July 14, 2017 - The WAN Show Document

[Slick]

 

 

Main News Topics

Throwing Shade: Intel  Xeon SP Slide Deck attacks AMD EPYC Server Lineup

Source 1: posted by FinnHallqvist https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/806427-intel-undermines-amds-new-epyc-server-lineup-performance-in-its-official-xeon-sp-slide-deck/

Source 2:  https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/intel-says-amd-epyc-processors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck

 

• Intel calls EPYC a “glued together” implementation lacking an ecosystem from a company with a “poor track record”.

• ...but then goes on to compare their server cpu to AMD’s desktop processors

 

AMD Ryzen Threadripper and Ryzen 3 Product Updates

Source 1: posted by Valentyn https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/807004-amd-ryzen-threadripper-and-ryzen-3-product-updates-threadripper-price-reveal/

Source 2:  http://www.anandtech.com/show/11636/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1920x-1950x-16-cores-4g-turbo-799-999-usd

 

• TDP and Pricing details for Threadripper are out!

  • 180W TDP

  • 1920X will be $799, 1950X will be $999

• Ryzen 3 will launch July 27

• Noctua has revealed their Threadripper coolers

• Dell's Area 51 Threadripper desktop will  sport up to 64GB at 2933Mhz

The Skylake-X Mess Explored: Thermal Paste And Runaway Power

Source 1: posted by It’s me! https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/805432-the-skylake-x-mess-explored-thermal-paste-and-runaway-power/

Source 2:  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-intel-skylake-x-overclocking-thermal-issues,5117.html

 

• So far, Skylake-X has been plagued by two main issues:

  • At its stock settings it can barely be cooled during normal operation. This is due to its power consumption being extremely high in some situations, and its thermal paste preventing waste heat from being dissipated effectively.

  • There’s barely any room for enthusiasts to overclock. Also, many motherboards limit Skylake-X CPUs further due to poor design choices, such as insufficient VRM cooling.

 

Why our Editing Work stations use last gen tech

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• Talking point

 

$200 Wireless Oculus Rift in the works for 2018

Source 1: posted by jammiescone https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/807124-200-wireless-oculus-rift-in-the-works-for-2018/

Source 2:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-13/facebook-said-to-plan-200-wireless-oculus-vr-headset-for-2018

 

• Apparently Facebook is working on a new headset, code-named “Pacific,”  which is designed to bridge the gap between cheap smartphone-mounted VR headsets and high-end gaming rigs

• The will sell for as little as $200 and need not be tethered to a PC or phone: it will ship next year and represent an entirely new category.

• the device resembles a more compact version of the Rift and will be lighter than Samsung’s Gear VR headset

• The idea is that someone will be able to pull the headset out of their bag and watch movies on a flight just the way you can now with a phone or tablet.

• The new headset will have a similar interface to Samsung’s VR Gear and can be controlled by a wireless remote.

• Facebook plans to power the product with a Snapdragon mobile chip from Qualcomm

• The device’s gaming power is superior to that of the Gear VR, but unlike the powerful Rift device, will not include positional tracking technology.

  • This means that the device won’t be able to tell where its user is spatially

  • A future version of the product will have that technology

 

• The company plans to begin briefing content makers on the device by October

• The downloads store will be re-written and accessible from the virtual reality interface itself

• Oculus has plans to enlist China’s Xiaomi and its network of contract manufacturers to produce the new headset for global distribution

• Facebook has said it’s also working on a prototype device code-named Santa Cruz that’s basically a wireless Rift, with the full power of the original device sans PC.

 

What’s Coming Out on Floatplane? Go Over Current Week.

Rapid Fire

 

Stupid juice machine now “only” $200

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/07/juicero-to-cut-staff-drop-price-of-its-juice-bag-presser-below-200/

Of course I’m talking about the Juicero

KFC Phone. Yup.

Source 1: posted by PorkiThePig https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/806780-kfc-phone-3/

Source 2: https://hothardware.com/news/huaweis-special-edition-kfc-smartphone-for-china-is-finger-lickin-good

 

• KFC and Huawei are partnering to launch a limited edition smartphone to commemorate KFC’s 30th anniversary within the country of China.

• The KFC Edition of the Huawei Enjoy 7 Plus was unveiled by the restaurant chain via its official Weibo page.

• In addition to the snazzy red finish and a picture of the “Colonel” on the back of the device, the smartphone comes preloaded with a K-Music app what allows you to play music over the speaker system installed in KFC restaurants

• Only 5,000 of the smartphones will be produced

• Other weird KFC things:

  • Back in 2015, KFC introduced limited edition Bluetooth keyboard-equipped food trays that allowed you to type without getting your smartphone display all greasy.

  • Then a takeout box that doubled as a smartphone charger.

  • also a facial recognition scanner in conjunction with search giant Baidu to help offer meal suggestions.

 

Net Neutrality Day of Action

Source 1: posted by Gwion101 https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/805605-tech-companies-to-nerf-online-services-on-july-12th-in-a-bid-to-keep-net-neutrality/#comment-10122230

Source 2: https://www.recode.net/2017/7/13/15964766/net-neutrality-protest-day-of-action-2017-data-fcc

 

• Some of the world's largest internet companies joined in a day of protest against the United States' Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

  • Amazon, Netflix, Facebook, Google, Twitter and more

• The organizers of the “day of action” reached more than 10 million users with their message, while generating at least 2.1 million comments urging the Federal Communications Commission to rethink its plans

• By Thursday morning the FCC’s own comment database had received more than 718,000 submissions related to net neutrality on July 12

• But did participating companies do enough?

  • Google didn’t include anything near its search bar. Instead, it dispatched an email to followers of its “take action” policy website.

  • Amazon, Facebook and Google didn’t darken their webpages, like some companies and their alerts to users weren’t always easy to find.

  • Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg published a note on his profile calling on the FCC to preserve strong net neutrality rules attracting 84,000 likes.Consider, though, Facebook announced two billion monthly users in June.

 

Zillow orders popular blog to take down photos

Source 1: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/06/mcmansion-hell-used-zillow-photos-to-mock-bad-design-zillow-may-sue/

Source 2: http://gizmodo.com/mcmansion-hell-is-back-online-will-not-comply-with-zil-1796528085

 

• A well-known architecture blogger has temporarily disabled her website, McMansionHell.com, after receiving a demand letter from Zillow and posting it on Twitter.

• Zillow threatened to sue, saying that she was violating its terms of use, copyright law, and possibly the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act because she took images from the company's website without permission.

• on each of her posts, she acknowledged that the images came from Zillow and were posted under the fair use doctrine, as she was providing (often humorous) commentary

• Zillow does not even own the images in question, they license them from the rights holders - do they have standing to sue?!?!

• After being temporarily shut down, the blog is back online

  • Her lawyers say: “Our client has no obligation to, and thus will not, comply with Zillow’s demands. Zillow’s legal threats are not supported and plainly seek to interfere with protected speech”

Vega FE Hybrid Mod - Passing the 1080 but 400W+ Power Draw

Source 1:  posted by Hunter259 https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/807071-vega-fe-hybrid-mod-passing-the-1080-but-400w-power-draw/

Source 2: http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2986-amd-vega-hybrid-mod-results-overclocking-liquid-vs-air

 

• power leakage reduction under liquid granted an additional ~40MHz of OC headroom on the core (by way of granting ~30W more to the core)

• Under max consumption and overclock current at the PSU cables was ~33.3A at 12V, or just under 400W (+/-2% error).

• The gains in thermals were tremendous, ultimately affording the reduction in power leakage (and overall increased power available to the core).

• Performance gains ranged from 6% to 27%, depending on application and how the GPU is used.

 

OnePlus 5’s Display is Upside Down

Source 1: posted by nerdslayer1 https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/801049-oneplus-5%E2%80%99s-display-is-inverted-they-screwed-up-the-display-now-it-has-a-jellylike-effect/

Source 2: https://www.xda-developers.com/confirmed-oneplus-5-display-upside-down-likely-reason-jelly-scrolling/

 

• OnePlus 5 users have noticed a “jelly”-like scrolling effect when scrolling their screens. This causes the text to bunch up together and then stretch out when the user is swiping in the opposite direction.

• It is possible the company moved the motherboard – and hence flipped the display panel – in order to accommodate the new dual lens camera module. (this is the first OnePlus with dual lens)

 

Teen electrocuted while using her phone in the shower

Source 1: posted by GoodBytes https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/806406-teen-got-electrocuted-and-died-for-using-her-phone-in-the-shower-while-charging-it/

Source 2: https://www.dailydot.com/irl/teen-dies-using-phone-bathtub/

 

• A 14-years old girl from Lubbock, Texas died in the shower on Sunday while using her cellphone in the shower

• Madison Coe’s family says they aren’t sure whether she was plugging it in at the time or using it plugged in

  • “There was a burn mark on ...the hand that would have grabbed the phone”.

• A GoFundMe has been set up in Madison Coe’s name to cover medical and memorial costs.

 

Google Pixel 2 design leaked

Source 1: posted by mrchow19910319 https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/806087-pixel-2-design-leaked-by-android-police/

Source 2:  http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/11/exclusive-this-is-the-2017-google-pixel-xl-with-low-bezel-amoled-display-and-squeezable-frame/

 

• Images of the Pixel 2 XL, code named Taimen, have been leaked.

• Manufactured by LG

• Bezeless 2:1 six inch AMOLED display with round corners

• Glass window on the back is smaller, and fingerprint reader is no longer inside of it but below it instead.

• No visible antenna bands

• It’s believed to have will have a "squeezable" frame like the HTC U11

 

Viking Technology ships 50TB SSD

Source 1: posted by YongKang https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/805964-viking-technology-ships-50tb-ssd-for-the-datacenter/

Source 2: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58378/viking-technology-ships-50tb-ssd-datacenter/index.html

 

• Viking Technology has just announced their new Silo Sold State Drive, with SSDs in both 25TB and 50TB capacities for high-end datacenter deployment.

• the 50TB UHC-Silo SSD is a new world record for the industry's highest capacity SSD

• The new drives are built with energy efficiency in mind, with idle power consumption of less than 10W, and active power consumption of only 16W

  • datacenter customers will save power, space, and cooling by up to 80% per terabyte.

 

Logitech Acquires Astro Gaming

Source 1: posted by DiaSin  https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/807097-logitech-acquires-astro-gaming-for-85m/

Source 2: https://www.cnet.com/news/logitech-buys-headset-maker-astro-gaming/

 

• Logitech has acquired high quality headset manufacturer Astro Gaming for 85 million dollars.

• Logitech made the acquisition to expand into “the console gaming market -- to help accelerate the long-term growth of [their] gaming business,"

• Astro and Logitech G will stay separate brands with separate teams

• Astro may even expand beyond its core headset business with Logitech's help.

• As far as Astro's headsets are concerned, Logitech’s taking an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.

  • "We don't want to just jam a new product down your throats every year just because we can,"

 

Microsoft delivering High Speed Internet Over TV Signal

Source 1: posted by GoodBytes https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/805965-microsoft-wants-to-improve-internet-in-rural-areas-high-speed-internet-over-tv-white-signal/

Source 2: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/11/15953310/microsoft-rural-airband-broadband-strategy

 

• Microsoft aims to fight poor rural internet by using the same outdoor antenna rural homes use to get digital TV

• Unused TV “white spaces” between channels operating in the 600 MHz frequency range have enough bandwidth to help deliver internet to thousands of homes with download speeds of up to 25Mbps

• “Our goal is not to enter the telecommunications business ourselves or even to profit directly from these projects,”

• Microsoft is asking the FCC to keep 3 channels under 700MHz reserved for this purpose, available in all over the US

• Customer will need to pay ~$1,000 US in equipment, however, Microsoft estimates the cost to drop to $200 by next year.

 

Imagine that!- USB Type-C might make it to the Surface

Source 1: posted by kingfurykiller https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/807023-usb-type-c-might-make-it-to-the-surface/

Source 2:  https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/13/15963728/microsoft-surface-usb-c-connector-patent

 

• Microsoft appears to be preparing a USB-C Surface connector for its future laptops and tablets

• A new patent, describes a solution that will maintain Microsoft’s magnetic connector for power, attaching to a USB-C port on the device

• Unfortunately, the patent says the connector will only support USB 2.0 speeds.

  • However, Microsoft may have managed to implement USB 3 speeds on the Surface device port itself, and simply restrict the Surface connector to USB 2.

Biometrics catches violent fugitive

Source 1: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/biometrics-catches-violent-fugitive-25-years-on-the-run/

 

• Biometrics were behind the arrest of a violent criminal who escaped from prison 25 years ago.

• Robert Frederick Nelson, who committed a number of felonies after escaping from a Minnesota prison in 1992,  applied for a renewal of his Nevada identification card on June 5, 2017.

• Investigators withheld the card after the DMV's facial-recognition system showed the same person had previously held a Nevada driver's license under a different name.

• Nelson had assumed a new identity after escaping prison, obtaining a Nevada commercial driver license.

• At some point during the mid-2000s, Nelson assumed his original identity.

• Both identities are associated with multiple felonies.

[Daniel644]

Intel Shots Fired

[Guest]

Was Intel's marketing team asleep with that presentation?

[captain_to_fire]

It was my first time to watch the WAN show after party on Twitch and I was expecting there would be pizzas and bottle of beers. Too bad they have a lot of minor audiences. 

[The Sloth]

49 minutes ago, Daniel644 said:

Intel Shots Fired

more like Intel taking shots from their insecurity juice 

[Daniel644]

16 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

more like Intel taking shots from their insecurity juice 

you're just here because you made the WANShow, LOL

[NumLock21]

Speaking of salt.

Went to this shop a while back, and I saw they sell pink salt. Says Himalayan Salt. 

 

[Daniel644]

27 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

more like Intel taking shots from their insecurity juice 

the term may be technically wrong, but really it's not so far off, Ryzen (and with it Epyc, Threadripper, Naples and anything else I may be missing) is really just a collection of CCX units crammed onto a single Die to get more cores, hence the need for Threadripper CPU's to be so freaking GIGANTIC so you can kinda see where Intel is coming from with the comment.

 

can't wait for the "1,000 dollar CPU Shoot Out" ^TM video they will most definitely do when both those CPU's are accessible to them. @Slick @LinusTech I'm assuming you have this planned already.

[yathis]

link chapters please

[biotoxin]

the rumors around epyc are beyond hilarious, I was planning out my next new server and my supplier was telling me "he'd been informed" that the chip design meant we could cheaply customize some ridiculous number of cores and slap them in a custom mobo for about the same price as one high end xeon, they then go on to try and pre-sell (different from pre-order?) me a blade setup actually giving me a price quote for a stack of 16 with a single blade supposedly having 4x of these procs, if I weren't legitimately interested I would've laughed myself to death on the spot at how absurd it sounded.

 

so I thought I'd clarify for anyone else actually looking at epyc for a server

first up what they've got is what you'll get, you can toss custom right out the window if you're getting your news from the internet instead of directly from the manufacturer

next up, these I can't imagine ever going in blades let alone some quad socket setup based on current dimensions, plan for at least a 2u per dual socket at minimum.

if we do end up seeing some revised edition down the road you can still bet your ass you're not getting 256 threads per blade and anyone telling you otherwise is psyching themselves out with hype. 

 

Of course maybe I'm wrong and in a decade after we've moved away from current manufacturing methods and are all using some thousand or so terahertz (petahertz I know) biomechanical based neuron/synaptic chips, inexplicably derived from vacuum tubes, (seriously? actually not joking) and phase changing circuits controlled by Spasers (their name not mine), maybe then you'll see that kind of thing happen. just before everyone gets their very own quantum computer inserted in their brain. right around the same time enterprise clients are moving from liquid storage systems to DNA liquid storage systems from basic water up to primordial ooze and love juices. this is what happens when someone takes a joke too seriously. of course we're still playing carbon nanotubes and graphene now laced with fluoride so who knows what unholy spawn that will bring us, the fluoride apparently making it a semiconductor instead of an insulator so instead of trying to merge graphene with nanotubes maybe we just make the nanotubes of graphene?

 

timestamps on the articles might give you the same hint which is that intel was claiming 10ghz processors and 100tb hard drives by 2007 way back in 2001 along with memristors and other similar pipedreams, only ever believe what you have in front of you because the rest if it ever comes is decades away.

 

In the mean time carnegie mellon has been teaching about ultra-wideband positioning systems since tv's went digital and at&t bought up half the airspace, so microsoft getting in isn't a surprise I just wonder what it'll cost.

 

[HimymCZe]

1) R.I.P. Astro Gaming. Another potentially GREAT company sold out to cheap f*cks with overprice garbage.
2) I'm missing here an article about G4560. How this CPU is so great, that it killed i3 and Intel cut down production. Cause why would Intel make chips people actually need and like when they can sh*t on AMD with $1999 parts.

[NumLock21]

5 hours ago, Name Taken said:

What coolers will you be able to use with Threadripper's TR4 socket?

Noctua made some prototypes for them.

[yathis]

I like how Linus talks about using X99 platform, makes perfect sense. Totally stable, lots of fixes.

I randomly picked that spot.

No need to go Ryzen and gamble.

[Steo]

I think they're very childish statements from Intel, very unprofessional. I think it's nice to see AMD with good products like this since it gives Intel more reason to try make something better again. Trying to do better would make more sense than spewing out random childish comments and it's like they're comparing a vacuum cleaner to a fan in them statements.

 

Fan: PROS: Better airflow for cooling. CONS: Less suction. Can't clean carpet.

 

Vacuum: PROS: Better suction. CONS: No airflow for cooling. Cleans carpet.

 

That's what them statements are like. Some are so unrelated that it's like saying one thing nothing to do with the other whatsoever, like this mop can clean your floor but this other mop can't do your shopping 

 

Basically I would use either Intel or AMD I'm not exactly a fanboy, but the one thing Intel still have the upper hand for is single core processing. I would have probably went with Ryzen only the most demanding thing I need to do on my computer is game which the 7700k is supposed to be better for anyway. With that being said, the Ryzen clearly isn't bad for gaming at all, it's still early days and I'm sure AMD will be doing a lot of optimizations to their new architecture and this is something very new and different from them. It's like one of these performance for money things depending on what you plan to use your system for I suppose with the really demanding multi core multi thread applications benefiting from Ryzen with all the extra threads.

 

Love the ending how it screwed up

[NumLock21]

Looks like Intel just threw in a bunch of company logos in there. I'm surprise they didn't include Walmart, KFC, McDonalds, Dunkin Donuts, Tim Hortons, Kraft, Target, etc

[The Sloth]

Just now, NumLock21 said:

KFC

core  I9 would make a good oven 

[Dash Lambda]

I also wondered why Gigabyte was in there, so I checked.

http://b2b.gigabyte.com/

And was actually kind'a surprised.