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ISS upgrades it's rig

MadModder

I'd love to know the specs. I'd expect it to be running a 4th generation Xeon (for the same reason Linus switched the editing machines to X99) and a low-power workstation card or maybe even compute accelerator card from one, maybe two generations ago.

The term "off the shelf" is generally reserved for desktop components, but somehow I can't imagine this thing not using server hardware.

 

Anyone notice that it's liquid cooled? Or at least it looks like it is. I do wonder what the pros and cons are of air and liquid cooling in space.
It also appears to have six power cables. Six.

 

3 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Actually from the CNN article itself:

They're certainly advertising it as a number crunching system.

It really did amaze me that people were talking about what higher-performance machines would be used for without actually referring to what the article said they'd be used for. Glad someone read it...

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2 minutes ago, Dash Lambda said:

The term "off the shelf" is generally reserved for desktop components, but somehow I can't imagine this thing not using server hardware.

Off the shelf just means a company is supplying it to anyone who wants to purchase it and you don't have to custom order it. It doesn't matter what the target market is.

 

So for instance, the processors in the PS4 and XB1 are not COTS, because you can't buy it. They were a custom made job for Sony and Microsoft. But the AMD 5150 is, even though the core architecture is the same as Jaguar.

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8 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Off the shelf just means a company is supplying it to anyone who wants to purchase it and you don't have to custom order it. It doesn't matter what the target market is.

 

So for instance, the processors in the PS4 and XB1 are not COTS, because you can't buy it. They were a custom made job for Sony and Microsoft. But the AMD 5150 is, even though the core architecture is the same as Jaguar.

I meant the way people use it. I didn't mean it was defined as desktop components, I just meant that people don't usually associate 'off the shelf' with server and workstation hardware, in my experience at least. I should've been more specific.

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9 hours ago, AshleyAshes said:

It must be really challenging to design a 'super computer' for the ISS considering the careful power budget that the station works on.  The whole thing is solar afterall, it can't quite fire up the secondary dilithium reactors when they need more power to the deflector shields.

So I guess Vega Frontier Edition is out then (even though it has the most apt name for a space computer)

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11 hours ago, MadModder said:

@BuckGup If you're talking to me. Nothing special. I have 2 pc's, and 2 laptops.

My main rig I never finished. I was rolling down the road on my Harley, and got run over by a motorhome that ran a red light, so I never finished all the stuff I was going to do to it. At least not yet. I now owe my soul to the medical establishment.

If I could figure out how to do the "Hidden Content" thingy, I would put them in one of those, but I'm not sure how you do that (it's not listed in the faqs section).

 

Here's the specs:

OS = W10

Case = Coolermaster Mastercase Pro 5

PSU = EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G2 80+ Gold

Mobo = ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero

CPU = i7 6700k

CPU AIO = Corsair H100i V2

GPU = EVGA GTX 1080 FTW (not the model I wanted, but got tired of waiting)

RAM = G.SKILL Ripjaws 4, DDR 2400 (4X8gb = 32gb)

Boot drive = Samsung 256gb M.2 NVMe

Storage drives = 2X Samsung 500gb 850 EVO's

Optical drive = LG BR UH12NS40 R

Monitor = Acer XB270OHU-bprz

Peripherals:

Keyboard = Corsair Vengeance K95 rgb

Mouse = Razer Deathadder

Headset = Sennheiser  GSP 350

Midi Controller = AKAI Pro MPK Mini

Printer = Epson Workforce Pro WF-4630

 

 

 

 

I was talking about the ISS pc.........

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On 8/14/2017 at 3:21 PM, Jurrunio said:

Maybe someday we can have these high performance per watt design on our phones.

This is why space exploration is so beneficial. It requires us to figure out novel solutions to very annoying constraints which usually results in technologies which end up also being amazing in our every day life. So yeah I assume we'll eventually have these kind of high performance per watt designs in phones.

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On 14/08/2017 at 6:29 PM, M.Yurizaki said:

Well touting the whole "it can do a trillion calculations per second" and calling it a supercomputer made it sound like one.

It's all about comparisons.

 

If you look at a desktop computer - say, an i7-7700K - this CPU has a GFLOPS rating of around 40 GFLOPS. The HPE ISS "Super Computer" has a rating of ~1 FLOPS. By comparison, the i7 is 0.04 TFLOPS.

 

Whether they could just drop a GPU in there and get 1 FLOPS very easily (or 2 or 5 or 12 TFLOPS depending on the GPU) - sure maybe, but perhaps the datasets they intend to run don't mix very well with GPU architecture - perhaps they are more suited for CPU's to execute.

 

We also don't know whether they actually mean TFLOPS - because TFLOPS is Trillion floating point (implied 32-bit) operations per second.

 

When they said it could do one trillion calculations - that could be any time of calculation/math. it could be FP64 or FP32 or FP16 or something totally different.

 

Finally, we don't know whether that quote refers to the CPU only, or the total system performance.

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31 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

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Given that space based payloads are very expensive and need to be as "space" efficient as possible, I'm just going to see it how it is and assume the first thing that comes to mind that makes sense to me.

 

Basically I don't find it worthwhile to really dig into the details beyond what was said at face value

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1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Given that space based payloads are very expensive and need to be as "space" efficient as possible, I'm just going to see it how it is and assume the first thing that comes to mind that makes sense to me.

 

Basically I don't find it worthwhile to really dig into the details beyond what was said at face value

Indeed, which is why we should hold off on statements like "Well it's not really a super computer!" Until we actually learn anything of substance about it. We really know very little right now.

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On 14/08/2017 at 11:15 PM, MadModder said:

Space X just launched (successfully) a supercomputer to be installed on the International Space Station.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/14/technology/spacex-nasa-supercomputer/index.html

 

Hopefully they remembered to include all the appropriate cabling (<---joke).

But can it run Crysis?

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2 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Indeed, which is why we should hold off on statements like "Well it's not really a super computer!" Until we actually learn anything of substance about it. We really know very little right now.

Well you really need to define what a supercomputer is first. When the  GPGPU concept was coming out people were saying you could make supercomputers for comparatively dirt cheap

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1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Well you really need to define what a supercomputer is first. When the  GPGPU concept was coming out people were saying you could make supercomputers for comparatively dirt cheap

I don't believe there is a "standardized" definition of what a supercomputer is - it's kind of a fluid concept, because you can't simply say "It needs to be faster than x number of TFLOPS", because that number will always be changing.

 

According to Wikipedia, a Supercomputer is simply a computer that is a lot more powerful than a traditional general-purpose computer.

 

According to dictionary.com, a Supercomputer is a "very fast, powerful mainframe computer, used in advanced military and scientific applications."

 

Personally, I would say the Dictionary.com definition is outdated. Mainframes generally refer to systems that run thin clients and do all the central processing in one location for many users - while some supercomputers are definitely Mainframes, others, won't be.

 

Further, it's too specific about being for Military and Scientific applications. Many supercomputers are used for retail/data crunching/engineering, etc, that aren't really scientific applications.

 

I doubt we'll find consensus about what the actual definition should be.

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@MadModder The thread has been moved to General Discussion as it doesn't fulfill the requirement for the TNR section, once complete it may be eligible to be moved back. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

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Regardless of its exact specs or effective performance, we do know three things for sure (or, at least, from what NASA says):

-It uses commercially available off-the-shelf components.

-It is mounted in "a side-by-side EXPRESS locker within an ISS EXPRESS Rack." An EXPRESS rack locker is 25.4*43.2*50.8 cm, with about 60 liters of volume. I think it's safe to assume each computer gets its own locker, because one locker cannot be side-by-side with itself...

-An EXPRESS rack can provide a total of 2kW of power and 2kW of cooling to its payloads. If the two computers are installed in one rack, which is what it sounds like, that means they each have a maximum power budget of 1kW, assuming no other payloads in the rack.

 

So a machine the size of an average desktop made with commercial components that must run on less than 1kW of power.

High-performance computer? Sure.

Supercomputer? Nah.

"Do as I say, not as I do."

-Because you actually care if it makes sense.

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