Coffee Lake i7-8700k z170/z270 Compatibility

[done12many2]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Do you have a source?

 

Not one that I plan on passing along to you.  

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, done12many2 said:

 

Not one that I plan on passing along to you.  

Then you may as well say anything you want.

[done12many2]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Then you may as well say anything you want.

 

Very true.  How about we check back on this thread after z370 and Coffee Lake releases?   

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, done12many2 said:

Very true.  How about we check back on this thread after z370 and Coffee Lake releases?   

[Guest]

It seems like intel is rushing out more CPU's than ever.

[done12many2]

2 minutes ago, TheBeastPC said:

It seems like intel is rushing out more CPU's than ever.

 

What gives you the impression of "rushing"?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, done12many2 said:

 

What gives you the impression of "rushing"?

Well they have released a lot of skylake X CPU's such as the core i9 and core i7, plus a kabylake X core i5. Intel has released several different models of the sylake X family which is why I used the term "rushing".

[done12many2]

1 minute ago, TheBeastPC said:

Well they have released a lot of skylake X CPU's such as the core i9 and core i7, plus a kabylake X core i5. Intel has released several different models of the sylake X family which is why I used the term "rushing".

 

Thanks for the clarification.

 

No doubt that they "rushed" or brought in the 12 through 18 core Skylake-X parts earlier than anticipated, but the Kaby Lake X and 6 through 10 core Skylake X parts were as planned.  So is Coffee Lake.  

[Killer007]

It's very likely to keep the same 1151 socket. Maybe up to mobo manufacturers to give us support by releasing new BIOS or not.

[Princess Luna]

Who cares, I want 10nm

 

A whole new motherboard just for 1 gen, and people still buy boards for "future-proofing?" lmao.

[VagabondWraith]

According to this leak, it's showing 1151 LGA.

 

[NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle]

12 minutes ago, VagabondWraith said:

According to this leak, it's showing 1151 LGA.

 

Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean Intel is going to allow 100 and 200 series mobos to support Coffee Lake.

So until Intel themselves officially say it is or it isn't, we don't know.

[MageTank]

3 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Do you have a source?

I don't know if my word means anything, but let's say I too know of what he speaks of, and I can say this:

The chipset itself, Z270, supports Coffeelake. The current sockets on the other hand, do not. The internal pin configuration on every known board currently in use, is incompatible with Coffeelake due to how the power delivery of those pins were designed to accommodate the new cores, along with some minor tweaks to the memory subsystem to improve official DDR4 compatibility up to 2666mhz.

 

It is far easier to say you need a Z370 board, because it is highly unlikely that we will see current Z270 boards get an updated revision with a proper pin configuration to support CFL. That will only bring more confusion (similar to Z87/Z97 DC support being hit or miss depending on boards). Do I agree with Intel's reasoning behind this? Not at all, and it only further invalidates CFL as a potential platform option for most people. Why would anyone in their right mind, upgrade from Kaby to Coffeelake, requiring an entirely new platform, when they can just spend that money and upgrade to X299 instead, and have a future upgrade path that isn't limited to 6 cores at max? It just makes zero sense to me.

 

Had Coffeelake supported the current boards in circulation (even if it came at a clock speed disadvantage), at the very least, people could get more cores at the cost of clocks, without having to buy an entirely new motherboard. Instead, we now have this odd in-between platform that is essentially exactly the same as Kaby as far as IPC and features goes, but offers 2 more cores, stuffed in between yet another architecture that is similar to Kaby in terms of IPC (minus the cache changes) but offers far more cores. This is the most obfuscated product stack that I have ever personally seen.

[He_162]

No one knows, all speculation.

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, He_162 said:

No one knows, all speculation.

Not everyone knows*, mostly speculation*.  

[ARikozuM]

24 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Not everyone knows*, mostly speculation*.  

Let's not derail the thread by playing with semantics...

26 minutes ago, He_162 said:

No one knows, ... all speculation.

What is "all speculation" referring to? Is it the finite limit of space? The reason for our being? The afterlife? 

[MageTank]

11 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Let's not derail the thread by playing with semantics...

What is "all speculation" referring to? Is it the finite limit of space? The reason for our being? The afterlife? 

I am not playing with semantics. I was merely making a joke. No need to play mod again Arikozum, we are all adults here. 

[ARikozuM]

8 minutes ago, MageTank said:

I am not playing with semantics. I was merely making a joke. No need to play mod again Arikozum, we are all adults here. 

I [sniffle] just wanted to play, too...

[MageTank]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I [sniffle] just wanted to play, too...

Arikozum...I...

[ARikozuM]

6 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Arikozum...I...

I... Lex Luther you?

[MageTank]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I... Lex Luther you?

Huh, it does look like Lex Luther. I just googled "Handsome Face" and that popped up. 

[He_162]

5 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Let's not derail the thread by playing with semantics...

What is "all speculation" referring to? Is it the finite limit of space? The reason for our being? The afterlife? 

You're derailing the thread, I was simply pointing out we have no official information or even info hinting at it using LGA1150 / being compatible with Z1/270

[Coaxialgamer]

Intel hasn't confirmed anything atm , so socket compatibility isn't known .

 

However , given the power requirements of a 6 core chip on the same node , it'll probably exceed the power limitations of the socket.

[Killer007]

6 hours ago, MageTank said:

I don't know if my word means anything, but let's say I too know of what he speaks of, and I can say this:

The chipset itself, Z270, supports Coffeelake. The current sockets on the other hand, do not. The internal pin configuration on every known board currently in use, is incompatible with Coffeelake due to how the power delivery of those pins were designed to accommodate the new cores, along with some minor tweaks to the memory subsystem to improve official DDR4 compatibility up to 2666mhz.

 

It is far easier to say you need a Z370 board, because it is highly unlikely that we will see current Z270 boards get an updated revision with a proper pin configuration to support CFL. That will only bring more confusion (similar to Z87/Z97 DC support being hit or miss depending on boards). Do I agree with Intel's reasoning behind this? Not at all, and it only further invalidates CFL as a potential platform option for most people. Why would anyone in their right mind, upgrade from Kaby to Coffeelake, requiring an entirely new platform, when they can just spend that money and upgrade to X299 instead, and have a future upgrade path that isn't limited to 6 cores at max? It just makes zero sense to me.

 

Had Coffeelake supported the current boards in circulation (even if it came at a clock speed disadvantage), at the very least, people could get more cores at the cost of clocks, without having to buy an entirely new motherboard. Instead, we now have this odd in-between platform that is essentially exactly the same as Kaby as far as IPC and features goes, but offers 2 more cores, stuffed in between yet another architecture that is similar to Kaby in terms of IPC (minus the cache changes) but offers far more cores. This is the most obfuscated product stack that I have ever personally seen.

So if Coffee Lake release date is august-september and Z370 chipset launches in Q1 2018, the processors will be in stores with no compatibility whatsoever? That doesn't seem right to me.

[MageTank]

1 minute ago, Killer007 said:

So if Coffee Lake release date is august-september and Z370 chipset launches in Q1 2018, the processors will be in stores with no compatibility whatsoever? That doesn't seem right to me.

Huh? Where is the Aug/September date coming from? That's for the bigger Skylake-X chips. As far as I am aware, CFL was slated for Q4 2017/Q1 of 2018. Meaning, Oct at earliest, March 2018 at latest. 

 

The hardest part about conveying information I am not supposed to know, is doing it in a way that won't get somebody in trouble. All I can say is, it won't work, and that the only way for it to be proven, is to wait until it launches so that you can see that it doesn't. As for release dates, that has pretty much always been on the roadmaps (aside from delays) and all other recent leaks also show a similar Q4 2017/ Q1 2018 date.