New Laptops: Zenbook Pro UX550 vs Vivobook Pro N580VD

[crispybagel]

UPDATE: Think i will test my luck with the new vivobook pro n580vd, it has all the specs i want and it's a brand new model so i hope the quality is good for 1400 eur. 

UPDATE 2: read the vivobook review=nope.

 

What are your thoughts on these laptop models? They come in almost the same specs, the zenbook being a bit thinner and smaller but more expensive. Am i crazy if i put my money on the zenbook pro model with merely 8gb ram and 256gb ssd?

 

Vivobook: https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ASUS-VivoBook-Pro-15-N580VD/

Zenbook: https://www.asus.com/us/Laptops/ASUS-ZenBook-Pro-UX550VE/

 

In Sweden:

Zenbook: i7-7700HQ, 8GB DDR4, 1050Ti 4GB, 256GB Sata3 SSD @ 1650 eur

Vivobook: i7-7700HQ, 16GB DDR4, 1050 4GB, 512GB Sata3 SSD @ 1400 eur

Zenbook: i7-7700HQ, 16GB DDR4, 1050Ti 4GB, 512GB PCI-e SSD @ 2060 eur (way too expensive for me)
Zenbook: i7-7700HQ, 16GB DDR4, 1050Ti 4GB, 512GB Sata3/256GB PCI-e SSD (would be nice to know pricing for this if there is a model for it)
 

Zenbook dimensions (WxDxH): 365x251x18.9 (mm)

Vivobook dimensions (WxDxH): 380x256x19.2 (mm)

 

My thoughts at the moment (no reviews out)

Zenbook:

+ smaller chassis

+ chamfered edge 

+ backlit logo on back

+ 1050Ti

+ comes in black or blue

+ smaller bezels

- 8GB RAM

- 256GB Sata3 (if it was PCI-e it would be fine)

- 1650 eur

Vivobook:

+ 16GB RAM

+ 512GB SSD

+ 1400 eur

- not as sexy as the zenbook

- from the looks of it, only champagne/golden color 

- bigger screen bezels

 

 

                      

 

[Himommies]

Do you plan to game?

[crispybagel]

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

Do you plan to game?

No not much, i work with heavy CAD models+rendering, photoshop and video rendering at 4k. 

[Himommies]

1 minute ago, Crispybagel said:

No not much, i work with heavy CAD models+rendering, photoshop and video rendering at 4k. 

You can't CAD on a Macbook right,otherwise I would get that

I would get the Vivobook

[crispybagel]

2 minutes ago, Himommies said:

You can't CAD on a Macbook right,otherwise I would get that

I would get the Vivobook

No, its only supported in windows, either way the macbook is way too expensive, also not a fan of Mac OS

[sicily428]

4 minutes ago, Crispybagel said:

No not much, i work with heavy CAD models+rendering, photoshop and video rendering at 4k. 

could you make a list of your cad/rendering softwares?

[Himommies]

1 minute ago, Crispybagel said:

either way the macbook is way too expensive

unless your local prices are superinflated you can definitley get a Macbook ins ome config for under 1650 euros

[crispybagel]

Just now, sicily428 said:

could you make a list of your cad/rendering softwares?

currently Geomagic Design with Keyshot 6 plugin, also some GibbsCAM.

[crispybagel]

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

unless your local prices are superinflated you can definitley get a Macbook ins ome config for under 1650 euros

the i7 16gb model is 1860 eur, and the radeon graphics cant compete with the 1050

[dizmo]

Personally I'd go with the Zenbook.

Do you need color accuracy? The Zenbook covers 100% sRGB, the Vivobook only 72%.

The major difference that's worth every penny IMO, is the 73wAh battery in the Zenbook compared to the 47wAh in the Vivo.

5 minutes ago, Himommies said:

unless your local prices are superinflated you can definitley get a Macbook ins ome config for under 1650 euros

Missed the part where he said he doesn't like MacOS eh?

[Himommies]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Personally I'd go with the Zenbook.

Do you need color accuracy? The Zenbook covers 100% sRGB, the Vivobook only 72%.

The major difference that's worth every penny IMO, is the 73wAh battery in the Zenbook compared to the 47wAh in the Vivo.

Missed the part where he said he doesn't like MacOS eh?

Im just arguing about the part where he says he can't afford a Mac.Mac's are more accessible than most people think

[sicily428]

2 minutes ago, Crispybagel said:

currently Geomagic Design with Keyshot 6 plugin, also some GibbsCAM.

these are requirements for you softwares

http://support1.geomagic.com/Support/5605/5668/en-US/Article/View/1161/-What-are-the-system-requirements-for-Geomagic-Solutions-software

http://www.westcam.co/support/systemrequirements.php

 

Geomagic Design:

"Design Recommended Graphics Cards

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Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 512MB

Video Card Framework: Must support DirectX 9.0c or above and OpenGL 3.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro

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Design X, Verify, and XOS Recommended Graphics Cards

---

Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 2GB or More

Video Card Framework: Must support OpenGL 4.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro or NVIDIA GeForce

Notes:

If you use the AMD Radeon series, the panning or rotation in the application might not operate correctly. To solve this problem, uncheck the Use Custom Settings option under 3D > Standard Settings in the Catalyst Control Center dialog box and move the slider to the left.

It is recommended to set the anti-aliasing value lower than 8. Otherwise, detection of 3D edges may not work properly or there may be problems with panning or rotating within the application. If anti-aliasing is disabled, the edges and boundaries of shaded objects can be jagged if displayed at angles close to 0 or 90 degrees.

---

Control, Wrap, Studio, Capture, and Design Direct Recommended Graphics Cards

---

Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 2GB or More

Video Card Framework: Must support OpenGL 4.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro

 

Notes: Using a non-recommended card may result in random crashing, graphical anomalies, or data corruption. Use of any non-recommended configuration at your own risk."

[crispybagel]

Just now, dizmo said:

Personally I'd go with the Zenbook.

Do you need color accuracy? The Zenbook covers 100% sRGB, the Vivobook only 72%.

The major difference that's worth every penny IMO, is the 73wAh battery in the Zenbook compared to the 47wAh in the Vivo.

Missed the part where he said he doesn't like MacOS eh?

damn, didn't notice the sRGB value on the vivobook, that's a bummer. With that, the battery, the higher build quality and slightly smaller formfactor the price is starting to make sense. This is gonna end up with a hole in the wallet. 

[crispybagel]

Just now, sicily428 said:

these are requirements for you softwares

http://support1.geomagic.com/Support/5605/5668/en-US/Article/View/1161/-What-are-the-system-requirements-for-Geomagic-Solutions-software

http://www.westcam.co/support/systemrequirements.php

 

Geomagic Design:

"Design Recommended Graphics Cards

---

Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 512MB

Video Card Framework: Must support DirectX 9.0c or above and OpenGL 3.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro

---

Design X, Verify, and XOS Recommended Graphics Cards

---

Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 2GB or More

Video Card Framework: Must support OpenGL 4.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro or NVIDIA GeForce

Notes:

If you use the AMD Radeon series, the panning or rotation in the application might not operate correctly. To solve this problem, uncheck the Use Custom Settings option under 3D > Standard Settings in the Catalyst Control Center dialog box and move the slider to the left.

It is recommended to set the anti-aliasing value lower than 8. Otherwise, detection of 3D edges may not work properly or there may be problems with panning or rotating within the application. If anti-aliasing is disabled, the edges and boundaries of shaded objects can be jagged if displayed at angles close to 0 or 90 degrees.

---

Control, Wrap, Studio, Capture, and Design Direct Recommended Graphics Cards

---

Recommended: Dedicated (Non-Integrated) Graphics Card that meets the criteria below:

Video Card RAM: 2GB or More

Video Card Framework: Must support OpenGL 4.0 or above

Series: NVIDIA Quadro

 

Notes: Using a non-recommended card may result in random crashing, graphical anomalies, or data corruption. Use of any non-recommended configuration at your own risk."

i'm working with quite heavy assemblies which gets me thinking that RAM will be starved at 8GB.

[sicily428]

Just now, Crispybagel said:

i'm working with quite heavy assemblies which gets me thinking that RAM will be starved at 8GB.

how many parts for your assemblies?

[dizmo]

 

1 minute ago, Himommies said:

Im just arguing about the part where he says he can't afford a Mac.Mac's are more accessible than most people think

Perhaps, but would it even be in a comparable configuration? Highly unlikely. Feel free to prove me wrong.

1 minute ago, Crispybagel said:

damn, didn't notice the sRGB value on the vivobook, that's a bummer. With that, the battery, the higher build quality and slightly smaller formfactor the price is starting to make sense. This is gonna end up with a hole in the wallet. 

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I find laptops last a lot longer between refresh cycles than a desktop, especially since you're not gaming. I've had mine for almost 5 years and I only now am considering an upgrade, and it's more me wanting to buy something new than it not performing

[crispybagel]

1 minute ago, sicily428 said:

how many parts for your assemblies?

not sure but if you see the specs of my current rig at home, it's struggling at some times to twist and move the model around in the assembly, now i don't expect to be working mostly on the laptop but i want to be able to have that choice when i'm on the go. 

[sicily428]

3 minutes ago, Crispybagel said:

not sure but if you see the specs of my current rig at home, it's struggling at some times to twist and move the model around in the assembly, now i don't expect to be working mostly on the laptop but i want to be able to have that choice when i'm on the go. 

may be a gtx1060 or a quadro could be better options for big assemblies IMO

[crispybagel]

Just now, sicily428 said:

may be a gtx1060 or a quadro could be better for big assemblies. 

yes but cash money sadly doesn't grow on the trees where i live...must be the wrong kind of growth hormone i've been spraying lately.

[sicily428]

19 hours ago, Crispybagel said:

yes but cash money sadly doesn't grow on the trees where i live...must be the wrong kind of growth hormone i've been spraying lately.

do you know clevos?

 

I think a p950hp6 could be a good option (13995=1523 eur)

https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10555335

https://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p950-156-full-hd/cat-p/c/p10637303

 

 

here more infos about clevos

or check obsidian pc for a p650hp6

[crispybagel]

11 hours ago, dizmo said:

Personally I'd go with the Zenbook.

Do you need color accuracy? The Zenbook covers 100% sRGB, the Vivobook only 72%.

The major difference that's worth every penny IMO, is the 73wAh battery in the Zenbook compared to the 47wAh in the Vivo.

Missed the part where he said he doesn't like MacOS eh?

Actually they cover about the same amount of colors, the zenbook has a 99% sRGB value while the vivobook's color gamma is represented in NTSC which is covered in this article, and i'm quoting here
 

Quote

72% of NTSC is roughly equivalent to 100% of the sRGB color gamut.

Source: https://www.lifewire.com/lcd-monitors-and-color-gamuts-833038

 

11 hours ago, sicily428 said:

do you know clevos?

 

I think a p950hp6 could be a good option (13995=1523 eur)

https://asset1-327a.kxcdn.com/w863986/DataImage.ashx/10555335

https://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-p950-156-full-hd/cat-p/c/p10637303

 

 

 

here more infos about clevos

or check obsidian pc for a p650hp6

The reason i'm looking at the vivobook and zenbook is that i want to get away from the "gaming" design and go for a more clean look, preferrably aluminum or magnesium.

[sicily428]

43 minutes ago, Crispybagel said:

Actually they cover about the same amount of colors, the zenbook has a 99% sRGB value while the vivobook's color gamma is represented in NTSC which is covered in this article, and i'm quoting here
 

Source: https://www.lifewire.com/lcd-monitors-and-color-gamuts-833038

 

The reason i'm looking at the vivobook and zenbook is that i want to get away from the "gaming" design and go for a more clean look, preferrably aluminum or magnesium.

Pay attention to asus soldered ram

[crispybagel]

9 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

Pay attention to asus soldered ram

that's the shittiest part, not even 1 slot open for upgrade on the new zenbook pro. if there was i would buy the 8gb ram 256gb ssd version and add 8gb more to it

 

[sicily428]

30 minutes ago, Crispybagel said:

that's the shittiest part, not even 1 slot open for upgrade on the new zenbook pro. if there was i would buy the 8gb ram 256gb ssd version and add 8gb more to it

 

here a review

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/17143-asus-zenbook-ux550-review/

 

[crispybagel]

47 minutes ago, sicily428 said:

here a review

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/17143-asus-zenbook-ux550-review/

 

thanks for pointing that review out, read that one and the one for vivobook and, to be frank, none of them feel fantastic. God why is it so difficult to choose a laptop model.

http://www.ultrabookreview.com/17309-asus-vivobook-n580-review/