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Posted · Original PosterOP

the temperatures of my processor are getting too high even though I have a 360 mm radiator thats about 1-2 inches thick! I have four fans in my case 3 blowing into the case through the radiator, and one exhausting out the back.(the fans that i have are not too good but the should still work!) when I put my hand inside the case I cannot feel the fans even though they are in the right direction. i know they are the right way because i can feel them the tiniest bit. I have a core i7 7700k that I use integrated graphics on. some games use more graphics power than others but it still works. my temps are around 50-60 degrees C when gaming and 25-35 degrees C when idle. I had it on a small overclock but it got too hot. this is a computer that I built recently so this is very confusing to me because this is my first pc that i built.(side note: my pump is fine it is pumping fine.) please, any suggestions?

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Just now, Tungstensniper said:

the temperatures of my processor are getting too high even though I have a 360 mm radiator thats about 1-2 inches thick! I have four fans in my case 3 blowing into the case through the radiator, and one exhausting out the back.(the fans that i have are not too good but the should still work!) when I put my hand inside the case I cannot feel the fans even though they are in the right direction. i know they are the right way because i can feel them the tiniest bit. I have a core i7 7700k that I use integrated graphics on. some games use more graphics power than others but it still works. my temps are around 50-60 degrees C when gaming and 25-35 degrees C when idle. I had it on a small overclock but it got too hot. this is a computer that I built recently so this is very confusing to me because this is my first pc that i built.(side note: my pump is fine it is pumping fine.) please, any suggestions?

ugh, 50-60°C is fine for a non delidded chip, with no overclock that's basically normal. You won't feel much air through a rad, but I'd help to know the model, rad fans benefit from having high static pressure, it's possible the fans simply cannot push enough air through the thick rad, however thicc rads usually have low fins per inch numbers. 


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To my understanding I've heard that cpu naturally runs hot. Watercooling won't drop your temps below zero or anything and in most cases it won't do too much more than air cooling for double the price. I'd say however that 50 to 60c is still really good temps for a cpu under full load. 

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1 minute ago, LTFoReal said:

To my understanding I've heard that cpu naturally runs hot. Watercooling won't drop your temps below zero or anything and in most cases it won't do too much more than air cooling for double the price. I'd say however that 50 to 60c is still really good temps for a cpu under full load. 

its not under full load... tho when i run aida 64 it goes to low 70's

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Just now, LTFoReal said:

To my understanding I've heard that cpu naturally runs hot. Watercooling won't drop your temps below zero or anything and in most cases it won't do too much more than air cooling for double the price. I'd say however that 50 to 60c is still really good temps for a cpu under full load. 

That's not really true, my i7 7700K is at 5.3GHz right now, there is no air cooler on earth that could such a chip since under extended load the cores sometimes hit the low 90's even with a delid and liquid metal all round. 

Just now, Tungstensniper said:

but dude, my rad gets noticibly HOT from touching it  even though it is THICC

Yeah that's normal during use, but how hot? You mentioned bad fans, what brand and model are they?


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6 minutes ago, Tungstensniper said:

I have a core i7 7700k

suddenly, i'm not surprised.

 

The TIM between the die and the IHS is TERRIBLE on the 7700k. to get lower temps, you MUST delid.


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Just now, Lord Nicoll said:

That's not really true, my i7 7700K is at 5.3GHz right now, there is no air cooler on earth that could such a chip since under extended load the cores sometimes hit the low 90's even with a delid and liquid metal all round. 

Yeah that's normal during use, but how hot? You mentioned bad fans, what brand and model are they?

i got the fans with a case i bought ill put the links to the case and rad here:

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811353122

 

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/4659502552169010486?lsf=seller:6136318,store:118816970369739030&prds=oid:12915856349663934947&q=thermaltake+radiator+360mm&hl=en&ei=mrmyWcDYCeamjwST2ZO4BA&lsft=gclid:CjwKCAjw_8jNBRB-EiwA96Yp1k_cb3KJmiZpTngAP7yyHf91jfv4C8YvdAO3TmuGGZmEKqGoKEVgNRoCUTsQAvD_BwE

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2 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

suddenly, i'm not surprised.

 

The TIM between the die and the IHS is TERRIBLE on the 7700k. to get lower temps, you MUST delid.

tim is thermal paste im guessing?

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Just now, Tungstensniper said:

Ok, those fans are NFG for a rad, you'll have to buy new ones, and that rad is... not one I'd recommend but I guess it does the job right. I would put new Static Pressure Optimised on my shopping list if I where you. 


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Theramal

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Just now, Tungstensniper said:

tim is thermal paste im guessing?

TIM= Thermal Interface Material, which as you guessed is indeed thermal compound, what Intel uses under the IHS is pretty shit at actual thermal transfer, but doesn't get worse over time (so they say, but I'd argue that one)


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1 minute ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Ok, those fans are NFG for a rad, you'll have to buy new ones, and that rad is... not one I'd recommend but I guess it does the job right. I would put new Static Pressure Optimised on my shopping list if I where you. 

well i mean im getting sp 120mm fans the corsair rgb ones for the rad

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1 minute ago, Lord Nicoll said:

TIM= Thermal Interface Material, which as you guessed is indeed thermal compound, what Intel uses under the IHS is pretty shit at actual thermal transfer, but doesn't get worse over time (so they say, but I'd argue that one)

i use 12carrat ic diamond. is that good?

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1 minute ago, Tungstensniper said:

i use 12carrat ic diamond. is that good?

The issue is not the thermal paste you use, it's the one that intel uses under the heat spreader. Also with the rad heating up, it could be your rad is getting over saturated with heat because the fans can't wick the heat off the fins.


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Just now, YubinTheBunny said:

The issue is not the thermal paste you use, it's the one that intel uses under the heat spreader.

ik im just asking if i were to delid and apply that would it be fine? or is there a more superior thermal paste?

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1 minute ago, Tungstensniper said:

i use 12carrat ic diamond. is that good?

IC Diamond is among the best on the market, but there is thermal paste under the metal thing on the CPU, which isn't so easy to remove. No matter how good the thermal compound you use, the stuff under the IHS will always be worse. 

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1 minute ago, Tungstensniper said:

ik im just asking if i were to delid and apply that would it be fine? or is there a more superior thermal paste?

Liquid metal all the way, normal TIM can pump out or dry and crack on direct die contact as the CPU die is much hotter and denser than on a GPU, so the paste takes a beating, unless you wanna reapply every 6 months, use Conductonaut or Hydronaut. (both from Thermal Grizzly)

 


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Just now, Lord Nicoll said:

IC Diamond is among the best on the market, but there is thermal paste under the metal thing on the CPU, which isn't so easy to remove. No matter how good the thermal compound you use, the stuff under the IHS will always be worse. 

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i know that the intel shit is basicaly bottle necking my temps, but im asking weather the ic diamond would be suffitient.

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Just now, Tungstensniper said:

i know that the intel shit is basicaly bottle necking my temps, but im asking weather the ic diamond would be suffitient.

 

Just now, Lord Nicoll said:

Liquid metal all the way, normal TIM can pump out or dry and crack on direct die contact as the CPU die is much hotter and denser than on a GPU, so the paste takes a beating, unless you wanna reapply every 6 months, use Conductonaut or Hydronaut. (both from Thermal Grizzly)

 

Yes, it's more resistant to the issues with conventional TIM, but still not ideal. 


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1 minute ago, Lord Nicoll said:

Liquid metal all the way, normal TIM can pump out or dry and crack on direct die contact as the CPU die is much hotter and denser than on a GPU, so the paste takes a beating, unless you wanna reapply every 6 months, use Conductonaut or Hydronaut. (both from Thermal Grizzly)

 

kk ill look into it. also is there like a waranty i can get to cover me if i fail?

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Just now, Tungstensniper said:

kk ill look into it. also is there like a waranty i can get to cover me if i fail?

Nope, maybe insurance, usually that covers accidental damage, but other than that you can wave bye bye to your warranty. 


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40 minutes ago, Tungstensniper said:

thanks everybody for helping!

What are you using for your pump, coolant, and waterblock.... because that is an aluminium rad....

 

Also it is good that your rad is getting hot. The hotter your rad gets the better it cools.


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