Coffee Lake vs. Ryzen

[Fred Flintstone]

Well, I was almost definitely going to get an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 with an X370 motherboard, but now that I just read the news about Coffee Lake I'm starting to hesitate a little bit: Should I go for what I was planning before or wait a few months until this new Intel line up?

According to some leaks, the Intel Core i5-8600K will be an unlocked 6-core CPU without HT and should come at a very similar price to its predecessor($250 aproximately), so 6 threads less than AMD's offerings at that price range and won't include a cooler, though it should be able to easily achieve +4.2GHz (the fastest any AMD Ryzen CPU can go with aftermarket cooling).

My goals for that build I was about to start are 1080p gaming, casual streaming and video editing and light multitasking, and the GPU would be something like a GTX 1050 Ti or an RX 570. That said, since Coffee Lake will be a Kaby Lake refresh with more cores and probably very similar performance per core to 6th and already mentioned 7th Gen. SKUs, should I wait for it or just stay with my current plan (AMD Ryzen)??? Thanks in advance.

[it_dont_work]

Which ever actually exists, considering the GTX 1050 Ti  would what would hold back performance the most, it doesn't really matter which in the case you've described.

[JoostinOnline]

I expect Coffee Lake will perform better than Ryzen in gaming if they have hexacore CPU's. 

[Mooshi]

Yeah, I really see no point in waiting months if you're planning to use a 1050 Ti. You'd be served fine with even a 2600/2700k.

[HKZeroFive]

I suspect that the i5-8600K will be better in games but the R5 1600 will be better for everything else (streaming, editing and multitasking).

 

But then again, wait for benchmarks/reviews.

[Fred Flintstone]

4 minutes ago, it_dont_work said:

Which ever actually exists, considering the GTX 1050 Ti  would what would hold back performance the most, it doesn't really matter which in the case you've described.

 

2 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Yeah, I really see no point in waiting months if you're planning to use a 1050 Ti. You'd be served fine with even a 2600/2700k.

Either the 1050 Ti or the 570 would be placeholders until I can afford something like an RX Vega 56 or GTX 1070, though I'm not quite into heavy gaming. What I really wanna try is streaming and video editing, those are my main goals (along with gaming).

7 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I expect Coffee Lake will perform better than Ryzen in gaming if they have hexacore CPU's. 

I don't doubt it will, but the thing is price/performance ratio in multitasking.

[Fred Flintstone]

5 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

I suspect that the i5-8600K will be better in games but the R5 1600 will be better for everything else (streaming, editing and multitasking).

But then again, wait for benchmarks/reviews.

I think there's nothing to suspect about gaming, but I feel intrigued by multithreaded workloads on Coffee Lake.

[JoostinOnline]

Just now, Fred Flintstone said:

I don't doubt it will, but the thing is price/performance ratio in multitasking.

Personally, I'd wait.  I'm skeptical of the Coffee Lake rumors though.  Unless they knew about Ryzen through corporate espionage, they would probably be planning to milk the 2/4 core setup for much longer.  It takes years to develop a new architecture, so they can't have started since Ryzen was publicly announced.

[HKZeroFive]

1 minute ago, Fred Flintstone said:

I don't think there's nothing to suspect about gaming, but I feel intrigued by multithreaded workloads on Coffee Lake.

We'll have to see. Personally, I still think that Ryzen will be better for highly multithreaded tasks.

[Jurrunio]

I'd recommend a Ryzen 5 1600 and B350 mobo. It seems that you really need to save money for the graphics card. The Coffee i5 might be better in performance, but I don't think it is good enough to justify the price (don't forget that you will also need a Z mobo to overclock it, which will be more expensive than Ryzen's B350.

[Damascus]

11 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

What I really wanna try is streaming and video editing, those are my main goals (along with gaming).

The i5 will almost certainly ONLY be better in gaming.  

[VagabondWraith]

I'd wait. I mean if you're not in dire need of performance right now at least wait a bit longer. Intel will announce Coffee Lake details August 21st. Ryzen is not going to go anywhere if Coffee Lake doesn't fit your needs. It'll still be a viable option after you learn what Intel has in store for CL.

[MyName13]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I'd recommend a Ryzen 5 1600 and B350 mobo. It seems that you really need to save money for the graphics card. The Coffee i5 might be better in performance, but I don't think it is good enough to justify the price (don't forget that you will also need a Z mobo to overclock it, which will be more expensive than Ryzen's B350.

Don't forget i5 8400, it might perform like r5 1600 for ~50$ less.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Don't forget i5 8400, it might perform like r5 1600 for ~50$ less.

$150 for a 6 core? That will be the new budget king, if it's true.

[Fred Flintstone]

16 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Personally, I'd wait.  I'm skeptical of the Coffee Lake rumors though.  Unless they knew about Ryzen through corporate espionage, they would probably be planning to milk the 2/4 core setup for much longer.  It takes years to develop a new architecture, so they can't have started since Ryzen was publicly announced.

I think it's still 14nm process (according to Wikipedia : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_Lake).

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I'd recommend a Ryzen 5 1600 and B350 mobo. It seems that you really need to save money for the graphics card. The Coffee i5 might be better in performance, but I don't think it is good enough to justify the price (don't forget that you will also need a Z mobo to overclock it, which will be more expensive than Ryzen's B350.

I know B350 is better value for 4 and 6-core SKUs, but I want more than that, the mid-range X370 boards seem more appealing to me, something like a Gigabyte Aorus Gaming K5 o an MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.

8 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Don't forget i5 8400, it might perform like r5 1600 for ~50$ less.

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

$150 for a 6 core? That will be the new budget king, if it's true.

I don't think it will be $50 less, probably it will cost around $200 since there won't be other offerings like there were with Kaby Lake (i5-7500 & 7600).

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Fred Flintstone said:

I know B350 is better value for 4 and 6-core SKUs, but I want more than that, the mid-range X370 boards seem more appealing to me, something like a Gigabyte Aorus Gaming K5 o an MSI Gaming Pro Carbon.

B350 and X370 have the same compatible CPUs. Are you talking about Threadripper with X399 chipset? X370 is pretty much B350 with SLI support and a few more ports.

[MyName13]

25 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

$150 for a 6 core? That will be the new budget king, if it's true.

All i5 x400 models cost 180$, 1600 costs around 230$ (MSRP), in my country i5 7400 is 50€ cheaper than r5 1600 so it should be the same for i5 8400.I3 8100 and pentiums will be interesting.

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

All i5 x400 models cost 180$, 1600 costs around 230$ (MSRP), in my country i5 7400 is 50€ cheaper than r5 1600 so it should be the same for i5 8400.I3 8100 and pentiums will be interesting.

That's interesting, but don't forget that x400 CPUs usually have low clock speeds and aren't overclockable. This is what makes 6th gen and 7th gen x400 and x500 CPUs unappealing even when compared to the Ryzen 1400.

[MyName13]

12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That's interesting, but don't forget that x400 CPUs usually have low clock speeds and aren't overclockable. This is what makes 6th gen and 7th gen x400 and x500 CPUs unappealing even when compared to the Ryzen 1400.

i5 8400 should have 6 core boost to 3.8 ghz, what's the point of overclocking if it's cheaper than r5 1600 (i5 8400 + some cheap H motherboard should be cheaper than r5 1600+b350), by the way do you really believe that r5 1400 will beat i5 8400?R3 can't even crush pentiums, same is true for quad r5 vs i5.

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

i5 8400 should have 6 core boost to 3.8 ghz, what's the point of overclocking if it's cheaper than r5 1600 (i5 8400 + some cheap H motherboard should be cheaper than r5 1600+b350), by the way do you really believe that r5 1400 will beat i5 8400?R3 can't even crush pentiums, same is true for quad r5 vs i5.

I didn't say R5 1400 will beat i5 8400. Also, R3 has already crushed currently available pentiums, we just don't know the specs of Coffee pentiums.

 

Don't compare Ryzen with Coffee to seriously. Coffee specs are all leaks that aren't confirmed by Intel themselves. Also, we don't know their MSRP yet. They are just estimates.

[MyName13]

7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 Also, R3 has already crushed currently available pentiums

Not it didn't, it's the pentium that crushed R3s, they perform almost the same and r3 costs almost twice as much as the pentium, in gaming they are equal which is pretty bad considering that r3 has twice as many cores.

[Fred Flintstone]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

B350 and X370 have the same compatible CPUs. Are you talking about Threadripper with X399 chipset? X370 is pretty much B350 with SLI support and a few more ports.

SLI and CF support is nice to have, same with 10Gbps USB, extended storage capabilities and slightly better power delivery. Also, B350s aren't as "sexy" as X370s, RGB and I/O shrouds are gorgeous ...

[Jurrunio]

47 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Not it didn't, it's the pentium that crushed R3s, they perform almost the same and r3 costs almost twice as much as the pentium, in gaming they are equal which is pretty bad considering that r3 has twice as many cores.

hmm interesting point. I havent seen youtube reviewers saying so. Any proofs?

[MyName13]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

hmm interesting point. I havent seen youtube reviewers saying so. Any proofs?

Don't blindly trust youtubers, check digital foundry's review of i5 7600k and ryzen 1600 vs i5 7600k, in the far cry primal benchmark i5 somehow become a lot worse than it was in their first review.By the way check how r3 performs when compared to the pentium and i5

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3002-amd-r3-1200-review-line-between-fine-and-exciting/page-4

[Fred Flintstone]

6 hours ago, MyName13 said:

Don't blindly trust youtubers, check digital foundry's review of i5 7600k and ryzen 1600 vs i5 7600k, in the far cry primal benchmark i5 somehow become a lot worse than it was in their first review.By the way check how r3 performs when compared to the pentium and i5

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3002-amd-r3-1200-review-line-between-fine-and-exciting/page-4

It's Ryzen's slow single-core performance what causes Intel to beat it in gaming. The only advantages Ryzen has right now is pricing, power consumption and multithreaded/multi-core performance, it needs stronger cores and a more mature platform (I hope those two things to be solved with Zen 2). That being said, if Coffee Lake turns out to be as power efficient as Kaby Lake (not Skylake-X or Kaby Lake-X, those are awful power hungry chips) and it comes at a reasonable price, then it could mean Ryzen 5's and 3's end, AMD would have to launch Zen 2 much earlier than Q3 2018 (as they were planning) if they want to preserve their current market share or even gain more. I hope Zen 2 to be compatible with at least X370 motherboards.

9 hours ago, VagabondWraith said:

I'd wait. I mean if you're not in dire need of performance right now at least wait a bit longer. Intel will announce Coffee Lake details August 21st. Ryzen is not going to go anywhere if Coffee Lake doesn't fit your needs. It'll still be a viable option after you learn what Intel has in store for CL.

My main (actually only) concern about waiting it's related to my country's currency, tech things are already overpriced because of the high import tax, but now argentine peso is about to drop, so this decision about Coffee Lake vs. Ryzen is a tough one. Though I think I can wait until 8/21.