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Do you think we can now say goodbye to Denuvo ?

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A lot of old and new Denuvo games cracked by CPU but Denuvo was able to fix its proplems with a new Denuvo version but now with steampunks (the software is protected by vmprotect) which give you a real license and makes Denuvo think you are a real owner of the game I think we can say goodbye to Denuvo . Now all Denuvo games even Fifa 17 cracked . I don't support piracy but Denuvo is a performance destroyer .

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5 minutes ago, losyav said:

A lot of old and new Denuvo games cracked by CPU but Denuvo was able to fix its proplems with a new Denuvo version but now with steampunks (the software is protected by vmprotect) which give you a real license and makes Denuvo think you are a real owner of the game I think we can say goodbye to Denuvo . Now all Denuvo games even Fifa 17 cracked . I don't support piracy but Denuvo is a performance destroyer .

Denuvo doesn't hurt performance at all if its implemented correctly, its when devs do stupid things with it performance gets affected.


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I dont really think that DRM with games is very effective, if anything it only makes it worse if done poorly. I take Gabe newell's stance on this, Privacy is really a service issue, "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem". "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."


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I've really yet to experience this loss of performance with Denuvo. Especially as @Master Disaster said: if implemented correctly, it has little impact on performance. And the technology Denuvo used isn't even that new. Insomniac used the same idea to deter piracy with Spyro 3 on the PlayStation.

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If you're going to make the ridiculous claim that Denuvo kills performance, you need to back it up. 


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I don't think simply cracking Denuvo is ever going to actually cause the industry to abandon it by itself. I don't think anyone was ever under the illusion that Denuvo was uncrackable to begin with, just that it was one of the better solutions available. As long as Denuvo is agile, and able to continue evolving faster than the other solutions publishers could use instead, I think they're going to be just fine. Remember the point of DRM is never to make an uncrackable game, just to stave off the pirates for a few weeks or months so the launch sales are left alone.

 

I personally could not care less whether Denuvo sticks around or not. I have never seen it get in the way of me playing a game. Besides, DRM-free is not likely to become an option regardless. If they gave up using Denuvo they'd just find something else, and I think it's more likely it would be something worse, not better.

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Most denuvo games are only published by AAA publisher so I don't think it will go away at least not soon.

They already made a deal with each company, if it's not denuvo it's will be something else either way.

 

While most people think steam as a form of DRM, I think it as a service, since I can always run my game with or without internet connection anyway.

 

Any DRM at this point beating a dead beat horse, I still don't understand why companies spend their money for something that will never works.

 

Sometimes I even applaud to see someone defending the practices, DRM isn't cheap, and customer are the one who's paying for it, I welcome any price cut for any product, and if by not using Denuvo (or any DRM) can cut the prices even for a buck, I will consider that as a positive, at least both developer and customer will not have to worried about technical issues because of DRM isn't working properly.

 

As other mention about stalling piracy at launch, it just a statement to make shareholder happy.

Just Cause 3 launch sales is solid prove for that.

 

Just concentrate making a good game, and let market decide it.

Witcher 3 doesn't have any form of DRM even on steam and yet it still selling well.

 

 

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7 hours ago, ivan134 said:

If you're going to make the ridiculous claim that Denuvo kills performance, you need to back it up. 

  Denuvo No DRM
1080p OpenGL 98 104
1080p Vulkan 100 107
1440p OpenGL 72 72
1440p Vulkan 76 75

 

http://www.game-debate.com/news/22656/denuvo-pc-performance-impact-tested-doom-benchmarks-with-and-without-denuvo-drm

Test weren't fully conclusive. But I think it's evidence that it does affect performance in a negative way.


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Every single DRM in the History of Gaming got cracked. Why do they even try anymore?


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8 minutes ago, Praesi said:

Every single DRM in the History of Gaming got cracked. Why do they even try anymore?

To be able to protect their precious 6 months sale period after release to rake in the money. After that either dropping the support or fling out lackluster DLC to rake in some more money. Because making some profit is considered a failure, you have to make ALL the profit. 


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On 17/07/2017 at 6:12 PM, Praesi said:

Every single DRM in the History of Gaming got cracked. Why do they even try anymore?

Every single day we get dirty, why bother bathing?


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10 hours ago, Samfisher said:

Every single day we get dirty, why bother bathing?

Try again.


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The point of Denuvo is not to protect games from piracy till the end of times.
When a game comes out, there's a relatively short window when the most sales happen and this is when the game needs to be protected from piracy the most. The game gets cracked eventually, but usually at this point the loss of sales has been minimized or at least diminished enough for it to have been worth it. Also, at this point I would consider it a smart move to drop the protection completely, since pirates can get it now, but it would allow for modding, which can prolong the life of said game substantially plus they get to sell it on DRM-free platforms if they desire.

 

Doom (2016) is an example of a game that dropped Denuvo after it's been cracked. Maybe more games should do this.



edit: I just noticed my 1st point has already been mentioned earlier. I'm going to sleep now -_-

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