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JayzTwoCents will no longer be accepting review samples from AMD, plans to buy his own units

Update: Jay made a video clarifying his concerns and what he is going to do going forward.

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This reflects the very interesting discussion in the latest WAN show, but Jay didn't commit so strongly until this afternoon.

 

 

Here is a part of the WAN show where they (Linus, Luke, Dmitry, and Jay) discussed this:

Maybe the REA (review embargo alliance) will actually become a thing?

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From what I am aware, AMD has released a statement concerning prices, but has not addressed the allegations made against them.

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Radeon RX Vega 64 demand continues to exceed expectations. AMD is working closely with its partners to address this demand.  Our initial launch quantities included standalone Radeon RX Vega 64 at SEP of $499, Radeon RX Vega 64 Black Packs at SEP of $599, and Radeon RX Vega 64 Aqua Packs at SEP of $699. We are working with our partners to restock all SKUs of Radeon RX Vega 64 including the standalone cards and Gamer Packs over the next few weeks, and you should expect quantities of Vega to start arriving in the coming days.
Read more at https://hothardware.com/news/amd-responds-radeon-rx-vega-pricing-more-499-vega-64-available-soon#rSWBXq4X401fB9bP.99

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-responds-radeon-rx-vega-pricing-more-499-vega-64-available-soon

http://wccftech.com/amds-official-statement-rx-vega-pricing-issue-side-steps-around-problem/

WCCFTech also mentioned the statement. I agree, it is questionable, but there it is. Nothing is confirmed, beyond this statement, and that Jay had made his announcement on Twitter. Take it as you will, but be advised to take it with a grain of salt

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I agree, that if they're raising the price of the base cards by $100 after their introduction that's a BS move. We'll see how it plays out, but that'd be the final nail in the coffin for AMD for me; I'd go Intel/Nvidia for sure on the new build.

 

18 minutes ago, BluJay614 said:

From what I am aware, AMD has released a statement concerning prices, but has not addressed the allegations made against them.

http://wccftech.com/amds-official-statement-rx-vega-pricing-issue-side-steps-around-problem/

WCCFTech also mentioned the statement. I agree, it is questionable, but there it is. Nothing is confirmed, beyond this statement, and that Jay had made his announcement on Twitter. Take it as you will, but be advised to take it with a grain of salt

That doesn't really address what Jay was upset about...

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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I agree, that if they're raising the price of the base cards by $100 after their introduction that's a BS move. We'll see how it plays out, but that'd be the final nail in the coffin for AMD for me; I'd go Intel/Nvidia for sure on the new build.

 

That doesn't really address what Jay was upset about...

It does and it doesn't. He is keeping with his integrity, and the integrity of his business. Getting caught up in this, provided it is true, AMD won't be the only ones getting hurt by this. Reviewers are already in a very tight position, and are at risk of having their credibility and names dragged threw the dirt.

I myself still plan do use Ryzen/Nvidia in my personal rig, but now the full AMD system I was doing for someone else using a R5 1600 is still going to have the same CPU.....I'm just not sure what graphics card I'm going to throw in it.... Especially with the plan being to fully custom water cool both systems.

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While I support the principle of the gesture is barely anything more than that: It's been more than a couple hundred thousand subscribers since he shouldn't really accept samples from anyone anyway. He's never been known to make embargo dates anyway and even regular performance reviews he mostly tries something different than just numbers (Live review while gaming, put it on an interesting-on-its-own-build, etc).

 

Another fact: He makes it a point to talk about Radeon products. If it's the same company and he wasn't just pulling a bit of a stunt shouldn't he return his Threadripper samples and procure that USD $999 for his flagship rig on his own?

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10 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

whats wrong with ryzen? just because Vega sucks that doesn't mean ryzen is a failure.  

Indeed: ties up with what I said above also.

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3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

While I support the principle of the gesture is barely anything more than that: It's been more than a couple hundred thousand subscribers since he shouldn't really accept samples from anyone anyway. He's never been known to make embargo dates anyway and even regular performance reviews he mostly tries something different than just numbers (Live review while gaming, put it on an interesting-on-its-own-build, etc).

 

Another fact: He makes it a point to talk about Radeon prodcuts. If it's the same company and he wasn't just pulling a bit of a stunt shouldn't he return his Threadripper samples and procure that USD $999 for his flagship rig on his own?

If you did a bit of research, he did mention that he was questioning even using Threadripper because of this. TECHNICALLY they are the same company, just two separate divisions. However, they more or less act like two separate, though very closely nit, companies. He also did mention that one of his reservations about sticking with Threadripper is that Intel isn't much better.

 

ONE MORE THING: by "a couple hundred thousand subscribers" you mean almost 1.2 million subs, right? And with that same metric, should ANY reviewer accept samples from anyone? I am including LTT in that question as well.

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21 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

whats wrong with ryzen? just because Vega sucks that doesn't mean ryzen is a failure.  

Aside from being owning the Radeon, thus being just as guilty, the ITX boards have been severely lacking and if Intel's next CPUs are on par with what AMD currently has I see no reason to give up features and board quality.

16 minutes ago, BluJay614 said:

It does and it doesn't. He is keeping with his integrity, and the integrity of his business. Getting caught up in this, provided it is true, AMD won't be the only ones getting hurt by this. Reviewers are already in a very tight position, and are at risk of having their credibility and names dragged threw the dirt.

I myself still plan do use Ryzen/Nvidia in my personal rig, but now the full AMD system I was doing for someone else using a R5 1600 is still going to have the same CPU.....I'm just not sure what graphics card I'm going to throw in it.... Especially with the plan being to fully custom water cool both systems.

I meant that he was upset about the supposed price increase of the 56/64 series, not the availability issues. Was he not?

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10 minutes ago, BluJay614 said:

If you did a bit of research, he did mention that he was questioning even using Threadripper because of this. TECHNICALLY they are the same company, just two separate divisions. However, they more or less act like two separate, though very closely nit, companies. He also did mention that one of his reservations about sticking with Threadripper is that Intel isn't much better.

 

ONE MORE THING: by "a couple hundred thousand subscribers" you mean almost 1.2 million subs, right? And with that same metric, should ANY reviewer accept samples from anyone? I am including LTT in that question as well.

1) I didn't do a bit of research so it's good to know that he at least can see this point as well. 

 

2) That was kind of my point: I have been extremely critical of Vega around this forums yet look at my rig: literally no better way to go at the time until Cannonlake and even then 6/6 locked should be slightly worst than 6/12 unlocked which is were prices will land for locked i5s vs Ryzen 5s

 

3) Yes I'd say that while revenue might vary a lot, anybody that's well over 500k subs shouldn't be sourcing prodcuts from companies anyway, it should be just a business expense. I'm ok with occasional giveaways and people really interested in 0 day reviews right on embargo day (This are things that Jay hasn't done for a while as I mentioned) but channels that very obviously get all their parts from companies directly and are quite massive and don't really need those parts are imo morally wrong to use that practice, yes this includes LTT sorry to say.

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You know the idea of separating AMD from Radeon Graphics sounds as good as ever, damage control to the brand and all, AMD is doing so great on the CPU side against Intel but failing on the GPU side quite ugly to nVidia, would hate if this drags AMD CPU side any down in any way.

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i'm surprised there's very little discussion about this. Jay is essentially calling out AMD on their BS and asking why they can't answer that one simple question of "what's the actual pricing of Vega?". Reviewers were lied to, consumers were lied to, because AMD literally skewed the pricing to drive sales... especially RX Vega 56 because 64 wasn't looking great anyway.

 

AMD is no means alone when it comes to pulling shitty moves but at least companies like NVIDIA have the performance to back up their talk. RX Vega has failed on performance, price and power consumption in relation to the competition which is more than a year old.

 

It's a bait and switch tactic and that's just not acceptable at all.

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2 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Another fact: He makes it a point to talk about Radeon products. If it's the same company and he wasn't just pulling a bit of a stunt shouldn't he return his Threadripper samples and procure that USD $999 for his flagship rig on his own?

 

 

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The launch of Vega certainly is not going very well.

 

*sigh*

 

And just when I thought we finally got some decent competition to the Pascal cards (which isn’t much of an easy feat as the Pascal GPUs are quite beefy)

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29 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, dizmo said:

I agree, that if they're raising the price of the base cards by $100 after their introduction that's a BS move. We'll see how it plays out, but that'd be the final nail in the coffin for AMD for me; I'd go Intel/Nvidia for sure on the new build.

 

That doesn't really address what Jay was upset about...

RTG and AMD are technically separate companies. Simple don't get an RTG GPU. I'll still get Ryzen.

 

34 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

 

 

RTG and AMD are technically different companies REEEEEEEEEEE

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47 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

1) I didn't do a bit of research so it's good to know that he at least can see this point as well. 

 

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5 minutes ago, wcreek said:

RTG and AMD are technically separate companies. Simple don't get an RTG GPU. I'll still get Ryzen.

 

RTG and AMD are technically different companies REEEEEEEEEEE

No, they're actually not. They're simply two separate divisions within the same company.

Ryzen was only a thought since it had high core count...but now that Intel is likely following suit, there's no reason to deal with an inferior motherboard.

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8 hours ago, dizmo said:

No, they're actually not. They're simply two separate divisions within the same company.

Ryzen was only a thought since it had high core count...but now that Intel is likely following suit, there's no reason to deal with an inferior motherboard.

Where are you getting "inferior" from? What motherboard doesn't live up to such a high standard?

They are and they aren't at the same time. They are two seperate companies owned under the same conglomerate known as AMD.

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7 hours ago, BluJay614 said:

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I believe he mentioned mITX before. If you look, well... Pickings are pretty slim.

I don't personally understand why anyone cares about mITX, though. I mean, I do understand that it's just their preference, but I don't understand why it's their preference.

ATX boards are pretty nice.

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7 hours ago, BluJay614 said:

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Someone's feisty. Have you bothered to look at a lot of the ITX boards? The better boards (Gigabyte) have issues with their VRMs and cooling. You can't run an AIO, and you need a specific type of air cooler to get the best performance.

 

They definitely aren't. They're not companies, they're divisions.

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6 hours ago, Dash Lambda said:

I believe he mentioned mITX before. If you look, well... Pickings are pretty slim.

I don't personally understand why anyone cares about mITX, though. I mean, I do understand that it's just their preference, but I don't understand why it's their preference.

ATX boards are pretty nice.

Haha, pretty basic. Size. Having a huge tower on the desk bothers me, and I don't have room for it on the floor.

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2 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

 

The tech industry in a nutshell:

 

Intel is full of scumbags

AMD is full of scumbags

Nvidia is full of scumbags

Apple is full of scumbags

Microsoft is full of scumbags

 

There is no escape.

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