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Recently i wanted to upgrade my old HP Pavilion (+/- 5 years old) with a gtx 1050 ti.

Originally (and currently) it is equipped with:
- generic MOBO with 1 PCI-E slot
- Core i5-2500
- 8Gb DDR3 RAM
- Geforce gt545


When i replace my old graphics card with the new one i encounter several problems. Boot times become ridiculously long, only a part of the screen is actually displayed (does fill the entire 1080p monitor though), i seem to be unable to change the resolution and when i try to, the display becomes somewhat glitchy.

I believe there shouldn't be any compatibility issues and that i installed the gtx1050 ti correctly.

As you probably have guessed by now i'm new to PC modding/building, so any ideas or help would be very welcome.

Using UEFI bios? New Nvidia cards can sometimes not work right with legacy BIOS.

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Recently i wanted to upgrade my old HP Pavilion (+/- 5 years old) with a gtx 1050 ti.

Originally (and currently) it is equipped with:
- generic MOBO with 1 PCI-E slot
- Core i5-2500
- 8Gb DDR3 RAM
- Geforce gt545


When i replace my old graphics card with the new one i encounter several problems. Boot times become ridiculously long, only a part of the screen is actually displayed (does fill the entire 1080p monitor though), i seem to be unable to change the resolution and when i try to, the display becomes somewhat glitchy.

I believe there shouldn't be any compatibility issues and that i installed the gtx1050 ti correctly.

As you probably have guessed by now i'm new to PC modding/building, so any ideas or help would be very welcome.

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6 minutes ago, TomB11 said:

Recently i wanted to upgrade my old HP Pavilion (+/- 5 years old) with a gtx 1050 ti.

Originally (and currently) it is equipped with:
- generic MOBO with 1 PCI-E slot
- Core i5-2500
- 8Gb DDR3 RAM
- Geforce gt545


When i replace my old graphics card with the new one i encounter several problems. Boot times become ridiculously long, only a part of the screen is actually displayed (does fill the entire 1080p monitor though), i seem to be unable to change the resolution and when i try to, the display becomes somewhat glitchy.

I believe there shouldn't be any compatibility issues and that i installed the gtx1050 ti correctly.

As you probably have guessed by now i'm new to PC modding/building, so any ideas or help would be very welcome.

Using UEFI bios? New Nvidia cards can sometimes not work right with legacy BIOS.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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No, my system still uses legacy BIOS.
Is it possible to switch to UEFI in a (relatively) simple way? 

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4 hours ago, TomB11 said:

No, my system still uses legacy BIOS.
Is it possible to switch to UEFI in a (relatively) simple way? 

Is picking a good used product simple? 2nd gen is when UEFI starts to get popular, so some mobos support UEFI while others don't. Finding the right one will take a bit of time.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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you dont need a UEFi bios, i have a titan x psacal running on ivybridge on a board that is set to boot via legacy. Aside from that i also enable the IGP(though not connect display to it) and also have 2 HD 7970s as well on it. The titan x pascal is obviously a reference card.

 

Cards that have firmware for UEFI bios will work on legacy bios. You can switch from UEFI to legacy bios and everything will work fine but not the other way round without first doing all sorts of changes to the disk and OS for booting.

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I'd already like to thank you for your patience so far.

8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Is picking a good used product simple? 2nd gen is when UEFI starts to get popular, so some mobos support UEFI while others don't. Finding the right one will take a bit of time.

So if i understand this correctly, and the BIOS (or lack of UEFI) is causing my problems i'm left with two options:
- A clean install of Windows in the hope that my MOBO supports UEFI.
- Find a 2nd hand or other cheap MOBO that does.

6 hours ago, System Error Message said:

you dont need a UEFi bios, i have a titan x psacal running on ivybridge on a board that is set to boot via legacy. Aside from that i also enable the IGP(though not connect display to it) and also have 2 HD 7970s as well on it. The titan x pascal is obviously a reference card.

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If this has nothing to do with my BIOS, do you have any idea what could be the cause?

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32 minutes ago, TomB11 said:

I'd already like to thank you for your patience so far.

So if i understand this correctly, and the BIOS (or lack of UEFI) is causing my problems i'm left with two options:
- A clean install of Windows in the hope that my MOBO supports UEFI.
- Find a 2nd hand or other cheap MOBO that does.

UEFI/EFI doesn't come with Windows.... Can you post some pictures of the BIOS screen? Legacy ones usually look less graphic.

6 hours ago, System Error Message said:

you dont need a UEFi bios, i have a titan x psacal running on ivybridge on a board that is set to boot via legacy. Aside from that i also enable the IGP(though not connect display to it) and also have 2 HD 7970s as well on it. The titan x pascal is obviously a reference card.

 

Cards that have firmware for UEFI bios will work on legacy bios. You can switch from UEFI to legacy bios and everything will work fine but not the other way round without first doing all sorts of changes to the disk and OS for booting.

The thing on using new cards with legacy BIOS is that Nvidia doesn't support it. It should work, but you can't complain if it doesn't.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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I'm aware of the OS and BIOS not being the same product. And just to confirm, yes my system uses Legacy BIOS.

 

The other day however, i stumbled upon an article talking about how some version of windows have BIOS and/or UEFI compatibility and that, for example: a BIOS based install would not allow UEFI use. It could however be reinstalled in a UEFI compatible way. This might not even apply to Windows 10 so... Yeah.

 

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh825112.aspx

 

But if i'm getting your point. What that article describes also required a UEFI compatible MOBO, which my system now probably doesnt have, considering its age. Therefore i wouldn't have any other choice then to look for a UEFI compatible MOBO, 

 

Please correct me if i misunderstood you in any way.

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Hopefully, your not Power limited on the PCIE slot. (Video explains that some PCIE slots are locked to 30-35w)

 

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PCI-E power supply doesn't seem to be a problem: The sockets in my system have no reported ratings; the issues i'm having also don't match those in the video at all. Thanks though, i wasnt aware of this potentialy being an issue.

I found another thread on the HP forums:
https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktops-Archive-Read-Only/Pavilion-P6-2030-Upgrading-Graphics-Card-issue/td-p/3404275

 

Indeed BIOS-compatibility seems to be the issue. I'm going to have to abandon this little project.
Perhaps i'll try a custom build when my budget and prices are more in favor of it.

Thank you all.

 

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try to lower the voltage or power of the graphic card so it wont take 75 w from the motherboard anymore, wich is the limit for pci-e without extra power connectors.

you can change voltage or power consumption with MSI Afterburner

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