Nvidia thinks "Pascal is just unbeatable" and already decided not to move Volta ahead

[PlayStation 2]

Just seems like Nvidia's getting cocky for little reason. I was expecting it to hit around Q3 2018 anyways.

[Taf the Ghost]

 

Go the power draw discussion starting at 7:30. 

 

The process + uArch runs outside of its efficiency curve just below the 1080 (not the 1080 Ti he's benching it against). That's why AMD would want to get a MCM design working.  (That and can you think of how stupidly potent a MCM Computer card would be?)

[Tartandy]

I think a lot of people will be turned away by the power draw of even Vega 56 compared to the 1070, or at least perhaps in the minds of Nvidia.

 

They don't seem concerned of vega at all, their tweet congratulating AMD for returning to the HEDT market would not have been made if they were worried about losing significant marketshare to Vega.

[2FA]

1 hour ago, ravenshrike said:

The fact that Raja Koduri isn't insane enough to try and design a brand new architecture for a brand new process that's nearing the limit of silicon capability?

So just speculation? Gotcha...

[NumLock21]

Volta will probably release along side navi.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 hour ago, TVwazhere said:

The 970 was still $380 three months after it launched. I know because thats when I bought it! (Dec 2014)

 

that's what i'm saying...even at 380$ it was still expensive because a 770 or a 970 would have been less than 300$

[silberdrachi]

Well this fucking blows, was hoping AMD's offering wasnt total crap so that i could upgrade from my 290x but i guess that isnt happening. I get why nvidia is doing this from a business sense but it makes me dislike them even more as a company than before (though that isnt saying much)

 

I dont want to buy a 1070 now because its so far into its lifecycle and the price isnt dropping (and its rare to find a good used one), and AMDs prices are so fucked up the ass that i dont even bother thinking about using their GPUs for anything.

[Misanthrope]

3 minutes ago, silberdrachi said:

Well this fucking blows, was hoping AMD's offering wasnt total crap so that i could upgrade from my 290x but i guess that isnt happening. I get why nvidia is doing this from a business sense but it makes me dislike them even more as a company than before (though that isnt saying much)

 

I dont want to buy a 1070 now because its so far into its lifecycle and the price isnt dropping (and its rare to find a good used one), and AMDs prices are so fucked up the ass that i dont even bother thinking about using their GPUs for anything.

290x is solid enough to carry you all the way through the release of Navi, even if well into 2018 so I wouldn't worry.

[silberdrachi]

Just now, Misanthrope said:

290x is solid enough to carry you all the way through the release of Navi, even if well into 2018 so I wouldn't worry.

Its performance is less of an issue than the fact that i think its space heater qualities is causing it problems for me. The card is slowly giving out, and the face im in a nice hot southern summer isnt helping its lifespan much. Im mostly just crossing my fingers it doesnt give up the ghost before something worth buying comes around. Spending 400 bucks on a used 1070 is just unbelieveable.

[Dylanc1500]

I'm honestly ok with this as it gives more developement time for the GTX and Quadro products. If they can fine tune everything before releasing, it'll just mean better product lines at release and possibly more time for AIB partners to play with them and also do fine tuning themselves. They may even find ways to implement the tensor cores for use in gaming.

[dexT]

3 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Makes sense to me, Vega 64 performs like a 1080 while drawing as much power as a 1080 SLI. Vega 56 is more impressive, as it beats the 1070 while costing the same, but all Nvidia has to do to remain competitive is drop the 1070's price to $350

They were $350. Not happening again probably.

 

Now is the time to buy CPUs not GPU. 

[Misanthrope]

21 minutes ago, silberdrachi said:

Its performance is less of an issue than the fact that i think its space heater qualities is causing it problems for me. The card is slowly giving out, and the face im in a nice hot southern summer isnt helping its lifespan much. Im mostly just crossing my fingers it doesnt give up the ghost before something worth buying comes around. Spending 400 bucks on a used 1070 is just unbelieveable.

Incidentally, my 290x died when I was trying to install a Kraken cooler on it, must have bumped the GPU or one of the VRMs ever so slightly.

[silberdrachi]

1 minute ago, Misanthrope said:

Incidentally, my 290x died when I was trying to install a Kraken cooler on it, must have bumped the GPU or one of the VRMs ever so slightly.

I was using the corsair HG10 on mine with a corsair h90 cooler, but the cooler failed and i havent put the replacement on it. Didnt really help with the heat in the room at all, but at least it stopped the fan sounding like a jumbo jet coming in to land when i played anything more intensive than minesweeper.

[Jito463]

3 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

but all Nvidia has to do to remain competitive is drop the 1070's price to $350

3 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

GTX 1070 has been out for 15 months already and it's still the same price as when it launched.

Honestly, there's not much Nvidia can do to drop the retail price, short of flooding the market with a ton of new 1070's (which will probably also be bought up by all the accursed miners, thus driving the price right back up).

[Tiwaz]

4 hours ago, tom_w141 said:

Yay my 1080Ti remains relevant for longer  

why one you got?

[Humbug]

1 hour ago, NumLock21 said:

Volta will probably release along side navi.

AMD had better stick to their roadmap and release Navi in 2018.

Not a year after Volta..

[shermantanker]

I saw an "estimate" somewhere that Volta cards are currently costing them anywhere from a few hundred to a thousand dollars to manufacture, and if that is the case costs need to come waayyy down for it to be consumer ready.

[NumLock21]

1 minute ago, Humbug said:

AMD had better stick to their roadmap and release Navi in 2018.

Not a year after Volta..

More like end of 2018 for Navi

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 hours ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

nvidia has some wiggle room there, 350$ for a ''X70'' level card is still pretty damn expensive if you look at how much was a GTX 570, 670, 770, 970...these cards usually cost around 299$ a few months after launch...GTX 1070 has been out for 15 months already and it's still the same price as when it launched.

Because AMD came out with a comparatively performing card priced lower. So NVIDIA dropped the prices on the equivalent to match and stay competitive. AMD/ATi has done this before too. Whoever is first to next gen always "price gouges" until their competitor comes out with something and adjusts their prices accordingly. But since AMD lately hasn't offered anything equivalent to the x70 or x80 GeForce series in a while, NVIDIA has no reason to price drop those cards. And NVIDIA was well within (business) reason to not price drop the GTX 1080 when the 1080 Ti was announced (everyone was expecting that card to go for ~$750-$850 MSRP)

 

Hardware prices don't drop because they're old. They drop because their competitor has something as good for cheaper or better for the same price.

[porina]

2 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

It is now and it has been for a while, but no. Some of their past processors were actually quite better than contemporary intel offerings for example. Goes for some generations under ATI as well.

Thinking about it more, I guess on the GPU side they've been generally cost/performance competitive throughout their history, give or take some leapfrogging between generations. But with the current imbalance I get the feeling they're positioning where they have to, rather than where they want to.

[i_build_nanosuits]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Hardware prices don't drop because they're old. They drop because their competitor has something as good for cheaper or better for the same price.

well then we're screwed this time around because AMD decided to price their power hungry under-performing POS the same price as the nvidia pacal parts...

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

well then we're screwed this time around because AMD decided to price their power hungry under-performing POS the same price as the nvidia pacal parts...

Except Vega 56 performs better than the GTX 1070, and in some cases, as good as the GTX 1080. So this is a ripe time for NVIDIA to drop the price on the GTX 1070.

 

But they probably won't.

[i_build_nanosuits]

5 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Except Vega 56 performs better than the GTX 1070, and in some cases, as good as the GTX 1080. So this is a ripe time for NVIDIA to drop the price on the GTX 1070.

 

But they probably won't.

...because reviewers ONCE AGAIN forgot to clock the nvidia parts properly...since pascal can easily clock 2000mhz+ all day long i think it's fair to say that this review is the most accurate and the GTX 1070 step all over Vega 56 once clocked properly...you should watch this video:

 

 

Reviewers all tested with stock clocked Founders edition nvidia cards...but who runs that?!

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

Reviewers all tested with stock clocked Founders edition nvidia cards...but who runs that?!

That's the only way to review a card, or any processor, properly. You can always guarantee the stock speeds, but you can never guarantee any overclock speeds you get as a reviewer on any random part. Overclocked tests are only there as a data point, not as an indication of how good the hardware really is.

 

Besides, performance scales linearly with clock speed. So the stock clocks give you your baseline and whatever % above that you can overclock your part to, you get that same % in performance.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Overclocked tests are only there as a data point, not as an indication of how good the hardware really is.

 

and i see it the other way around...stock clock is the data point and ''average overclock'' is the real indication of how good the hardware really is.