An ALL-AMD Gaming PC from DELL??

[nicklmg]

Buy Dell Inspiron Gaming 5675 on Amazon: http://geni.us/XfBtit

 

Pre-built desktops - they've always been less than ideal, but can AMD's comeback bring them back to relative relevance?

 

 

[ARikozuM]

I'm willing to bet $50 on the thumbnail being exactly how they ship their systems. 

[minibois]

"Some older titles can even get the ultra treatment"

You show Skyrim, the remaster of which that can run at 1080p, fully maxed out easily at 60fps stable on my Ryzen 1700 and RX 580 4GB PC.

[mariushm]

Pisses me off that they cheap out on cable management and interior looks.... different style sata cables, ugly usb3 connector,  power supply with rainbow of colors on cable and partial sleeving (though it's probably high quality delta psu), it's just ugly.

 

Would it kill them to make it all black or some other neutral color?

 

[Ovrtaker]

Where the heck did they build their $915 pre-mining PC? I can put together a comparable system for $906 right now (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hgx2d6). Also, based on quite a few sources (http://upgradeyourtech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-price-trackers/ and http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-570-custom-model-prices-leak/ for example) the price of an RX 580 has gone up around $200 since the mining craze started. A copy of windows is just $50 or so off ebay and a DVD drive is around $20 (though I didn't put one in the PC I made), so I'm very curious where the $160 extra dollars were spent...

 

Anyway I made this account since a lot of the recent LTT videos seem like they're either D4NK MAY-MAYS ("Chopping Up a GTX Titan... AGAIN!", "The CHEAPEST PC Case on the Market", "The Crappiest SLI Setup of ALL TIME") or complete misinformation from the consumer ("$1000 Gaming PC BUILD GUIDE!", "5 YEARS OF GAMING LAPTOPS TESTED!", "The Escalade of Gaming PCs - Maingear Omen X"). It makes me sad since I've followed the channel for years now.

[AshleyAshes]

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

Pisses me off that they cheap out on cable management and interior looks.... different style sata cables, ugly usb3 connector,  power supply with rainbow of colors on cable and partial sleeving (though it's probably high quality delta psu), it's just ugly.

 

Would it kill them to make it all black or some other neutral color?

Because that's what consumers say when they buy a Dell pre-built, not even an Alienware but a Dell, 'This thing had better have a cohesive color scheme on the inside!  That's all that matters to me!'

[mariushm]

20 minutes ago, Ovrtaker said:

Where the heck did they build their $915 pre-mining PC? I can put together a comparable system for $906 right now (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hgx2d6). Also, based on quite a few sources (http://upgradeyourtech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-price-trackers/ and http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-570-custom-model-prices-leak/ for example) the price of an RX 580 has gone up around $200 since the mining craze started. A copy of windows is just $50 or so off ebay and a DVD drive is around $20 (though I didn't put one in the PC I made), so I'm very curious where the $160 extra dollars were spent...

 

The memory you chose is only 2133 mhz, dell uses 2400 mhz memory (ideally should be 2667 mhz or better)

The hdd you added is an old model sold by a third party company through Amazon (new off the shelve hdd would be slightly more expensive)

You don't add optical drive in the list

You don't add mouse and keyboard

Your wireless is only n  , not ac (only 2.4ghz, not 5ghz)

The power supply in theory sucks more ... the one dell uses should be gold efficiency 460w psu, which is perfectly fine for ryzen 1400 and rx 580 , while your cx5... whatever is bronze eff.

 

On the other hand, Windows is probably only $10-20 for Dell, or practically free, and they may get kickbacks for bundling Office 30 and McAffee

 

You also get a ready built pc and time is money, you could say if your value your time at $10 an hour, it probably costs you 10-20$ to assemble the PC. Then it costs you 1-2 hours more to install the OS and drivers and everything.

 

[mariushm]

8 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Because that's what consumers say when they buy a Dell pre-built, not even an Alienware but a Dell, 'This thing had better have a cohesive color scheme on the inside!  That's all that matters to me!'

I know customers don't care.

BUT, since Dell orders every part and can order parts in huge volume for big discounts, it would be super easy to just order 50.000  black sata cables, it wouldn't be an additional cost.

 

You can see on the cables that they have stickers with different part numbers - it's almost like Dell ordered a million sata 3 gbps cables a few years ago and they're trying to empty the stock by using them on the optical drives, and have different batch of sata cables for hard drives.

 

The only reason I'd imagine having different sata cables would be if they have printed manuals where they say something like "You can install the sata drive using the RED cable which plugs into a sata port that's BLACK or WHITE.  The BLUE sata ports are high speed 6gbps and should be used for mechanical hard drives".

I sincerely doubt that's going on. I remember such things in manuals for Compaq 486 machines way back in the day (only with IDE cables and memory slots, obviously they had no SATA cables back then)

 

Or, they could change the contract with Delta or whoever makes their power supplies to pay 20-50 cents more for all black wires in the power supply and maybe add a couple more cable ties to have the bundle of wires tighter. 

 

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, mariushm said:

BUT, since Dell orders every part and can order parts in huge volume for big discounts, it would be super easy to just order 50.000  black sata cables, it wouldn't be an additional cost.

The only reason I'd imagine having different sata cables would be if they have printed manuals where they say something like "You can install the sata drive using the RED cable which plugs into a sata port that's BLACK or WHITE.  The BLUE sata ports are high speed 6gbps and should be used for mechanical hard drives".

I sincerely doubt that's going on. I remember such things in manuals for Compaq 486 machines way back in the day (only with IDE cables and memory slots, obviously they had no SATA cables back then)

 

Or, they could change the contract with Delta or whoever makes their power supplies to pay 20-50 cents more for all black wires in the power supply and maybe add a couple more cable ties to have the bundle of wires tighter. 

All of this, all of it, is pointless words for exactly this:

 

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

I know customers don't care.

So it doesn't matter.  Costumers don't care so it doesn't matter.  By your own admission, your opinions on it don't actually matter.

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

By your own admission, your opinions on it don't actually matter.

As long as they conform to ATX where possible, I'm fine with Dell's choices. 

[gonvres]

Nice to see an AMD Dell after all the Intel scandals they went through.

[HimymCZe]

as a someone who occasionally is renewing office PC as a part time job, this will NOT catch up (sadly).
SSD is a must + most firms prefer more compact (sometimes even barebone-style) looks with on-board graphics.

[Ovrtaker]

1 hour ago, mariushm said:

The memory you chose is only 2133 mhz, dell uses 2400 mhz memory (ideally should be 2667 mhz or better)

The hdd you added is an old model sold by a third party company through Amazon (new off the shelve hdd would be slightly more expensive)

You don't add optical drive in the list

You don't add mouse and keyboard

Your wireless is only n  , not ac (only 2.4ghz, not 5ghz)

The power supply in theory sucks more ... the one dell uses should be gold efficiency 460w psu, which is perfectly fine for ryzen 1400 and rx 580 , while your cx5... whatever is bronze eff.

 

On the other hand, Windows is probably only $10-20 for Dell, or practically free, and they may get kickbacks for bundling Office 30 and McAffee

 

You also get a ready built pc and time is money, you could say if your value your time at $10 an hour, it probably costs you 10-20$ to assemble the PC. Then it costs you 1-2 hours more to install the OS and drivers and everything.

 

Taking your notes into account, here (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MwrYxY) is a system comparable or better at $915 (extras mentioned below). Some math:

 

-$200 due to pre-mining graphics card pricing

$56 for Windows 10 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Microsoft-Windows-10-Home-64bit-License-and-Activation-Key-/272799962615?epid=900230617&hash=item3f842515f7:g:dI8AAOSwWkJY9YcR)

$15 for identical Dell keyboard (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Wired-Keyboard-KB216-580-ADMT/dp/B00ZYLMQH0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503872986&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+kb216)

$9 for Dell mouse (https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Dell-Optical-3-Button-Compatible/dp/B009W2U5BQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503873036&sr=1-3&keywords=dell+mouse)

~$20 for external dvd burner (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=external+dvd+burner)

~$15 difference for Office 2016 (http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/new-inspiron-gaming-desktop/spd/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop/ddcwrdsk931s?selectionState=eyJGUHJpY2UiOjg0OS45OSwiT0MiOiJkZGN3cmRzazkzMXMiLCJRdHkiOjEsIk1vZHMiOlt7IklkIjoxNDYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiUjVENUhOOCIsIlByaWNlIjoxNTAuMH1dfSx7IklkIjoxMTYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiNDZBUEY2NSIsIlByaWNlIjozMC4wfV19LHsiSWQiOjc0OSwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJBUjUifV19LHsiSWQiOjU3MiwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJGRzAwMTkifV19XX0%3D)

~$0 because Windows Defender blows McAfee away

$20 for assembly time

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$75 disparity between LTT price and total price of this system. This includes $40 for "assembly time" and a dvd drive which I don't feel most people need to account for, but the point here is that $75 is still a huge disparity. On top of this, this is not how I would spec a machine for this budget - why get an RX 580 over the $150 cheaper GTX 1060?

 

The largest problem of all is that I just did about an hour of research to find these parts and this spec. I don't feel that anyone at LTT spent even half that time doing research for this video.

 

P.S. You made some good points on where HW improvements could be made. Mind if I PM you if I end up building a rig sometime soon?

[iamdarkyoshi]

+1 for a non cancer thumbnail!

[Luscious]

My problem with these vendor boxes (Dell, HP and Gateway back in the day) is that they are simply overpriced, under-performing, difficult to upgrade due to proprietary assembly and BORING AF to look at. If you do your homework carefully enough you can get together a parts list of components that will be 100% compatible. It's your average Best Buy walk-in who isn't going to be combing through motherboard BIOS manuals and driver release notes online. They just want a box that when they bring home plugs in and works, or if it doesn't, they can return it to the manufacturer who will find and fix the issue, or provide a replacement box. Vendor boxes = stupid convenience. If there's a problem it's contained within the box - you simply take the box back and you are done. Sorry Linus, but It is NOT about compatibility or hardware certification in the slightest.

 

So where does the enthusiast go for inspiration? Did Dell or HP ever showcase a volume production system with 4-way SLI? What if I want to have high-end water cooling? Other than boutique builders who build custom, your choices are slim, and even these outfits restrict buyers to the specific parts they have on hand (cases, memory, psu etc) most likely due to bulk purchase discounts they have in place directly from  manufacturers. The overhead you pay covers the guy assembling it. Pony up an extended warranty and you have the luxury of sending it back beyond 30-90 days if a part fails.

 

You can say build-it-yourself = fix-it-yourself all you want till someone gets blue in the face. But if modding gives me the ability to select something so simple as a case color, pick LED lights, do my own cable/tube routing and end up with a build that is absolutely unique and spectacular to look at, alongside stack a motherboard with as many GPU's and drives as it can handle and PICK MY OPERATING SYSTEM OF CHOICE, then I will "always" choose to take the time to build my own personal computer. The fact that I can ALSO save a ton of money on the side versus pre-built for the same performance level is a huge added bonus.

[Granular]

Stop telling people a VPN can protect you from tracking by advertisers.

Browser fingerprinting, tracking cookies and being logged into Facebook/Google services/whatever are still going to give you away. It takes some paranoia level measures to avoid being tracked by advertisers.

[doomsdaytom1]

15 hours ago, Ovrtaker said:

Taking your notes into account, here (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MwrYxY) is a system comparable or better at $915 (extras mentioned below). Some math:

 

-$200 due to pre-mining graphics card pricing

$56 for Windows 10 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Microsoft-Windows-10-Home-64bit-License-and-Activation-Key-/272799962615?epid=900230617&hash=item3f842515f7:g:dI8AAOSwWkJY9YcR)

$15 for identical Dell keyboard (https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Wired-Keyboard-KB216-580-ADMT/dp/B00ZYLMQH0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503872986&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+kb216)

$9 for Dell mouse (https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Dell-Optical-3-Button-Compatible/dp/B009W2U5BQ/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1503873036&sr=1-3&keywords=dell+mouse)

~$20 for external dvd burner (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=external+dvd+burner)

~$15 difference for Office 2016 (http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/new-inspiron-gaming-desktop/spd/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop/ddcwrdsk931s?selectionState=eyJGUHJpY2UiOjg0OS45OSwiT0MiOiJkZGN3cmRzazkzMXMiLCJRdHkiOjEsIk1vZHMiOlt7IklkIjoxNDYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiUjVENUhOOCIsIlByaWNlIjoxNTAuMH1dfSx7IklkIjoxMTYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiNDZBUEY2NSIsIlByaWNlIjozMC4wfV19LHsiSWQiOjc0OSwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJBUjUifV19LHsiSWQiOjU3MiwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJGRzAwMTkifV19XX0%3D)

~$0 because Windows Defender blows McAfee away

$20 for assembly time

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$75 disparity between LTT price and total price of this system. This includes $40 for "assembly time" and a dvd drive which I don't feel most people need to account for, but the point here is that $75 is still a huge disparity. On top of this, this is not how I would spec a machine for this budget - why get an RX 580 over the $150 cheaper GTX 1060?

 

The largest problem of all is that I just did about an hour of research to find these parts and this spec. I don't feel that anyone at LTT spent even half that time doing research for this video.

 

P.S. You made some good points on where HW improvements could be made. Mind if I PM you if I end up building a rig sometime soon?

The dell system is $849.99, if I'm not mistaken. That kind of throws your pricing comparison off.

 

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/new-inspiron-gaming-desktop/spd/inspiron-5675-gaming-desktop/ddcwrdsk931s?selectionState=eyJGUHJpY2UiOjg0OS45OSwiT0MiOiJkZGN3cmRzazkzMXMiLCJRdHkiOjEsIk1vZHMiOlt7IklkIjoxNDYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiUjVENUhOOCIsIlByaWNlIjoxNTAuMH1dfSx7IklkIjoxMTYsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiNDZBUEY2NSIsIlByaWNlIjozMC4wfV19LHsiSWQiOjc0OSwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJBUjUifV19LHsiSWQiOjU3MiwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJGRzAwMTkifV19XX0%3D

 

EDIT: Also it has bluetooth, which you forgot. And also the wi-fi + bluetooth is built into the motherboard, you should price that in too.

[Bryan-10EC]

Why does everybody always "forget" to list the cost of a 100% legal copy of Windows in their build lists when comparing prices to a pre-built? Some even put those obvious temporary developer keys purchased from some shady website for 20 bucks in their list, like that's going to last... which just shows that most of these budget based lists and YouTube builds are done and then mothballed or taken apart almost immediately versus being used for years or even months (long enough for the dev code to expire).

Back on the topic- I don't understand the Dell hate. Well, actually I do. If you want to overclock or upgrade the CPU to the best the socket can supposedly handle, you are at the mercy of a locked Bios. The locked Dell bios may allow for a better CPU, but you need to check first. Overclocking? Ha. If you need to overclock, you need to build your own system imo (since you run a much greater risk of needing to problem solve if something gets fried).

The flip side of the PC DIY builder Dell hate is the fact that those same uninformed masses actually trust a Dell which gives them a used value (compared to home built).

[Ovrtaker]

On 8/28/2017 at 7:00 AM, doomsdaytom1 said:

The dell system is $849.99, if I'm not mistaken. That kind of throws your pricing comparison off.

Yeah I saw that it was $100 off at the time of posting, I just used the prices discussed in the video - $950 for the system, $915 for their build.

 

On 8/28/2017 at 7:00 AM, doomsdaytom1 said:

EDIT: Also it has bluetooth, which you forgot. And also the wi-fi + bluetooth is built into the motherboard, you should price that in too.

Check my expansion card, it's got Bluetooth . I've experienced a few too many integrated Wi-Fi failures to go that route.

 

20 hours ago, Bryan-10EC said:

Why does everybody always "forget" to list the cost of a 100% legal copy of Windows in their build lists when comparing prices to a pre-built?

I purchased my copy of Windows 7 off ebay in mid-2011 and have never had a problem - now running Windows 10! I also built my first PC in 2009 and hadn't done a clean install of Windows until last week (and that was only because I was tired having three copies of Steam without any showing up in Control Panel), so I guess I'm probably an outlier in the OS-problems department. I'd also suggest to anyone I know to get a legitimate copy of Windows 7 for $20 then upgrade to Windows 10 for free (which is still possible and is way cheaper).

[DoctorWho1975]

Tryin to get a buddy of mine to buy the 1800x version of this box.. he hasn't done it yet. 

[NumLock21]

Now review this one please!

 

 

[Bryan-10EC]

On 8/29/2017 at 5:04 PM, Ovrtaker said:

I purchased my copy of Windows 7 off ebay in mid-2011 and have never had a problem - now running Windows 10! I also built my first PC in 2009 and hadn't done a clean install of Windows until last week (and that was only because I was tired having three copies of Steam without any showing up in Control Panel), so I guess I'm probably an outlier in the OS-problems department. I'd also suggest to anyone I know to get a legitimate copy of Windows 7 for $20 then upgrade to Windows 10 for free (which is still possible and is way cheaper).

Just because it still works doesn't mean it is a legit key. Come on people- let's not be thieves just because we can get away with it. 

[ARikozuM]

On 8/30/2017 at 3:21 PM, NumLock21 said:

Now review this one please!

 

 

Why did someone put two Radeons inside a dehumidifier? 

[Bryan-10EC]

20 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Why did someone put two Radeons inside a dehumidifier? 

Dude. It's water vapor cooling. You seriously never heard of vaping?

[Suspi]

Welp. I was super excited about getting cheap Ryzen parts together for my main computer and this Dell popped up for Black Friday and became cheaper than anything I could put together. It was $850 bundle for the computer and a $450 "Dell Visor Virtual Reality Headset with Controllers Package". I don't think I could resell the VR bundle for MSRP, but ~$400 for this is ridiculous. I guess my build will now be the living room computer.