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Vegetarian yes, vegan no.

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Wow... Is this what the world has come to? 

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Vegan diets rely on plant based food, honey wouldn't count.

if you have to insist you think for yourself, i'm not going to believe you.

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It does come from an animal so the puristest of vegans wouldn't eat it. But bees are important for the world so nourishing them and taking their honey really doesn't seem that bad. As long as we do it right.

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2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

It does come from an animal so the puristest of vegans wouldn't eat it. But bees are important for the world so nourishing them and taking their honey really doesn't seem that bad. As long as we do it right.

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  Now let's just see if we can find, ... ah, there, a forager who's just returned to the hive.

 AB: Uh, excuse me, Miss. I can't help but notice you've got some lovely pollen sacks on you.
BEE #1: I bet you say that to all the bees.
 AB: Well, no not really. Look, I understand that that's protein to feed the hive but tell me. Where's the nectar that you've been gathering on all your flights?
B#1: [spits out nectar through tube in mouth]
 AB: Eeh. I thought only supermodels did that kind of thing.
B#1: Well how else am I supposed to empty my nectar sack?
 AB: Nectar sack?
B#1: Yeah, the big bag of enzymes that breaks down the sugar and the nectar. There's only one way in and out of me, you know.
 AB: Oh. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Please excuse me. You go, go right back to your work, okay?
B#1: Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Suika said:

Vegan diets rely on plant based food, honey wouldn't count.

but honey is derived from pollen, which is plant based.

(im pretty sure you're still right, but for arguments sake..)

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There's a bee involved (several bees actually), so no.

Anyone who tells you that you can't do something is unimaginative and probably a coward.

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Honey never rots therefore eating a little of it must be healthy, thereafter you should have it even if you're in doubt whether you religion is the one that allows it or not, particularly I think vegans is too harsh, to live a life without the pleasure of good food leads to quite the loss of a good part of it's joy.

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Am I the only one that thinks food is food? Unless you're ill, allergic, or incapable of ingesting a food item, just eat it! Depriving your body of nutrients isn't a good idea and as omnivores, we should be capable of eating a wide variety of foods to balance our diets, i.e. one egg (which is nearly 100% bioavailable) vs soybeans (60%) for protein and a few plants for carbs and other micro-nutrients and minerals. 

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7 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Am I the only one that thinks food is food? Unless you're ill, allergic, or incapable of ingesting a food item, just eat it! Depriving your body of nutrients isn't a good idea and as omnivores, we should be capable of eating a wide variety of foods to balance our diets, i.e. one egg (which is nearly 100% bioavailable) vs soybeans (60%) for protein and a few plants for carbs and other micro-nutrients and minerals. 

I've actually talked to a vegetarian who was convinced that we are herbivores.

 

I eat all kinds of meat regularly, but I understand why some people would be vegetarian or vegan though.  Animals are treated pretty cruelly on farms.  A lot of vegetarians will eat fish.  They don't have a problem with eating meat, they just don't want to support slaughterhouses.

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20 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Am I the only one that thinks food is food? Unless you're ill, allergic, or incapable of ingesting a food item, just eat it! Depriving your body of nutrients isn't a good idea and as omnivores, we should be capable of eating a wide variety of foods to balance our diets, i.e. one egg (which is nearly 100% bioavailable) vs soybeans (60%) for protein and a few plants for carbs and other micro-nutrients and minerals. 

This annoys me to no end when someone gets all snooty requesting gluten free stuff because of some stupid article they read online as opposed to someone like my co-worker who legitimately has a gluten allergy. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I've actually talked to a vegetarian who was convinced that we are herbivores.

I don't see how anyone could argue that we're herbivores. We've adapted to eat meat and plants. We can't eat just plants since we'll starve ourselves of certain key nutrients and will have excess of others if we try to hit all of the requirements. 

4 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I eat all kinds of meat regularly, but I understand why some people would be vegetarian or vegan though.  Animals are treated pretty cruelly on farms.  A lot of vegetarians will eat fish. 

That's why I prefer going to farmers markets from farmers that I've helped from the clinic. Humane practices and hormone usage (lack of) are worth the price I would pay. 

 

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Just now, Mooshi said:

This annoys me to no end when someone gets all snooty requesting gluten free stuff because of some stupid article they read online as opposed to someone like my co-worker who legitimately has a gluten allergy. 

I know what you mean. I believe you're referring to Celiac disease with gluten-intolerance that became extremely popular in 2010. I hate when people try to change their diets because a disease, that isn't affecting them, would be "avoided" if they did change. 

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We're omnivores, otherwise we would have lost some of our teeth thousands of years ago as they wouldn't be needed anymore.

 

Honey is basically food for bees and is stored in excess by bees so they're not really harmed by harvesting it.. well except maybe for the very rare few dying from the smoke which is meant to calm them as honey is harvested.. basicaly it's not a cruel thing.

The bees are still protected during winter by the beekeeper so they won't miss the honey.

 

Same for chicken eggs... it's not like you have to torture or force chicken to lay eggs.. and you could argue some cows could get sick if you don't collect their milk so again it's not a "hurting the animal" thing, just a mutua beneficial thing between a domesticated animal and humans

 

Vegans are just ridiculous imho

But honestly i don't care about them... it only pisses me off when i hear about vegetarian or vegan parents that impose their beliefs on they children/babies. IMHO if a kid comes to a hospital with nutrition problems due to stupid parents... they should at least get a person assigned to monitor each meal to make sure they get all a kid needs until kid can decide for himself.

 

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1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

Am I the only one that thinks food is food? Unless you're ill, allergic, or incapable of ingesting a food item, just eat it! Depriving your body of nutrients isn't a good idea and as omnivores, we should be capable of eating a wide variety of foods to balance our diets, i.e. one egg (which is nearly 100% bioavailable) vs soybeans (60%) for protein and a few plants for carbs and other micro-nutrients and minerals. 

I know with this opinion of mine a lot of people will get triggered and pissed but I think veganism is as bad as snake oil and it's the food equivalent of homeopathy. 

 

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

Vegans are just ridiculous imho

But honestly i don't care about them... it only pisses me off when i hear about vegetarian or vegan parents that impose their beliefs on they children/babies. IMHO if a kid comes to a hospital with nutrition problems due to stupid parents... they should at least get a person assigned to monitor each meal to make sure they get all a kid needs until kid can decide for himself.

Don't get me started with obnoxious vegan parents who refuse not only vaccination but also refuse breastfeeding for their infant child but insists on feeding their kids with soy milk. 

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Just now, hey_yo_ said:

I know with this opinion of mine a lot of people will get triggered and pissed but I think veganism is as bad as snake oil and it's the food equivalent of homeopathy. 

It's the same feeling that I get when someone tells me their dog loves, F#CKING LOVES, dry kibble... Have you tasted kibble from the big 5 (Mars, Purina, Blue, Hills, and Diamond)? I feel bad for those dogs, especially when they come to the hospital and a bag of Grandma Lucy's or Vital Essentials fixes everything due to higher nutrition and palatability. Give your dog a chicken wing uncooked! It'll go nuts and the bones will dissolve since the proteins haven't left ... the bone! Poor animals feeding themselves on McDonalds all day. 

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5 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Am I the only one that thinks food is food? Unless you're ill, allergic, or incapable of ingesting a food item, just eat it! Depriving your body of nutrients isn't a good idea and as omnivores, we should be capable of eating a wide variety of foods to balance our diets, i.e. one egg (which is nearly 100% bioavailable) vs soybeans (60%) for protein and a few plants for carbs and other micro-nutrients and minerals. 

Well there's the taste aspect, some foods don't taste good. But exactly my feelings about most things. Especially things that taste good, which meat generally tastes good. Unless it is expired or wasn't stored or cooked properly it's pretty hard to go wrong with a steak or a pork chop or some chicken nuggets (either fast food/frozen ones or home made ones). I agree though, we need a balanced diet of meat, fruits and vegetables and grains. Early humans were hunters and gatherers. That means they ate meat and berries and random greens/leafs.

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12 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

I don't see how anyone could argue that we're herbivores. We've adapted to eat meat and plants. We can't eat just plants since we'll starve ourselves of certain key nutrients and will have excess of others if we try to hit all of the requirements.

I mean he believed we aren't supposed to eat meat.

12 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

That's why I prefer going to farmers markets from farmers that I've helped from the clinic. Humane practices and hormone usage (lack of) are worth the price I would pay.

Ain't nobody (except you) got time for that. xD

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Being vegan can actually have some serious negative health affects so I have no clue why someone would do it

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17 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Nope. If joy can be derived from the food, it isn't vegan.

You may be shocked to learn that Oreos are vegan. :P

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8 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Being vegan can actually have some serious negative health affects so I have no clue why someone would do it

To feel a false sense of superiority, for going against everything humans are, just because they can.

Also to be able to annoy the entire world about how they are so much better than everyone else, because of their terrible life choices.

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