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Posted · Original PosterOP

I don't know which one to get the r7 1700 or the 1700x. The 1700x is only 40$ more expensive and provides me with a higher base clock speed. So do you guys think I should get a 1700x or save 40$ and go for the 1700?

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Get the 1700. If you overclock it the 1700 can actually perform like an 1800X.


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8 minutes ago, Xxetro said:

I don't know which one to get the r7 1700 or the 1700x. The 1700x is only 40$ more expensive and provides me with a higher base clock speed. So do you guys think I should get a 1700x or save 40$ and go for the 1700?

depends if you want to overclock. if you are going to overclock you are better off getting the r7 1700. if you plan on not messing with overclocking then the faster base and boost clock of the r7 1700x will actually be relevant and the 40 dollars for the higher base and boost would be worth it.

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8 minutes ago, BingoFishy said:

Get the 1700. If you overclock it the 1700 can actually perform like an 1800X.

whats actually the difference betweend the normal cpu and the X skew one?

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Are you willing to do some OCing?

5 minutes ago, Tiwaz said:

whats actually the difference betweend the normal cpu and the X skew one?

Higher clock speeds out of the box, and x skew doesn't come with a cooler


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Just now, Himommies said:

Neither.Just OC a 1600 and you have a 1800x

1700*. 1600 only has 6 cores.


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13 minutes ago, Tiwaz said:

whats actually the difference betweend the normal cpu and the X skew one?

Higher base clocks and no cooler included.

Also, according to AMD, the X skews are supposed to have more overclocking headroom.  For the most part though, this hasn't turned out to be true.

 

Anyways.  If you don't plan on overclocking ever, the 1700X would be better for the higher base clock.  But the Wraith coolers included with AMDs CPUs actually allow for modest overclocks, so I'd say just go with 1700 and either a B350 or X370 mobo and get at least a modest overclock out of it.


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1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

depends if you want to overclock. if you are going to overclock you are better off getting the r7 1700. if you plan on not messing with overclocking then the faster base and boost clock of the r7 1700x will actually be relevant and the 40 dollars for the higher base and boost would be worth it.

So can I overclock the base clock of the 1700 to 3.7 and just leave it at that?

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I strongly recommend you get the 1700 since it is cheaper and comes with a decent cooler (WITH RGB LIGHTS!!!!) in the box that will definitely let you overclock it to the same speed as the 1700X. I say the 1700 is better mostly because of the cooler it comes with (If you don't already have one that is AM4 compatible). 


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1 hour ago, Xxetro said:

So can I overclock the base clock of the 1700 to 3.7 and just leave it at that?

Yeah, don't see a reason why not. Might even be able to push a little higher.


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1 hour ago, Xxetro said:

So can I overclock the base clock of the 1700 to 3.7 and just leave it at that?

yeah you can do that super easy. after that 3.8 and above your mileage will very but you should be able to get it to 3.9 if your average and 4.0 if your above average 4.1 and above is basically the silicon lottery winners and only being able to get to 3.8 is basically you losing the silicon lottery pretty hard. I have mine overclocked at 3.7ghz because it was easy and it runs alot cooler than when I overclock to 3.9.

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3 hours ago, Brooksie359 said:

yeah you can do that super easy. after that 3.8 and above your mileage will very but you should be able to get it to 3.9 if your average and 4.0 if your above average 4.1 and above is basically the silicon lottery winners and only being able to get to 3.8 is basically you losing the silicon lottery pretty hard. I have mine overclocked at 3.7ghz because it was easy and it runs alot cooler than when I overclock to 3.9.

Do I need a different cooler if I overclock it? Also how is the performance between the base 1700 and 1700x? I also prefer not to overclock but if it's needed I will.

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3 hours ago, Xxetro said:

 

Do I need a different cooler if I overclock it? Also how is the performance between the base 1700 and 1700x? I also prefer not to overclock but if it's needed I will.

You can usually get by with the stock cooler on the r7 1700 and can over clocked it to 3.7ghz on all cores relatively easily but anything past that you will have to mess with fan curves and get it running higher with not a huge increase in voltage. Some can get to 3.9 ghz on the stock cooler but some can't it really depends on how well the cpu overclocks. As for the r7 1700x you actually need a aftermarket cooler as it doesn't come with one. Depending on what cooler you get tells you how far you will likely be able to push it.

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3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

You can usually get by with the stock cooler on the r7 1700 and can over clocked it to 3.7ghz on all cores relatively easily but anything past that you will have to mess with fan curves and get it running higher with not a huge increase in voltage. Some can get to 3.9 ghz on the stock cooler but some can't it really depends on how well the cpu overclocks. As for the r7 1700x you actually need a aftermarket cooler as it doesn't come with one. Depending on what cooler you get tells you how far you will likely be able to push it.

What about the voltage? Do I have to mess with that? I already have a nh u12s cooler so I'm good with he cooler. My main concern is if the performance of the base clock of the 1700 is close or far away to the base clock of the 1700x? And also what is xfr?

 

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1 hour ago, Xxetro said:

What about the voltage? Do I have to mess with that? I already have a nh u12s cooler so I'm good with he cooler. My main concern is if the performance of the base clock of the 1700 is close or far away to the base clock of the 1700x? And also what is xfr?

 

yes you may have to increase voltage to get the r7 1700 to get it to run at 3.7 on all cores but usually quite low like 1.25v which is likely lower than the stock voltage on the r7 1700x. well if you run the r7 1700 on its stock clocks and dont overclock then obviously the r7 1700x is going to preform better. here is how i will put it. if you dont want to overclock then get the r7 1700x if you plan to overclock then get the r7 1700 and save yourself 40 bucks because they all overclock basically the same.

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8 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

yes you may have to increase voltage to get the r7 1700 to get it to run at 3.7 on all cores but usually quite low like 1.25v which is likely lower than the stock voltage on the r7 1700x. well if you run the r7 1700 on its stock clocks and dont overclock then obviously the r7 1700x is going to preform better. here is how i will put it. if you dont want to overclock then get the r7 1700x if you plan to overclock then get the r7 1700 and save yourself 40 bucks because they all overclock basically the same.

Is overclocking difficult? And does overclocking have any risks? Also can i overlclock the 1700 to 3.5 or 3.6 instead of 3.7 and not increase the voltage?

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3 minutes ago, Xxetro said:

Is overclocking difficult? And does overclocking have any risks? Also can i overlclock the 1700 to 3.5 or 3.6 instead of 3.7 and not increase the voltage?

overclocking isn't difficult. I would be lying if i said there wasn't any risk involved but trust me when i say that if you do it correctly you shouldn't have any issues. and you would be better off leaving your cpu at stock than overclocking to 3.5 or 3.6. the reason why i said you should change the voltage is actually for the safety of your cpu. if you just give it a higher frequency but dont set a voltage one of two things could happen. the first is that your motherboard sets the voltage low and your cpu doesn't get enough voltage and shuts down in what is called a crash. this isn't a big deal and happens sometimes so that wouldn't be a problem but lets say your motherboard has it set so it does voltage automatically.if it does it sets voltage automatically and you set the frequency to 3.7 and your motherboard gives it more voltage than it really needs to get to 3.7 then your cpu will start to heat up much more than it would otherwise and may cause it to overheat and shutdown. the computer does have a fail safe that will kick in ad shut your computer down if the cpu gets too hot as a safety measure. now if you were to simply set your cpu frequency to 3.7 and then set the voltage to 1.25v you would likely get a stable overclock and wouldn't have to fiddle with anything else. if the computer crashes then you just up the voltage a little to say 1.28 then maybe 1.3 if that doesn't work. now the main thing that you dont want to do when overclocking is give your cpu a manual voltage setting that is higher than what the cpu is meant to take. in the case of ryzen that is anything above 1.45v but i wouldn't even put anything above 1.4v just to be extra safe.i hope this helps and that i answered your question. if it didn't i can try and clarify anything you need clarified but in the morning because i need to go to bed.

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10 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

overclocking isn't difficult. I would be lying if i said there wasn't any risk involved but trust me when i say that if you do it correctly you shouldn't have any issues. and you would be better off leaving your cpu at stock than overclocking to 3.5 or 3.6. the reason why i said you should change the voltage is actually for the safety of your cpu. if you just give it a higher frequency but dont set a voltage one of two things could happen. the first is that your motherboard sets the voltage low and your cpu doesn't get enough voltage and shuts down in what is called a crash. this isn't a big deal and happens sometimes so that wouldn't be a problem but lets say your motherboard has it set so it does voltage automatically.if it does it sets voltage automatically and you set the frequency to 3.7 and your motherboard gives it more voltage than it really needs to get to 3.7 then your cpu will start to heat up much more than it would otherwise and may cause it to overheat and shutdown. the computer does have a fail safe that will kick in ad shut your computer down if the cpu gets too hot as a safety measure. now if you were to simply set your cpu frequency to 3.7 and then set the voltage to 1.25v you would likely get a stable overclock and wouldn't have to fiddle with anything else. if the computer crashes then you just up the voltage a little to say 1.28 then maybe 1.3 if that doesn't work. now the main thing that you dont want to do when overclocking is give your cpu a manual voltage setting that is higher than what the cpu is meant to take. in the case of ryzen that is anything above 1.45v but i wouldn't even put anything above 1.4v just to be extra safe.i hope this helps and that i answered your question. if it didn't i can try and clarify anything you need clarified but in the morning because i need to go to bed.

Okay, let me get this straight. If I want to overclock I have to increase the voltage. Also, Im planning to buy an ASRock x370 taichi Mobo. Will that let me overclock my CPU and set a voltage easily? And lastly how much better will the stock 1700x run things than the 1700?

 

41 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

well if you run the r7 1700 on its stock clocks and dont overclock then obviously the r7 1700x is going to preform better.

If it's around 5-10% I might as well just get the 1700 but if it's more I might consider the 1700x.

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8 hours ago, Xxetro said:

Okay, let me get this straight. If I want to overclock I have to increase the voltage. Also, Im planning to buy an ASRock x370 taichi Mobo. Will that let me overclock my CPU and set a voltage easily? And lastly how much better will the stock 1700x run things than the 1700?

 

If it's around 5-10% I might as well just get the 1700 but if it's more I might consider the 1700x.

Of you want to overclock you have to set the voltage to a voltage that the cpu needs to achieve that overclock. It could be possible to overclock the cpu without having to increase voltage it just depends on what voltage your specific cpu needs to hit that frequency. Also the x370 motherboard you are getting is definitely capable of overclocking and should be able to do it quite easily. As for the diffrence between the 1700x and the 1700 I don't think it would be more than 10% in most cases. Anyways if you do a simple overclock the difference will be basically 0. 

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19 hours ago, BingoFishy said:

Get the 1700. If you overclock it the 1700 can actually perform like an 1800X.

 

1 minute ago, ThatTechKid said:

OC a 1700 and make it perform as good as an 1800X

 

19 hours ago, Himommies said:

Neither.Just OC a 1700 and you have a 1800x

 I believe you guys are being very misleading

It is not guaranteed he can overclock it as high as an 1800x

That's the wonder of silicon valley  everyone's mileage may vary 

So it's not guaranteed and even if it does work he may have to put the voltage very high and get a better cooler.


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