Intel cannonlake and icelake

[StealthArsenal]

I swear intel must be working with Activision and the Call of Duty teams.  Lets just rehash the same things year after year.  Of course I'm not complaining because I like intel, but this just seems ridiculous at this point. 

[Okjoek]

INTEL NO

[ARikozuM]

9 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Why does Intel likes lakes so much? Every thing is a lake nowadays.

Those bridges had to go somewhere...

[ARikozuM]

1 hour ago, StealthArsenal said:

I swear Intel must be working with Activision and Infinity Ward. 

FTFY.

[LyondellBasell]

Skylake => Icelake will be the jump to go for. Kaby was disappointing, and while Coffee is both a nice core increase and a delightful beverage, it's not worth making a jump.

[tsk]

3 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

After Tigerlake is actually Sapphire Rapids for 2020.

 

The really interesting question is when Icelake lands. Holiday 2018 seems most likely at this point.

Q4 '18 is what Intel is aiming for, looks like they are gonna make that target too. 

[Taf the Ghost]

47 minutes ago, tsk said:

Q4 '18 is what Intel is aiming for, looks like they are gonna make that target too. 

We'll see. 10nm has been a mess for Intel, and EUV isn't going to hit full-scale production until late 2018 it seems. We'll see if Icelake or Tigerlake gets the first PCIe 4.0 on it. Though that might only show up in the server space, but there's already some compatible NVMe drives slated for Q4`2018. 

 

But, Icelake is a uArch upgrade & a node shrink because Cannonlake, on 10nm, isn't an improvement over Kaby Lake. We might be entering a rough patch for Intel.

[ravenshrike]

4 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

But, Icelake is a uArch upgrade & a node shrink because Cannonlake, on 10nm, isn't an improvement over Kaby Lake. We might be entering a rough patch for Intel.

 If Ice Lake doesn't hit until late 2018 it should be going head to head with Zen 2. That will be... interesting.

[themctipers]

what is on mobile and what is on desktop and what am i looking forward to?! 

[Lays]

12 hours ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Its a lake of sweat as they try to compete with AMD

Not sure what you mean, they're still winning in terms of raw performance, pricing is literally the only thing they aren't "competing" in

[ARikozuM]

8 minutes ago, Lays said:

Not sure what you mean, they're still winning in terms of raw performance,

Shhh, you're going to ruin people's hopes and dreams. 

[Lays]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Shhh, you're going to ruin people's hopes and dreams. 

For some reason people lately think price to performance means winning in raw horsepower too lol

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, Lays said:

For some reason people lately think price to performance means winning in raw horsepower too lol

Everyone also took up video editing lately, as well. 

[iamdarkyoshi]

1 hour ago, Lays said:

Not sure what you mean, they're still winning in terms of raw performance, pricing is literally the only thing they aren't "competing" in

Since when has intel made the massive change to release a 6c mainstream CPU as well as a friggin i9? The i9 was a meme and intel made it reality after AMD actually made a CPU

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, ravenshrike said:

 If Ice Lake doesn't hit until late 2018 it should be going head to head with Zen 2. That will be... interesting.

Zen+ in H1`2018 should make the mainstream interesting still, as Coffee Lake isn't actually an upgrade over Kaby Lake or Skylake except at the very top of the SKUs. Unless a person is looking to upgrade to the 8700k, these CPUs really aren't that much of an upgrade over even the venerable 2600k. (Though since Coffee lake *may* handle Icelake CPUs, there might actually be an upgrade path!)

 

But even Zen+ could offer a lot with an improved IMC for Ryzen. Not necessarily just for faster RAM, but Intel's memory system is still a chunk faster than AMD's.

1 minute ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Since when has intel made the massive change to release a 6c mainstream CPU as well as a friggin i9? The i9 was a meme and intel made it reality after AMD actually made a CPU

Coffee Lake's 6c and the 12c through 18c Skylake-X are both direct responses to Zen. Coffee Lake having 6c has been there since it was announced in 2016, but it was announced because Cannonlake wasn't going to work in mainstream. We should have gotten a Cannonlake 8700k in Q1`18, but they sacked those because they just didn't perform at Kaby Lake levels. Which is also when they pushed through a 6c design. (Something I'm sure Intel hated to do.)

 

Threadripper & Skylake-X are a blind-side that'll probably never happen against in CPU tech. AMD hid the entire platform from Intel, which is impressive when you realize that the QA versions of the CPUs exist normally about 2 years before launch. Hiding X399 was impressive. Or at least hiding it until Intel couldn't design a response. That's why Intel is sacking Xeons that they'd sell for 2-3x the price to put on X299. 

 

Someone in Intel's Server department is going to be salty for years for the amount of work they had to rush to bin those chips.

[Haaselh0ff]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Zen+ in H1`2018 should make the mainstream interesting still, as Coffee Lake isn't actually an upgrade over Kaby Lake or Skylake except at the very top of the SKUs. Unless a person is looking to upgrade to the 8700k, these CPUs really aren't that much of an upgrade over even the venerable 2600k. (Though since Coffee lake *may* handle Icelake CPUs, there might actually be an upgrade path!)

 

But even Zen+ could offer a lot with an improved IMC for Ryzen. Not necessarily just for faster RAM, but Intel's memory system is still a chunk faster than AMD's.

Coffee Lake's 6c and the 12c through 18c Skylake-X are both direct responses to Zen. Coffee Lake having 6c has been there since it was announced in 2016, but it was announced because Cannonlake wasn't going to work in mainstream. We should have gotten a Cannonlake 8700k in Q1`18, but they sacked those because they just didn't perform at Kaby Lake levels. Which is also when they pushed through a 6c design. (Something I'm sure Intel hated to do.)

 

Threadripper & Skylake-X are a blind-side that'll probably never happen against in CPU tech. AMD hid the entire platform from Intel, which is impressive when you realize that the QA versions of the CPUs exist normally about 2 years before launch. Hiding X399 was impressive. Or at least hiding it until Intel couldn't design a response. That's why Intel is sacking Xeons that they'd sell for 2-3x the price to put on X299. 

 

Someone in Intel's Server department is going to be salty for years for the amount of work they had to rush to bin those chips.

Are you saying that performance increase between 7700k and 8700k will be marginal at best?

[vrdublu]

All this talk about water is making me want to pee!!

[Zyndo]

14 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Why does Intel likes lakes so much? Every thing is a lake nowadays.

 

14 hours ago, Ekst4zy said:

Lots of lakes... Damn. Who can borrow me a boat?

 

 

Why does Intel think the "lake" name is great?.... well because they are superior

[Nicnac]

LOL looks like intels marketing is way ahead of the r&d. At least they have names for the next ten years to come  

also, does this sounds like intel will only be shrinking their current architecture in the future. Is that true? It's hard to imagine

[Taf the Ghost]

2 hours ago, Haaselh0ff said:

Are you saying that performance increase between 7700k and 8700k will be marginal at best?

Gaming? Yeah. 1c boost goes to 4.7 Ghz from 4.5 Ghz with Kaby Lake. Unless there's a "speed shift v3" that hasn't been announced, there's really only some potential OC room improvement. 

 

It'll be a better CPU & likely last for years, but it's a very minor actual upgrade unless you've matched it with a 1080 class GPU. The really benefit for the 8700k over the 7700k is a chunk of games that already max the 7700k out. It'll give Intel the "Ryzen smoothness" effect. But this is going to be an expensive CPU for Intel, so I'm expecting them to price it pretty high. (Along with no 4c/8t i3.) 

 

Numerically, it should be better than stock Kaby Lake/Skylake, but equal or lower than a similarly OC'd 6700k or 7700k. Minus some issues with Chipset. (I.e. early results could be worse until BIOS get updated, like some issues with X299 or Ryzen.) But if you have a 1080, 1080 Ti, Titan X or Vega 64, there'll be some value in a 8700k over other considerations in 1080p high FPS gaming. BF1 and a lot of the Ubisoft games should respond better.

[Morgan MLGman]

4 hours ago, Lays said:

For some reason people lately think price to performance means winning in raw horsepower too lol

Well, AMD is winning in terms of raw horsepower on the mainstream platform though.

[TheCherryKing]

What ever happened to Cascade Lake?

[MyName13]

14 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Well, AMD is winning in terms of raw horsepower on the mainstream platform though.

Only on the higher end (6 and 8 core CPUs), r3 and quad r5s match Intel's counterparts (and lack igpu which only makes them look worse).

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, MyName13 said:

Only on the higher end (6 and 8 core CPUs), r3 and quad r5s match Intel's counterparts (and lack igpu which only makes them look worse).

Not really, compare i3 and R3 cinebench scores. Same for 4C/8T R5s vs lower-end i5s such as the i5-7400.

[MyName13]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Not really, compare i3 and R3 cinebench scores. Same for 4C/8T R5s vs lower-end i5s such as the i5-7400.

Yeah, cinebench really shows real world performance.Compare them in gaming for example, i3 actually beats r3 and r5s sometimes barely match i5.They are better in some other things like encoding, rendering and compression, according to cinebench ryzen is on par with Kaby lake which is far from the truth (it's the cinebench that made people believe zen's IPC matches haswell, it doesn't, at least not in all workloads).