This $7000 Card Does WHAT?? – Holy $H!T

[Fiat-Libertas]

Can you explain why it is such a big deal to have to lower the preview quality to get adequate timeline performance??

 

I don't understand what the advantage would be. 

[riklaunim]

1 hour ago, Razor512 said:

I wonder how hard it would be for them to make a phi module where it can just show up as 64 additional cores?

 

Xeon Phi is designed somewhat like a network device (cores aren't visible to the host and special Linux OS is working on the card that handles the communication and computation). For Phi to be used most efficiently the code must be written and optimized against it.

[Razor512]

1 minute ago, Fiat-Libertas said:

Can you explain why it is such a big deal to have to lower the preview quality to get adequate timeline performance??

 

I don't understand what the advantage would be. 

Sometimes a lower preview quality will cause issues when doing rotoscoping or doing other detail work, as some edits can look find at a low resolution, but look bad at a high resolution when you see that the masks made no longer properly cover the subject. If you watched the True Blood TV series, especially the episode there was some kind of energy explosion outside of that giant tent, you would notice the mask used going crazy, indicating that they likely rushed through and used a really low res proxy footage to do the masking.

[themctipers]

maybe quadro sli?

[Luscious]

So let me get this right - Red wants it's customers to spend $7000 on a card to solve a (hardware) problem caused by a (software) problem that shouldn't even exist in the first place???

 

Of course, finger-pointing is easy blaming Adobe for lackluster hardware support or GPU driver vendors for lacking timely updates. Yet the solution seems quite simple and has been around for years - multi GPU support. We've already got CUDA, so why not tweak the software being used (Adobe) to spread that workload across four Quadro cards??? Hell for $35K you could probably get programmers lining up to rewrite the software itself.

 

I don't see this as a hardware problem at all - four Pascal cards can push PLENTY of performance. It's greedy software companies overcharging for poorly-optimized proprietary code. And it's made worse by the fact that Red is capitalizing on this making users spend thousands more for only a marginal boost in productivity.

[Hiitchy]

My only question on this card is, does it get hot enough to cook on?

[Azlaem]

@LinusTech 

Can Geforce cards now play 10-bits in OpenGL (Photoshop, Premiere, etc.)? As was said in the video, this feature was unique to the Quadro line.

[biotoxin]

how did nobody give you grief for checking drivers as a sound device?

 

anyway this is why I applied when you were hiring because I knew you'd need someone who actually knew about FPGA's at some point, this is a perfect scenario to get a few to provide those benefits you're looking for in timeline scrubbing and rendering performance. I can't speak to performance of RED footage specifically but I can say I've seen them implemented in adobe workflows in the past.

 

Maybe have an intern look into it.

[VanayadGaming]

@LinusTech

 

I was wondering if you considered an SSG card from AMD. They demoed 8k scrubbing with no issues. I mean, it was basically designed for what you wanted. I know it doesn't use CUDA, but a comparison video would be nice anyway.. 

/hoping someone will actually see this post.

[Ezio Auditore]

Why not use final cut pro? Most of your RED using industry affiliates use it.

[righteousbae]

Nice to see Red is bringing back the physx card

[System Error Message]

can the card also make me a sandwhich?

[scottyseng]

On ‎7‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 2:47 PM, Razor512 said:

The quadro cards are just cards that likely cost less to make than the gaming cards, but because they do a little extra QA on the drivers, as well as more testing with professional applications, they use that as reasoning to price gouge. From what I have seen, it is often difficult to see any difference at all in reliability between the quadro and geforce cards (as long as they are using a type of processing that both cards have enabled and not crippled in the bios).

I agree, reliability wise, it's hard to tell. Software optimization wise, it can be noticeable. Some professional programs have features that are disabled unless you have workstation GPU (not just 10-bit color either). Also, tessellation optimization matters when dealing with high amount of polygons in 3D modeling. My FirePro V7900 while getting less fps overall than my 980 Ti or 1070 in 3DS max, remains more stable and usable with high poly scenes (The 1070 / 980 Ti would just lag where the FirePro would not).

 

I'd agree that most users would be fine with GeForce / Radeon cards though. It really would be cool if the Xeon Phi could be used for acceleration of encoding too.

[BachChain]

9 hours ago, VanayadGaming said:

@LinusTech

 

I was wondering if you considered an SSG card from AMD. They demoed 8k scrubbing with no issues. I mean, it was basically designed for what you wanted. I know it doesn't use CUDA, but a comparison video would be nice anyway.. 

/hoping someone will actually see this post.

Except it's not. Besides the SSD glued to it, the SSG is literally just a regular firepro.

[NumLock21]

On 7/23/2017 at 6:49 PM, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Nothing.

It sucks your entire life saving tho.

 

[Taf the Ghost]

I'm starting to think Linus rather much hates RED. 

[JoostinOnline]

Other than the Ryzen 5 one, this is the only title I consider to be click-baity.  I'm not throwing a fit over it, but I'm surprised that there aren't a lot of complaints about it.   People got angry over the SLI one even though there were tons of indicators that it was about USB drives.

[VanayadGaming]

7 hours ago, BachChain said:

Except it's not. Besides the SSD glued to it, the SSG is literally just a regular firepro.

Well, not really. They did a custom controller for that card so that it can try and do exactly what they did in the video. Scrape the timeline of an 8k video. With no stuttering. If it were just what you said, then a quadro with an ssd could do the same. Which it  can't.

[LAwLz]

On 7/24/2017 at 7:02 AM, Azlaem said:

@LinusTech 

Can Geforce cards now play 10-bits in OpenGL (Photoshop, Premiere, etc.)? As was said in the video, this feature was unique to the Quadro line.

Pascal cards can output 10bit through DirectX and fullscreen exclusive OpenGL. It can not output 10 bit color over windowed OpenGL (like Photoshop and Premier uses)

[Tam3n]

This card can do what

 

[martinedu476]

which program was used to measure frames per second in the premiere pro 6k playback?