pewdiepie uses racial slur on livestream of PUBG, Firewatch dev files DMCA

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Now the DMCA take down issue is actually a problem. They have no reason that can be actively justified to do that. It comes down once again to how they think on a personal level. I hope (no matter how much I hate Pewdiepie) that this doesn't start a trend among game devs as there are enough already (Cough Cough Wargaming, Gaijin) that do it because they're a bunch of pansys that can't stand criticism. 


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7 minutes ago, lkarej said:

I have a gay friend who once told me "you know (name), there's a difference between gays and f@ggots" and told me about how he sees the difference between the two. (Basically the latter being the flamboyant people who let it consume their identity instead of just being a part of them).
plz no ban mods.

I think that's accurate too. I don't want or need to be making it very clear that I like gentlemen's sosig or that I am in a same sex relationship. Because most people don't care and it honestly causes more issues than it solves because those that don't tolerate you or support you are going to make it clear they dont like you and how you live.

 

The best way to fix that in my opinion is just be normal. Live normal lives. Like in TV shows and movies the whole "being gay" thing is way too forced. Why can't a character just happen to be a woman or just happen to be gay or just happen to be this or that.


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5 minutes ago, wcreek said:

I think that's accurate too. I don't want or need to be making it very clear that I like gentlemen's sosig or that I am in a same sex relationship. Because most people don't care and it honestly causes more issues than it solves because those that don't tolerate you or support you are going to make it clear they dont like you and how you live.

 

The best way to fix that in my opinion is just be normal. Live normal lives. Like in TV shows and movies the whole "being gay" thing is way too forced. Why can't a character just happen to be a woman or just happen to be gay or just happen to be this or that.

There's legitimate reasons, then there's conspiracy reasons.
Both probably have some merit to them.

I personally despise the second category listed, not because they're gay, but because of how they go about it. In fact I just read something that I just saw on facebook and actually shared on my personal page.
Spoiler for those who may read this, if you're not as open minded as I am, do not read this as you'll likely just flame me anyways.
 

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I am Lewis, the child of gay parents, and this is my experience of gay parents. My mother and father were never married, and while my father was homosexual, my mother identified as bi-sexual, and had spent several years in a lesbian relationship sometime prior to my birth. I was born as a result of a “one-night stand” after mum and dad had been drinking.

My parents never lived together, and I was in and out of foster care until I was about 8 years old, and only occasionally lived or stayed with my mother. During the years up until I was 13 I was in and out of foster care. I never met my father until I was two years old, and then I did not meet him again until I was 13. At that time I went to live with my father and his gay lover, my mother wanted me to spend some time with my father after not being around for my childhood.

I never liked living with them. Their “gayness” was like a religion, they seemed to constantly need to reaffirm their “gayness” through their actions. They seemed to have to prove to me that they were gay. It was like a religion, their only identity, their badge of honour. They constantly talked about it. Their “gayness” was their number one topic, more than anything else. They would introduce themselves to people by saying things like “Hi, my name is Simon and I am gay”. Straight people don’t do that. They don’t come out and say “Hi, I am Simon and I am straight”, but Dad and his partner would announce it and force it onto people.

Sexual innuendo was in everything. They were always “checking out” other guys even though they had been together 13 years. They weren’t close, yet they stayed together and I didn’t understand why. We could be at the supermarket and they would look at other guys and say things like, “Isn’t he good looking”. I was totally embarrassed. I felt that I could not bring my friends over, everything was “gay” in the house. Their behaviour was gay, the way they talked, their actions, everything. It all seemed greatly overdone and unnatural, and I was afraid of what my friends would think. I couldn’t introduce my father because I was ashamed of him. They would often make sexual comments about my friends once they had left the house, and I found this repulsive.

Dad and his partner would kiss me on the cheek. I always found that uncomfortable. They would always do it, even in my late teens. I knew from my friends and from movies and TV that teenage boys didn’t normally get kissed by their fathers.

There were few boundaries. Every couple of months I would be hit as a child. I walked on egg shells. There was always fighting between dad and his partner, and they would throw plates and food. I never felt safe. I was constantly aware of what was going on around me in the house. I felt sexually vulnerable. There were concealed cameras around the house in my private areas. I even came across video footage of me in one of their computers.

Other people thought I was gay too, and all of this deeply embarrassed me. I felt it was wrong. I felt that there was an expectation upon me that I should be gay, even though I had no feelings for males. I was expected to be gay by my gay parents. This led to great confusion within me.

There was no consideration of my feelings. They would make me food for school that I could not stand to eat. There was no checking in with me on what I wanted, or how I felt about anything.

We went to a 40th birthday party. I thought we were guests. I didn’t know Dad was the entertainment. Next thing I knew he was dressed in drag and singing Abba…I had no warning. It’s like “fat shaming” someone. I was publicly embarrassed …a lot.

I couldn’t talk to them about my puberty issues because they were not “man” enough in their behaviour or attitudes. It was like talking to women. I ended up having that conversation with a respite carer.
I remained with them both until my father left his partner when I was 17 years of age and my Dad kicked me out. 
Having nowhere else to go I continued to live with his ex-partner until I was 21. He was extremely controlling and took almost total control of my life, even down to making me sign a handwritten agreement giving him almost total authority over me in many areas of life, including total control over my bank account. Even after I had left there to make a life for myself, he still tried to contact me and exercise control over me until he was threatened with legal action.

My experience of living with gay parents left me emotionally scarred and feeling that my upbringing was both confused and confusing. There was a great void in my life that needed to be filled and never was, as I did not feel loved at any stage.

Yet, like others who have emerged from deeply disturbing backgrounds I have gone onto rekindle a growing relationship with both of my parents and also have found peace with the conservative values I now hold. Their values are not my values, but I still honour them for being my parents. To be honest without these experiences I would not have the clarity of the real issues involved in this matter.

Gays do look at straight people as homophobes if we don’t agree with their lifestyle. After living with them for all those years it left me with the view that being gay is often a “put-on” lifestyle. It’s a show. It’s all about “me, me, me” and not an ideal environment for raising children

Consequently, I will be voting against same-sex marriage in the postal plebiscite, and I urge you to also vote NO, for the sake of the protection of children.


Now, I'm not saying all gay people are like this. I'd wager the majority are very respectable people, just like everyone else. This story is the result of the second category of people listed under "the second category" in the discussion Wcreek and I are having.

If you read it and are going to flame me I will report you.
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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

You see, there's a difference between prosecuting you for using a word and not wanting to be around you if you use it. You are allowed to say whatever you want, just don't be surprised if people leave.

Well, that is exactly the point. To put the analogy to good use, the op is about a guy who went to another establishment, saw his previous guest and decided that the guests previous visit to his establishment should be purged from existance by law, since he did not like the way the guest behaved, even though he was completly fine with him at the time of the visit.

 

 

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Just now, lkarej said:

There's legitimate reasons, then there's conspiracy reasons.
Both probably have some merit to them.

I personally despise the second category listed, not because they're gay, but because of how they go about it. In fact I just read something that I just saw on facebook and actually shared on my personal page.
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I am Lewis, the child of gay parents, and this is my experience of gay parents. My mother and father were never married, and while my father was homosexual, my mother identified as bi-sexual, and had spent several years in a lesbian relationship sometime prior to my birth. I was born as a result of a “one-night stand” after mum and dad had been drinking.

My parents never lived together, and I was in and out of foster care until I was about 8 years old, and only occasionally lived or stayed with my mother. During the years up until I was 13 I was in and out of foster care. I never met my father until I was two years old, and then I did not meet him again until I was 13. At that time I went to live with my father and his gay lover, my mother wanted me to spend some time with my father after not being around for my childhood.

I never liked living with them. Their “gayness” was like a religion, they seemed to constantly need to reaffirm their “gayness” through their actions. They seemed to have to prove to me that they were gay. It was like a religion, their only identity, their badge of honour. They constantly talked about it. Their “gayness” was their number one topic, more than anything else. They would introduce themselves to people by saying things like “Hi, my name is Simon and I am gay”. Straight people don’t do that. They don’t come out and say “Hi, I am Simon and I am straight”, but Dad and his partner would announce it and force it onto people.

Sexual innuendo was in everything. They were always “checking out” other guys even though they had been together 13 years. They weren’t close, yet they stayed together and I didn’t understand why. We could be at the supermarket and they would look at other guys and say things like, “Isn’t he good looking”. I was totally embarrassed. I felt that I could not bring my friends over, everything was “gay” in the house. Their behaviour was gay, the way they talked, their actions, everything. It all seemed greatly overdone and unnatural, and I was afraid of what my friends would think. I couldn’t introduce my father because I was ashamed of him. They would often make sexual comments about my friends once they had left the house, and I found this repulsive.

Dad and his partner would kiss me on the cheek. I always found that uncomfortable. They would always do it, even in my late teens. I knew from my friends and from movies and TV that teenage boys didn’t normally get kissed by their fathers.

There were few boundaries. Every couple of months I would be hit as a child. I walked on egg shells. There was always fighting between dad and his partner, and they would throw plates and food. I never felt safe. I was constantly aware of what was going on around me in the house. I felt sexually vulnerable. There were concealed cameras around the house in my private areas. I even came across video footage of me in one of their computers.

Other people thought I was gay too, and all of this deeply embarrassed me. I felt it was wrong. I felt that there was an expectation upon me that I should be gay, even though I had no feelings for males. I was expected to be gay by my gay parents. This led to great confusion within me.

There was no consideration of my feelings. They would make me food for school that I could not stand to eat. There was no checking in with me on what I wanted, or how I felt about anything.

We went to a 40th birthday party. I thought we were guests. I didn’t know Dad was the entertainment. Next thing I knew he was dressed in drag and singing Abba…I had no warning. It’s like “fat shaming” someone. I was publicly embarrassed …a lot.

I couldn’t talk to them about my puberty issues because they were not “man” enough in their behaviour or attitudes. It was like talking to women. I ended up having that conversation with a respite carer.
I remained with them both until my father left his partner when I was 17 years of age and my Dad kicked me out. 
Having nowhere else to go I continued to live with his ex-partner until I was 21. He was extremely controlling and took almost total control of my life, even down to making me sign a handwritten agreement giving him almost total authority over me in many areas of life, including total control over my bank account. Even after I had left there to make a life for myself, he still tried to contact me and exercise control over me until he was threatened with legal action.

My experience of living with gay parents left me emotionally scarred and feeling that my upbringing was both confused and confusing. There was a great void in my life that needed to be filled and never was, as I did not feel loved at any stage.

Yet, like others who have emerged from deeply disturbing backgrounds I have gone onto rekindle a growing relationship with both of my parents and also have found peace with the conservative values I now hold. Their values are not my values, but I still honour them for being my parents. To be honest without these experiences I would not have the clarity of the real issues involved in this matter.

Gays do look at straight people as homophobes if we don’t agree with their lifestyle. After living with them for all those years it left me with the view that being gay is often a “put-on” lifestyle. It’s a show. It’s all about “me, me, me” and not an ideal environment for raising children

Consequently, I will be voting against same-sex marriage in the postal plebiscite, and I urge you to also vote NO, for the sake of the protection of children.


Now, I'm not saying all gay people are like this. I'd wager most are respectable people, just like straight people. This story is the result of the second category of people listed under "the second category" in the discussion Wcreek and I are having.

If you read it and are going to flame me I'll actually report you.
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Obviously one doesn't represent the whole group but I can see why some people still won't tolerate those of us that just want to live a life with the person I love who just happens to be a guy. But the fact that I like guys isn't something that I let define me or change how I go about my daily life. Since that's something I really don't think everyone under the sun wants or needs to know about me. It's not that I don't like that I like guys I mean I do or otherwise why would I be in a relationship with a guy? And it's not like I wouldn't want it any other way either. But I don't go preaching about it like it's a religion or I need to prove something. I don't. All the proof that you would ever need is by actions. I don't need to say that I'm gay if I give my SO a kiss or some other PDA. Which that is to be said, there is a place, time and amount of PDA that is acceptable. In some nearly most settings PDA isn't all that acceptable for straight or gay couples. But there are a few scenarios I could see PDA being okay within limit. I don't think a long face sucking session is exactly appropriate in any setting other than being home.


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1 minute ago, wcreek said:

Obviously one doesn't represent the whole group but I can see why some people still won't tolerate those of us that just want to live a life with the person I love who just happens to be a guy. But the fact that I like guys isn't something that I let define me or change how I go about my daily life. Since that's something I really don't think everyone under the sun wants or needs to know about me. It's not that I don't like that I like guys I mean I do or otherwise why would I be in a relationship with a guy? And it's not like I wouldn't want it any other way either. But I don't go preaching about it like it's a religion or I need to prove something. I don't. All the proof that you would ever need is by actions. I don't need to say that I'm gay if I give my SO a kiss or some other PDA. Which that is to be said, there is a place, time and amount of PDA that is acceptable. In some nearly most settings PDA isn't all that acceptable for straight or gay couples. But there are a few scenarios I could see PDA being okay within limit. I don't think a long face sucking session is exactly appropriate in any setting other than being home.

Pretty much how I look at it.
 


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I'm willing to lay money on the line that this is Pewdiepie's modus operandi. He does something seemingly innocently, waits for it to blow up, and then profits from it. He's done it multiple times and will get away with it once more. We just need to keep the spotlight away from him this time. 


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13 hours ago, Energycore said:

As long as what Pewd is doing falls under the definition of Fair Use (critique is fair use for instance), the developer has no legal right to use the copyright law to take his videos down.

 

Whether or not something constitutes Fair Use is a bit complicated though, and it's unclear whether what Pewd did is indeed Fair Use. But if it is then the dev has no right to take his videos down whether they call the game a marvel or a cuntfest.

Tell that to RIOT Games lol... If they ban you you're blacklisted from streaming their game or uploading vids based on their game


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1 hour ago, 8uhbbhu8 said:

Oh i'm offended!!! Oh no!!!! Someone help!!!!

 

 

 

Oh man the salt is real :P If your offended, well, that sucks to be you. Its part of life and will happen weather or not you want it to. Its a game guys. People are going to swear and curse at it no matter how well they do. Its the internet. What else do you expect?!!!! Anywhere where a large group of people gather with different view points and opinions has the possibility to become toxic. Too bad. Get over it. Its life.

there's a huge difference between "swear words" and racial slurs dude.  Holy fuck how are you not getting that.

 

literally nobody would care if he called that guy an asshole, a piece of shit, scumbag, literally ANYTHING other than a word designed to degrade an entire group of people, and one that isn't even in any way relavent to the situation

 


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2 hours ago, 8uhbbhu8 said:

Now the DMCA take down issue is actually a problem. They have no reason that can be actively justified to do that. It comes down once again to how they think on a personal level. I hope (no matter how much I hate Pewdiepie) that this doesn't start a trend among game devs as there are enough already (Cough Cough Wargaming, Gaijin) that do it because they're a bunch of pansys that can't stand criticism. 

They don't need a reason to file a DMCA take down.   So long as they own the copyright, no justification is required.   It certainly helps to have a legit reason for PR (so you don't look like a tool), but not as far as the law is concerned. 


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1 hour ago, Phate.exe said:

there's a huge difference between "swear words" and racial slurs dude.  Holy fuck how are you not getting that.

 

literally nobody would care if he called that guy an asshole, a piece of shit, scumbag, literally ANYTHING other than a word designed to degrade an entire group of people, and one that isn't even in any way relavent to the situation

 

Oh so what. Civilization needs to stop whining about everything and stop being direct assholes to each other, but it's just a word. If you let a word get to you when you're not even the recipient you've got other problems to deal with.


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Theyre only going after him bcus pewdiepie. Anyone else they wount give a shit about.


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16 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Oh so what. Civilization needs to stop whining about everything and stop being direct assholes to each other, but it's just a word. If you let a word get to you when you're not even the recipient you've got other problems to deal with.

 

I think it says a lot more about the disappointingly high number of people in this thread (and in the gaming community as a whole) that think it's totally fine and cool to toss racism around than it does about me for having a problem with it.

 

I'm not even saying "don't be an asshole to each other" since shit talking is a huge part of online gaming.  I'm just saying "don't belittle an entire ethnic group when you do", or else people might start to say you're a racist.

 

Here's what's implied by jumping straight for the racial slurs as an insult:

  • Being a member of the ethnic group the slur applies to is "bad"
  • Calling someone, regardless of their background, a member of said group is insulting to them
  • Calling someone a member of said group is worse than just using the standard bucket of insults

Once again, considering the points above, how am I not supposed to see you as being a racist POS if your go-to insult is to call someone a racial slur?  It's a perfectly logical conclusion to make. Fortunately it's super easy if you're okay with people thinking you're an asshole on the internet, but not okay with people thinking you're an asshole that hates black people and/or the jews.  Talk shit, just don't bring race/gender/ethnic background into it.

 

And adding on to that, when you're a public figure of any kind, especially one with an audience, especially when that audience includes a bunch of impressionable/dumbass kids, the shit you say carries a whole lot more weight than if joe shmoe says it.  Yeah, lots of people are assholes on the internet, but most of them don't have a platform to address millions of followers.


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41 minutes ago, miagisan said:

Back in my day you would get a whuppin' for using that language. 

 

Damn kids..... 

I remember the belt, but others might know the "chancla"...

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who even cares about pewpiedie end of the day the guy is a massive cunt always has been and always will be


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