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Posted · Original PosterOP

Since Intel Is increasing cores in the upcoming Coffeelake desktop CPUs, (4c4t? in i3s, 6c6t in i5s, 6c12t in i7s) would they be a better buy compared to Ryzen 3/5/7 CPUs?

 

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Depends on what you use your PC for. For gaming, the i7 will be a better option than the R7. For rendering etc, the R7 will probably be better.


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All we can really say for sure (or close to it) is that the Intel chips will have better IPC numbers.... Who knows what the value will actually end up being though. Wait for benchmarks and prices.


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Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Depends on what you use your PC for. For gaming, the i7 will be a better option than the R7. For rendering etc, the R7 will probably be better.

Let's hope the 6c12t i7 can outperform the 8c16t Ryzen 7


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5 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

Since Intel Is increasing cores in the upcoming Coffeelake desktop CPUs, (4c4t? in i3s, 6c6t in i5s, 6c12t in i7s) would they be a better buy compared to Ryzen 3/5/7 CPUs?

 

Let me know your opinions.

from the looks of it, you aren't asking for a cpu just asking what do you think will be better

so just wait for benchmarks

 

 


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Hmm actually a really good question, I don't think they are going to replace the R7 I think that is going to be a really close fight with the R7 ending on top, but for R5 and R3 I can see the i5 and i3 winning, though the R5 vs i5 might also be fairly close, ofc this is all from a perspective of all cores used to the max. If we look at pure gaming then I would say 100% yes to coffee lake to beating Ryzen.

 

Though I would just wait until benchmarks. The best we can do is guess and it is fairly blind guessing, Intel can say all they want about 11% improvement, but I think we all know that we can't trust that.


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1 minute ago, ZM Fong said:

Let's hope the 6c12t i7 can outperform the 8c16t Ryzen 7

If they improve IPC by 10% and Coffeelake can clock like the 7700K, the 8700K will be able to beat most R7s

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The 8700 and 8700k will probably match up to the 1700 and above for Ryzen. Yes Ryzen will continue to have 2 extra cores but the stronger IPC from covfefe coffee lake will make up for that difference, matching up closely. 

 

However for the more budget oriented builds my guess is that the 1600 will match up vs the locked 8500 at 6/6 locked to 4.1 all cores maybe 4.3 or 4.4 max single core turbo.

 

Now again, for single threaded performance that will probably outmatch the 1600 overclocked at 3.9/4.0 ghz however, in applications where things like ram speeds and hyperthreading/Simultaneous multi threading matters the 1600 should easily win over most of the covfefe i5s when paired with 3200mhz memory and SMT enabled.

 

You really outta wait for pricing but I don't believe the 1600 will be completely obsolete. It will probably be a really toss up in almost equal performance with the locked i5s at 6/6.


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4 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If they improve IPC by 10% and Coffeelake can clock like the 7700K, the 8700K will be able to beat most R7s

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This is the best R7 score I could find, most R7s get 1700-1800cb.

5.1 is your most conservative expectation for the 8700k? Sorry but I don't think so: they're dealing with 2 more cores on the same die space these will probably never reach stable 5.0 or 5.1 under reasonable voltage, let alone 5.3. The 7700k already was bumping against thermal limits and intel probably still won't solder the IHS so they're likely to stay at 4.6 or 4.7 for most and maybe 4.8 or 4.9 on all 6 cores for really enthusiast overclockers on custom loops bumping up 1.5volts or close to it.


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3 minutes ago, frozeNNN said:

Do we have prices? 

The new gen CPUs are only slightly expensive compared to Kaby Lake counterparts, however unlocked models tend to be more expensive compared to their predecessors


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Just now, ZM Fong said:

The new gen CPUs are only slightly expensive compared to Kaby Lake counterparts, however unlocked models tend to be more expensive compared to their predecessors

So pretty much shit stuff from Intel again.

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I'd still say Ryzen is a better buy. Sure the covfefe will be faster, just like how Broadwell is faster or on par with Ryzen but they can't make coffee lake cheaper than Broadwell while making it performs better so Ryzen or TR would still be a good choice

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1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

I'd still say Ryzen is a better buy. Sure the covfefe will be faster, just like how Broadwell is faster or on par with Ryzen but they can't make coffee lake cheaper than Broadwell while making it performs better so Ryzen or TR would still be a good choice

Still, RIP Kaby Lake X


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8 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

5.1 is your most conservative expectation for the 8700k? Sorry but I don't think so: they're dealing with 2 more cores on the same die space these will probably never reach stable 5.0 or 5.1 under reasonable voltage, let alone 5.3. The 7700k already was bumping against thermal limits and intel probably still won't solder the IHS so they're likely to stay at 4.6 or 4.7 for most and maybe 4.8 or 4.9 on all 6 cores for really enthusiast overclockers on custom loops bumping up 1.5volts or close to it.

As I said if Coffeelake can overclock like the 7700K. I doubt that it will be able to. 4.8-4.9GHz will be the limit for most people unless you have a custom loop or a binned CPU.


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Just now, ZM Fong said:

Still, RIP Kaby Lake X

That is how I feel about it.

 

This should be interesting for sure, but I say the value is still in AMD due to the upgradeability aspect.

 

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I'm waiting to see how this will turn out but it seems like Ryzen is just a better option. On release kaby lake will cost way more. The 2 more cores on the i5 are nice but it's still got just 6 threads as opposed to the 1600's 12 threads. On top of that there probably won't be an upgrade path seeing as how the next gen cpus from intel are cannon lake (10 nm proccess) - I would expect that will require a new socket and chipset. That beign said if intel can really deliver smashing single core performance and the multithreaded performance of a 6 core in one package (i7) that would probably be a decent buy. We'll see but right now it's really exciting :).

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30 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Depends on what you use your PC for. For gaming, the i7 will be a better option than the R7. For rendering etc, the R7 will probably be better.

What about VMWare?


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1 minute ago, MrFriendism said:

What about VMWare?

If you want to do virtualization that's a no brainer: the 1700 will still be priced lower than the 8700k (likely) and have 2 more cores and 4 more threads: That's just better for VMWare no matter how you cut it.


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