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Mohenjo

So my aunt runs an escrow buinsess with a lot of clients and about 5 employees. Her server is failing and she needs help building a new one. So she asked me. Trouble is i dont know much. All she knows is shes gonna be running windows server 2012 and needs at least 4tb and needs it to be under 600 before the license. this is what i was thinking.

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9JJ5HR8425&cm_re=lenovo_server-_-59-109-925-_-Product

 

and this hard drive 

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235058&cm_re=wd_server-_-22-235-058-_-Product

 

is this gonna work? 

 

 

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The links both lead to the server.

 

As long as the hard drive use SATA connection, it will work.

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I think that should suffice for minimal purposes however only one hard drive offers 0 redundancy (also your hyperlink is wrong). If the drive fails all the data is gone. Does she have backups located elsewhere?

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

They both point to the server.

 

As long as the hard drive use SATA connection, it will work.

that much i know, but is it gonna be decent enough to have multiple people assessing it at once? 

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1 minute ago, Windows7ge said:

I think that should suffice for minimal purposes however only one hard drive offers 0 redundancy (also your hyperlink is wrong). If the drive fails all the data is gone. Does she have backups located elsewhere?

i was thinking that. the server seems to come with a raid card so raid 0 would suffice. and in terms of backups. how would that work. also fixed the hard drive link

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2 minutes ago, Mohenjo said:

i was thinking that. the server seems to come with a raid card so raid 0 would suffice. and in terms of backups. how would that work. also fixed the hard drive link

raid 0 is terrible for redundancy. 

 

8 minutes ago, Mohenjo said:

that much i know, but is it gonna be decent enough to have multiple people assessing it at once? 

accessing what? spreadsheets/word? yes, movies? no, photos? yes 

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6 minutes ago, Mohenjo said:

that much i know, but is it gonna be decent enough to have multiple people assessing it at once? 

Yes. Reading and writing data isn't CPU intensive at all. Even cheap CPU like this can handle multiple working sessions at once.

 

2 minutes ago, Mohenjo said:

i was thinking that. the server seems to come with a raid card so raid 0 would suffice. and in terms of backups. how would that work. also fixed the hard drive link

Raid 0 is done by writing to 2 or more hard drives at once without backup. It improves performance but doesn't improve data safety. Are you talking about  Raid 1?

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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

raid 0 is terrible for redundancy. 

 

accessing what? spreadsheets/word? yes, movies? no, photos? yes 

sorry i meant raid 1. and like PDFs and stuff

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes. Reading and writing data isn't CPU intensive at all. Even cheap CPU like this can handle multiple working sessions at once.

 

Raid 0 is done by writing to 2 or more hard drives at once without backup. It improves performance but doesn't improve data safety. Are you talking about  Raid 1?

yes i meant raid 1 lol. dont know why i said raid 0. 

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Just now, Mohenjo said:

sorry i meant raid 1. and like PDFs and stuff

yes it'll work fine

 

raid 1 with two drives, i think you can software config it so that it'll backup the raid array at night to another HDD in case they both fail. 

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Just now, themctipers said:

yes it'll work fine

 

raid 1 with two drives, i think you can software config it so that it'll backup the raid array at night to another HDD in case they both fail. 

so 2 4tb drives would be ideal then? she has all the switches set up already so i think it should be fairly plug and play. but f*ck me it seems like a pain. 

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Just now, Mohenjo said:

so 2 4tb drives would be ideal then? she has all the switches set up already so i think it should be fairly plug and play. but f*ck me it seems like a pain. 

2 4tb drives is the bare minimum

im pretty sure it is, you're using windows and NTFS! 

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138 is a good number.

 

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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

2 4tb drives is the bare minimum

im pretty sure it is, you're using windows and NTFS! 

again its only PDFs i think her current server is a 1tb and shes seems fine

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Just now, Mohenjo said:

so 2 4tb drives would be ideal then? she has all the switches set up already so i think it should be fairly plug and play. but f*ck me it seems like a pain. 

More HDDs can be added in anyway. This server has 4 PCIe slots, so if you run out of SATA ports on the mobo, just use a PCIe expansion card to get moar SATA ports. New HDDs might need to be duct-taped on to the top of the drive rack though, but that should be fine on a PC that supposed to sit still for a long time.

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Desktop benching:

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Just now, Mohenjo said:

again its only PDFs i think her current server is a 1tb and shes seems fine

i guess, yea. should be fine

4tb sounds overkill for PDFs only, but its great cost/gigabyte so.. 

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138 is a good number.

 

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1 minute ago, themctipers said:

i guess, yea. should be fine

4tb sounds overkill for PDFs only, but its great cost/gigabyte so.. 

so ok now im confused. should i get reds instead? since its slower isnt it more reliable?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236599&cm_re=wd_red-_-22-236-599-_-Product

 

they are also cheaper lol. 

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2 minutes ago, Mohenjo said:

so ok now im confused. should i get reds instead? since its slower isnt it more reliable?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236599&cm_re=wd_red-_-22-236-599-_-Product

 

they are also cheaper lol. 

gold is more reliable than reds, the motors die because they've been spinning too long, not that they've been spinning too fast lol 

 

honestly since its a small business you can get away with whatever is the lowest cost/capacity and raid 1 them 

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138 is a good number.

 

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3 hours ago, Mohenjo said:

escrow buinsess with a lot of clients

Pay for an IT consulting company, the risk is far too high for legal costs if something goes wrong. This is financial data after all, there are rules and regulations around this type of data and auditing requirements.

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3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Pay for an IT consulting company, the risk is far too high for legal costs if something goes wrong. This is financial data after all, there are rules and regulations around this type of data and auditing requirements.

Agreed.

 

@Mohenjo what is your aunt gonna do if the Server dies, or Windows Server glitches out? Is she gonna call you? If you buy that Lenovo and do the build yourself, you basically just became her IT Team.

 

I'd recommend contacting a local IT firm (Contact several, 2-3 at least) and get a quote. Make sure the quote includes hardware, software licenses, and configuration time.

 

I'd also recommend the "Business class" 3 year warranty from whatever server company you go with (Dell, HPE, etc). These warranties will generally cover next-day on-site parts installation by a qualified tech.

 

That way, if, say, the power supply dies, she'll be back up and running within a day.

 

You don't seem to know what you're doing - that's okay, you're new to this - but that means you could make mistakes that could cost her a lot of money. If you get an IT Firm to do the work, you can probably watch/follow along and learn something from them.

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