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I have an i7-4790K and had it OC'ed to 4.6Ghz using a Noctua D15 air cooler.  I decided it was time to make the jump to AIO's, so sold that cooler and bought a Corsair H75.  Well I was only able to get to 4.4Ghz on the i7 with this AIO as it would run too hot to go higher.  I then replaced the H75 with an NZXT x41 and added a 2nd 140mm fan for push/pull.  That allowed me to get up to 4.5Ghz, but it almost runs too hot for my comfort level.

 

It just amazes me that the Noctua D15 outperforms both of these AIO's.  I have not tried a 240mm AIO as I am planning on selling this system, so not worth the investment.  Has anyone else experienced something similar?

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9 minutes ago, Gerr said:

I have an i7-4790K and had it OC'ed to 4.6Ghz using a Noctua D15 air cooler.  I decided it was time to make the jump to AIO's, so sold that cooler and bought a Corsair H75.  Well I was only able to get to 4.4Ghz on the i7 with this AIO as it would run too hot to go higher.  I then replaced the H75 with an NZXT x41 and added a 2nd 140mm fan for push/pull.  That allowed me to get up to 4.5Ghz, but it almost runs too hot for my comfort level.

 

It just amazes me that the Noctua D15 outperforms both of these AIO's.  I have not tried a 240mm AIO as I am planning on selling this system, so not worth the investment.  Has anyone else experienced something similar?

iirc the d15 is on par with 240/280mm radiators and single fan rads are not the best for heavy ocing

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1 minute ago, Gerr said:

I have an i7-4790K and had it OC'ed to 4.6Ghz using a Noctua D15 air cooler.  I decided it was time to make the jump to AIO's, so sold that cooler and bought a Corsair H75.  Well I was only able to get to 4.4Ghz on the i7 with this AIO as it would run too hot to go higher.  I then replaced the H75 with an NZXT x41 and added a 2nd 140mm fan for push/pull.  That allowed me to get up to 4.5Ghz, but it almost runs too hot for my comfort level.

 

It just amazes me that the Noctua D15 outperforms both of these AIO's.  I have not tried a 240mm AIO as I am planning on selling this system, so not worth the investment.  Has anyone else experienced something similar?

 

A high-end cooler, like the NH-D15, will outperform most 120mm and 140mm AIO's.

AIO's start to break even, or pull ahead, once you get into the 240mm, 280mm, or larger range.

 

A corsair H75 won't be better -- you are looking at something like the Corsair H105 or H110.

Even those, may only be a few degrees Celsius of improvement. 

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/noctua_nh_d15_review,10.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15/6.html

 

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the NH-D15 beats sevral 240mm AIOs  while being quieter, this is why i dont think AIOs are something you buy for anything beyond a GPU maybe

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Things like the NH-D15 and bequiet's DRP3 will outperform all 120/140mm AIOs unless they're particularly thick. They're generally on par with standard 240mm AIOs. 

 

AIOs tend to look a lot more serious and most will assume they're better than regular air cooling, but when you consider the actual surface area on a cooler as large as the NH-D15, it's not surprising they're on par with 240mm AIOs. 

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8 minutes ago, Gerr said:

Has anyone else experienced something similar?

Yes. That was a straight downgrade. 

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Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

the NH-D15 beats sevral 240mm AIOs  while being quieter, this is why i dont think AIOs are something you buy for anything beyond a GPU maybe

They can be useful for SFF builds as they remove the need to have a massive block right above the CPU. 

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Just now, Oshino Shinobu said:

They can be useful for SFF builds as they remove the need to have a massive block right above the CPU. 

oh yah thats another thing i guess, still dont agree with buying them much though

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I have a H100i v2 for a 7700k. I think it does a pretty decent job but ambient temperatures are also a thing here so the cold air in my room helps out quite a bit.

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Easy way to look at it: what is the effective heat transfer volume to the air? The D15 is quite big. Smaller rads wont have a chance against it.

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have you seen the surface area of D15?

6313_26_noctua_nh_d15_cpu_cooler_review.

 

it's pretty much the surface area of a 240mm rad if not bigger

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The x41 is a 38mm thick 140mm AIO, which is about 50% thicker than a standard AIO.  Taking the 140mm area, adding 50%, that's the equiv of a 210mm area, which is just behind a normal 240mm AIO.  Considering that NZXT makes some high quality AIO's, and that I have added a 2nd fan to it for push/pull, yes, I would expect this AIO to match the performance of most low-mid level 240mm AIO's only falling short of the top ones.  Sadly, it's actual performance doesn't appear to be what I had thought it would.

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adding thickness doesnt work the same as you think it does.  that extra thickness maybe adds 5% until you reach the point where its heat soaked and then its downhill from there. 

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1 hour ago, Prokart2000 said:

iirc the d15 is on par with 240/280mm radiators and single fan rads are not the best for heavy ocing

Agreed here's my experience.

 

Previous rig was a i7 5820K with a 4.3ghz OC and a 280mm rad regularly hit around 35 C idle and 65-67C under load pretty decent.

 

Current rig with D15.  Ryzen 1800X. 3.9ghz oc idle is 37-42C and 65-68C with less noise.

 

Not necessarily apples to apples but the cooler does do well.

 

 

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Would a Corsair H100 (original, not an "i" version) be an upgrade?  I can get my hands on a NOS one for fairly cheap and could replace the fans with better ones.

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19 minutes ago, Gerr said:

Would a Corsair H100 (original, not an "i" version) be an upgrade?  I can get my hands on a NOS one for fairly cheap and could replace the fans with better ones.

Not sure if there is much of a difference between the i and the original but yes a H100 with better fans will do just fine especially in the noise department the stock corsair ones are loud as hell.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Gerr said:

I have an i7-4790K and had it OC'ed to 4.6Ghz using a Noctua D15 air cooler.  I decided it was time to make the jump to AIO's, so sold that cooler and bought a Corsair H75.  Well I was only able to get to 4.4Ghz on the i7 with this AIO as it would run too hot to go higher.  I then replaced the H75 with an NZXT x41 and added a 2nd 140mm fan for push/pull.  That allowed me to get up to 4.5Ghz, but it almost runs too hot for my comfort level.

 

Big mistake from that point on. I take you haven't looked any reviews on D15 or the AIOs. 120/140mm AIOs are at same performance level with higher quality 140mm single tower air coolers. Like U14S and Dark Rock 3.

 

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Has anyone else experienced something similar?

 

It has been known since D15 came that it would be better than previous version, D14. Which already beat any small AIO and some early bigger ones.

 

17 hours ago, Gerr said:

Would a Corsair H100 (original, not an "i" version) be an upgrade?  I can get my hands on a NOS one for fairly cheap and could replace the fans with better ones.

 

No. D15 is still better. Here are few recent AIO reviews so you can see which AIOs actually beat D15 and how much. Ofc results would vary a bit depending on situation.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7277/corsair-hydro-h100i-gtx-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h100i_gtx_review,10.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h100i_gtx_review,11.html

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7320/corsair-hydro-h110i-gtx-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html

 

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By the way, those Tweaktown reviews show the NZXT x41 doing BETTER than the Noctua D15.

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19 hours ago, Gerr said:

By the way, those Tweaktown reviews show the NZXT x41 doing BETTER than the Noctua D15.

Marginally, but true. 0.5C worse on stock clocks, under 1C better with OC. You asked if it would be upgrade. I wouldn't call it that. You end up with more noise and more spend money for no improvement.

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I bought a cheap refurbished H110i GTX off eBay which will hopefully cool better.  Plus that allows me to save the x41 for it's original use, to cool my GTX 1080 FTW2 using the NZXT G12.

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10 hours ago, Gerr said:

I bought a cheap refurbished H110i GTX off eBay which will hopefully cool better.  Plus that allows me to save the x41 for it's original use, to cool my GTX 1080 FTW2 using the NZXT G12.

It's definitely better than the H75 but still pretty similar to the NH-D15.

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If it matches the performance of the D15, then maybe I can get back to 4.6Ghz, or at least an acceptable 4.5Ghz.

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On 8/19/2017 at 0:08 PM, Gerr said:

By the way, those Tweaktown reviews show the NZXT x41 doing BETTER than the Noctua D15.

It should be worse at equivalent noise levels, which is the fair comparison (though this not directly tested in that review). A lot of the AIOs can win or be competitive but only by really cranking fan speed.

 

Some of the better 280mm rads are closer to and might overtake the top air coolers at equivalent noise levels on high heat loads.

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AIO has the advantage when using larger rads because of the bigger surface that allows for heat to be dissipated.
High-end air cooler have the advantage with 2 fans over 120/140 rads.

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