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1070, 1080 or wait for vega

Hawkeye_009
By Hawkeye_009
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I am currently using a laptop for gaming, it is enough to scrape by at low to medium settings.But I am planning to build a desktop(not the greatest timing with aetherium mining and dram shortage).

My problem is that a 1070 should be alright for my needs but right now for about $150 more I could get a 1080. Is the 1080 a better value(could upgrade to 4K and better future proofing). Or do I wait(can still game on my laptop for now) for vega(possibly a better deal than 1070/1080 or possible price drops for 1070/1080).

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Pascal is not very good IMO. It was basically a 980ti refreshed that was more power efficient and got the CUDA guts cut out. I would wait as a 1080 is not able to do 4K

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Depends on resolution you're aiming for. A 1070 is a great 1080P and good 1440P card, as you say though the issue is the mining rise. If gaming at 1080P and RRP prices I wouldn't say a 1080 is good value vs a 1070, it is better value for 1440P and 4k - which it can do, most games are 60 FPS - it's only the latest games that bring it down to 40 ish.

 

If you cant get a 1070 for less than $450 and can pick up a 1080 for ~ $550 the 1080 is better value imo

 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Pascal is not very good IMO. It was basically a 980ti refreshed that was more power efficient and got the CUDA guts cut out. I would wait as a 1080 is not able to do 4K

it will run like 95% of games at 4K without issues. Yes if you have to have 60 FPS + in every title then ye ... not really any card is doing that right now. But to say it wasn't great when a 1080 was > 980 SLI on release is a bit harsh lol 

 

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WAIT for the minig craze to drop down then get a properly priced Nvidia card, Vega may be out by the time the Mining craze ends then we'll know for sure either way.

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Wait for Vega. It's launch isn't far off, and early benchmarks show the top model nudging past the 1080. I don't think the air cooled one will out perform the 1080, but the prices might drop.

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Just now, stealth80 said:

it will run like 95% of games at 4K without issues. Yes if you have to have 60 FPS + in every title then ye ... not really any card is doing that right now. But to say it wasn't great when a 1080 was > 980 SLI on release is a bit harsh lol 

1080 is no where near 980 SLI. A 1080 FE is the same as a high OCed 980ti and an OCed 1080 not that much faster thanks to Pascal OCing like garbage

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Hey,

I would advise waiting due to the fact that the mining at the moment has caused the price to go up a very large amount

 

Hope this helps,

TT

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9 minutes ago, Hawkeye_009 said:

I am currently using a laptop for gaming, it is enough to scrape by at low to medium settings.But I am planning to build a desktop(not the greatest timing with aetherium mining and dram shortage).

My problem is that a 1070 should be alright for my needs but right now for about $150 more I could get a 1080. Is the 1080 a better value(could upgrade to 4K and better future proofing). Or do I wait(can still game on my laptop for now) for vega(possibly a better deal than 1070/1080 or possible price drops for 1070/1080).

I'd wait and get a 1070 after vega has been out for a bit as the prices will drop due to miners selling their cards and getting vega cards.

I ilke trains.

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if you do wait for Vega, expect to wait a bit longer once it's announced at SIGGRAPH for the AIB design cards 

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4 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

1080 is no where near 980 SLI. A 1080 FE is the same as a high OCed 980ti and an OCed 1080 not that much faster thanks to Pascal OCing like garbage

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benchmarks would disagree very much 

I ilke trains.

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1 minute ago, MCManiac52 said:

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benchmarks would disagree very much 

Pointless graphs. Are all of the cards reference? Are they OCed? 

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7 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

1080 is no where near 980 SLI. A 1080 FE is the same as a high OCed 980ti and an OCed 1080 not that much faster thanks to Pascal OCing like garbage

http://www.pcgamer.com/gtx-1080-review/

 

and that's founders edition 

 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Pointless graphs. Are all of the cards reference? Are they OCed? 

all cards are reference at stock speed

I ilke trains.

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Just now, stealth80 said:

http://www.pcgamer.com/gtx-1080-review/

 

and that's founders edition 

It's funny though because the FE cards OC much better than after market ones do. Almost all FE get 2100Mhz+ but most after market stop at 2050Mhz or less. Even with great coolers on them

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Just now, MCManiac52 said:

all cards are reference at stock speed

Stupid benchmark then. Are they using GPU boost at all?

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Just now, BuckGup said:

It's funny though because the FE cards OC much better than after market ones do. Almost all FE get 2100Mhz+ but most after market stop at 2050Mhz or less. Even with great coolers on them

They didn't overclock it though. Also my Palit hits 2150, 2170 is hit and miss mind

 

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Stupid benchmark then. Are they using GPU boost at all?

Of couse they are, gpu boost is always on.

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Stupid benchmark then. Are they using GPU boost at all?

Why is it stupid? They're comparing reference cards on the same driver. I'm not sure how else you wanted them to do it lol - reference clocks still have boost

 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

Stupid benchmark then. Are they using GPU boost at all?

also GPU boost 2.0 and 3.0 are very different. With 3.0, the card will push itself as far as it can within power and temp limits.

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2 minutes ago, MCManiac52 said:

Of couse they are, gpu boost is always on.

1000 series have GPU boost 3.0 when the others don't so there is one argument.

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

Why is it stupid? They're comparing reference cards on the same driver. I'm not sure how else you wanted them to do it lol - reference clocks still have boost

Right but a 980ti reference is 1100Mhz and they can easily hit 1400Mhz and some into 1600Mhz. Which makes it outperform a 1080 by a couple hundred graphics points in Firestrike Extreme. 

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

1000 series have GPU boost 3.0 when the others don't so there is one argument.

Right but a 980ti reference is 1100Mhz and they can easily hit 1400Mhz and some into 1600Mhz. Which makes it outperform a 1080 by a couple hundred graphics points in Firestrike Extreme. 

Yes, they have GPU boost 3.0, which makes them perform better, therefore outperforming the 900 series.

 

And yes a 980Ti can overclock to that, but that's overclocking, if you overclocked a 980ti and a 1080 to their max clock, the 1080 would still be better.

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1 minute ago, BuckGup said:

1000 series have GPU boost 3.0 when the others don't so there is one argument.

no argument - you pay for that in the newer card - it's like saying a newer card should have a shader pipeline disabled  cause it has more than the previous generation. Its reference vs reference - not an IPC test.

 

2 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

Right but a 980ti reference is 1100Mhz and they can easily hit 1400Mhz and some into 1600Mhz. Which makes it outperform a 1080 by a couple hundred graphics points in Firestrike Extreme. 

No one mentioned a 980ti, I was just saying that the 1080 outperforms 2x of its predecessor, I'm not sure (I cant remember) if that has happened before. 

 

Also, found an old firestrike score from when I was running my i7 + 1080 24/7 o/c 

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11520247

 

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5 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

no argument - you pay for that in the newer card - it's like saying a newer card should have a shader pipeline disabled  cause it has more than the previous generation. Its reference vs reference - not an IPC test.

 

No one mentioned a 980ti, I was just saying that the 1080 outperforms 2x of its predecessor, I'm not sure (I cant remember) if that has happened before. 

 

Also, found an old firestrike score from when I was running my i7 + 1080 24/7 o/c 

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11520247

GPU boost is different though as the same thing can be achieved with basic tuning done by the consumer. 

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11 minutes ago, BuckGup said:

GPU boost is different though as the same thing can be achieved with basic tuning done by the consumer. 

and so can the newer card ;)

 

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