Interesting Intel Coffee Lake & AMD RX Vega News

[That_PC_Kid]

Intel Coffee Lake price leaked. i7-8700K priced at $484 CAD (384 USD).

 

New insight on the RX Vega price confusion.

 

 

Intel Core i3-8350K 4C/4T

Intel Core i5-8600K 6C/6T

Intel Core i7-8700K 6C/12T

 

 

Intel Core i7-8700K is going to have a 11% increase on single-core performance and 51% increase on multi-core performance compared to the i7-7700K.

 

Intel plans on using B360 because of AMD stealing the B350 chipset name.

 

What are your thoughts on this news?

[FakeNSA]

3 minutes ago, That_PC_Kid said:

 

 

Intel Core i7-8700K is going to have a 11% increase on single-core performance and 51% increase on multi-core performance compared to the i7-7700K.

 

Intel plans on using B360 because of AMD stealing the B350 chipset name.

 

What are your thoughts on this news?

That intel B360 noscoped!

 

Nobody? Aww....

I hate myself.

[Trik'Stari]

51% increase on multi-core performance?

 

Dayum....

[TheRandomness]

Just now, Trik'Stari said:

51% increase on multi-core performance?

 

Dayum....

Well of course, new arch, higher clocks, and going from 8 threads to 12 will do that.

[Hiitchy]

Intel stealing the B360 name from AMD just screams petty.

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, Hiitchy said:

Intel stealing the B360 name from AMD just screams petty.

AMD took X370. Maybe Intel's just getting revenge.

[Hiitchy]

Just now, Crunchy Dragon said:

AMD took X370. Maybe Intel's just getting revenge.

Revenge... when AMD caught em off guard with Ryzen and whatnot. The whole naming scheme and Intel is just a mess in general right now. I'm still waiting for the 7980XE to see what'll happen.

[ARikozuM]

9 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

Well of course, new arch, higher clocks, and going from 8 threads to 12 will do that.

Since when does math matter to gamers? /s

 

On topic: I'm still confused as to why AMD ruined Vega with the pricing issue.

[TheRandomness]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Since when does math matter to gamers? 

Multi-core performance increases imply improvements for people who game and edit, game and stream, or game and render.

[porina]

7 minutes ago, Hiitchy said:

Intel stealing the B360 name from AMD just screams petty.

Who stole what now? Intel had a scheme going, that AMD let's say were heavily inspired by it picking numerical values of the next gen Intel, thus forcing Intel to pick a different number to avoid confusion that AMD intentionally started.

[Drak3]

10 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

new arch

Adding 2 cores and refining the process is not a new architecture.

[TheRandomness]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Adding 2 cores and refining the process is not a new architecture.

They're calling it coffee lake and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

[Drak3]

Just now, TheRandomness said:

They're calling it coffee lake and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt

Kaby lake...

[Armakar]

almost 400$ just for the CPU? Maybe Ryzen will still be relevant after Coffelake releases. Guess Intel didn't learn their lesson on price gouging. Hopefully AMD come back quickly with better IPC and higher clocks.

[spat55]

I've been holding out for 8700k for the last year, if it costs £380 it'll be DOA for me although I'll be willing to spend £320.

[spat55]

Just now, Armakar said:

almost 400$ just for the CPU? Maybe Ryzen will still be relevant after Coffelake releases. Guess Intel didn't learn their lesson on price gouging. Hopefully AMD come back quickly with better IPC and higher clocks.

Exactly, I'll buy the 1600 or 1700 and then I'll be able to upgrade to the later revisions of Zen if I want to, Intel will screw it up charging £380 for it when you can get a 1600 for £160.

[dizmo]

Seems to be a rehash of a few other posts

I'm pretty interested in this new line, I think the new i5's could very well be the go-to for gaming builds.

 

[NumLock21]

Any mobile news?

Only one was that 8500U, I need news about them mobile HQ.

[Armakar]

 

4 minutes ago, spat55 said:

Exactly, I'll buy the 1600 or 1700 and then I'll be able to upgrade to the later revisions of Zen if I want to, Intel will screw it up charging £380 for it when you can get a 1600 for £160.

 tbh, the massive ipc difference and huge clock boost of the 8700K probs means i'll end up taking the 8700k, even at double the price. Better platform, better chips; value only goes so far and i'm willing to pay that price for a great 6 core chip, it's better value then the crappy 7700K that's for sure.

 

However, I think the vast majority of people aren't willing to spend £400 on a 6c/12t chip when the 1600 exists, so hopefully Intel take a beating in market share again and cut the price down to atleast £300.

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

21 minutes ago, Hiitchy said:

Intel stealing the B360 name from AMD just screams petty.

You mean AMD stealing from Intel and Nvidia is petty, since AMD stole their naming schemes from them. Examples X399 when Intel came up with x99 series, B350 when Intel were the ones with the B150 and B250 series, also the R3, R5 and R7 ripped directly from Intel's i3, i5 and i7s, then the FE - frontier edition taken from Nvidia's FE - Founders Edition.

[Suika]

If that $384 is list price, retail price is probably higher, $399-419 likely. If that's the case then Ryzen has won me over, I could take the difference in an R7 1700 and 8700k and put that towards a small custom loop I was toying with the idea of. That or I could just not upgrade at all lul.

[Sauron]

30 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

51% increase on multi-core performance?

 

Dayum....

Well, 50% more cores, makes sense you'd get 50% more performance. The problem is that at 400$ this isn't really going to be competing with the ryzen 7 1700, which probably has better multithreaded performance in the first place, so yeah...

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 hour ago, Armakar said:

almost 400$ just for the CPU? Maybe Ryzen will still be relevant after Coffelake releases. Guess Intel didn't learn their lesson on price gouging. 

I actually think this is what should be expected. I mean, it is Intel rE-aligning its performance per dollar to match the new market, then adding a premium due to better max performance. I don't see what lesson is there to be learned: they'll have somewhat worse performance per dollar than AMD, but not much, and they will largely outsell AMD. Their current lineup did become insanely bad in value terms do to AMD's catching up, but if these prices are confirmed for Coffee Lake things will return to normal. I mean, yes, it has fewer cores, but if at the end of the day it still matches Ryzen 7's multi-threaded performance and maintains a safe lead in single-threaded performance, it will have no problem in collecting a moderate price premium. It will annihilate older generation i7s, i5s, and i3s at MSRP, though, but stocks don't need to be cleared at MSRP anyway  

[SpaceGhostC2C]

5 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Well, 50% more cores, makes sense you'd get 50% more performance. The problem is that at 400$ this isn't really going to be competing with the ryzen 7 1700, which probably has better multithreaded performance in the first place, so yeah...

People where paying 330-350 EUR for the 7700K, and I don't think sales have plummeted since Ryzen's release. I know (and Intel knows) they could not hope to keep that going for ever, but I don't think they will have trouble marketing a 30-50 EUR more expensive CPU with 50% more cores and the "latest and shiniest" tag on it. 

Also, remember that AMD also sells the 1800x, because  Stacking the CPUs by price, the highest-end Intel CPU will be cheaper than the highest-end AMD CPU. I don't think Intel will have a problem spinning that.

[Armakar]

2 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I actually think this is what should be expected. I mean, it is Intel r-aligning its performance per dollar to match the new market, then adding a premium due to better max performance. I don't see what lesson is there to be learned: they'll have somewhat worse performance per dollar than AMD, but not much, and they will largely outsell AMD. Their current lineup did become insanely bad in value terms do to AMD's catching up, but if these prices are confirmed for Coffee Lake things will return to normal. I mean, yes, it has fewer cores, but if at the end of the day it still matches Ryzen 7's multi-threaded performance and maintains a safe lead in single-threaded performance, it will have no problem in collecting a moderate price premium. It will annihilate older generation i7s, i5s, and i3s at MSRP, though, but stocks don't need to be cleared at MSRP anyway  

Well, the "intel premium" has come back a little with a mainstream 6-core introduced, however Ryzen still lowers it alot; we've got to remember there still will be debate on whether to get a 8700k, or a 1700 (with 2 more cores, 4 more threads) for a cheaper price on a cheaper platform. And, while yes, the 8700K will demolish the 1600, it is double the price (again, with a more expensive motherboard), so for people on a set budget who don't want to put an extra 200$ in for a 6 core, AMD will still dominate this side of the market. I'd say builds under 1000$ are still going to be in AMD's favour, nobody is going to spend almost half their budget on just a CPU.

 

As for Ryzen 5, again, while the intel premium will come back with a 6 core, we've still got a 6 core on AMD for a likely lower price, with hyperthreading, again on a cheaper platform. I'd say the only way we get the original intel premium back is if it's actually 11% IPC boost (not the bs 11% we were told about with skylake and kabylake), if they stop using peanut butter as thermal paste, and if they overclock as well as we've come to expect from intel. If the thermals aren't trash and the IPC has been boosted, i'll get the 8700k without a doubt, if it's pretty much Kaby-lake level IPC I don't mind going for a Ryzen 7; the IPC difference isn't even that huge between kaby lake and Ryzen 7.