Vega FE Hybrid Mod - Passing the 1080 but 400W+ Power Draw

[MadyTehWolfie]

4 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

I could get 400mhz extra on my memory when it worked but that was it, still ran quite slow for a 970.

 

I'd say 4 months after launch. 

By then volta will be released or at least announced with specs and a release date and them beating a 1080 will be even more irrelevant by then. 

[Ekst4zy]

5 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

I could get 400mhz extra on my memory when it worked but that was it, still ran quite slow for a 970.

 

I'd say 4 months after launch. 

I just remembered. I couldn't push my 970 too! Even like 50Mhz over stock was causing problems. After formatting my PC everything changed...for some reason. I'm not questioning it  

[Hunter259]

9 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

What amd cards have you been overclocking son? Potatos? 

Outside of the fury X thats pretty much an outright lie. 

Apparently. Maybe I should say non reference because in that case it is true as they add 50 onto every card.

 

13 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

970 isn't broke, overclocking isn't a guarantee. It ain't technically broken. 

 

As for AMD cards being shitty overclockers that's just not true. They may not be as good as NVIDIA but the sapphire top cards are usually pretty good. Also 50-100mhz is what my 970 would do when I could overclock it lol

It shouldn't crash if it hits 60c unless it doesn't do it at stock clocks.

[MadyTehWolfie]

32 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

Nope, it's more like a rx470. 

Vega is still a 1080 almost. The 970 still holds on still, I use one. Your potato is something more powerful then a decent 1080p card it seems. 

Also your post makes no sense 1080ti beats Vega so how is my GPU a 1080p card?

[Ekst4zy]

I would love to argue that AMD did a good job with Vega, but damn it's hard  

[Bananasplit_00]

17 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Nah I own a 1080ti I sold my 1060 6gb months ago. No potato's here. Vega should be competing with the 1080ti not a 1080. Expected more and like fury it couldn't compete and I wanted them to make Nvidia sweat but it's a bit meh that it needs to draw that much power and liquid cooling to compete with a 1080.

Never claimed your card was a potato but your definition of a potato seems to be a card that is still pretty decent at 1080p which is quite a bit off what most other people probably think. A potato would be a 750ti or lower to me

[Bananasplit_00]

17 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

By then volta will be released or at least announced with specs and a release date and them beating a 1080 will be even more irrelevant by then. 

I doubt it. Volta will probably launch at CES 2018, it won't be here for Christmas. 

 

17 minutes ago, Ekst4zy said:

I just remembered. I couldn't push my 970 too! Even like 50Mhz over stock was causing problems. After formatting my PC everything changed...for some reason. I'm not questioning it  

Done that, dosent help lol. 

 

18 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Apparently. Maybe I should say non reference because in that case it is true as they add 50 onto every card.

 

It shouldn't crash if it hits 60c unless it doesn't do it at stock clocks.

Dosent crash there at stock, but any overclock will crash it at 60C.

[Ekst4zy]

1 minute ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

I doubt it. Volta will probably launch at CES 2018, it won't be here for Christmas. 

 

Done that, dosent help lol. 

 

Dosent crash there at stock, but any overclock will crash it at 60C.

That sucks man. I guess you lost a silicon lottery hard... But then again, on average 970 OC very well  

[Bananasplit_00]

Just now, Ekst4zy said:

That sucks man. I guess you lost a silicon lottery hard... But then again, on average 970 OC very well  

Yes I know that, realized quite early on that I got a pice of shit lol

[cj09beira]

46 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

AMD cards are notorious for being fucking horrible overclockers. They get maybe 50-100MHz over stock. 

 

Uh. Dude. Your 970 might be broken. 

My 7870 at 1300mhz and my rx480 at 1450mhz say hi

31 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Nah I own a 1080ti I sold my 1060 6gb months ago. No potato's here. Vega should be competing with the 1080ti not a 1080. Expected more and like fury it couldn't compete and I wanted them to make Nvidia sweat but it's a bit meh that it needs to draw that much power and liquid cooling to compete with a 1080.

Many Vega features are not working and it's getting 1080 perf. The rasterizer will make it use less power for the same perf also. Why they are disabled? Too small driver team probably. 

[goodtofufriday]

35 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Apparently. Maybe I should say non reference because in that case it is true as they add 50 onto every card.

I mean. The entire internet says otherwise and has the benches to back that up. So i wont waste time with this. 

[Hunter259]

Just now, goodtofufriday said:

I mean. The entire internet says otherwise and has the benches to back that up. So i wont waste time with this. 

I must have gotten shit every time i've ever bought an AMD card then. Never more 50MHz over what came with the card.

[yian88]

The level or retardation of people is off the scale, they still dont understand this card isnt for gaming and its very competitive with pro grade gpu's from nvidia.

But people enjoy being ignorant and stupid apparently.

[Hunter259]

Just now, yian88 said:

The level or retardation of people is off the scale, they still dont understand this card isnt for gaming and its very competitive with pro grade gpu's from nvidia.

But people enjoy being ignorant and stupid apparently.

And Quadro's aren't yet they are within 10% of Geforce cards. Come on now.

[AnonymousGuy]

Just wait for optimizations to come after launch.

 

...am I doing "typical AMD fan" right?

[goodtofufriday]

2 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

And Quadro's aren't yet they are within 10% of Geforce cards. Come on now.

The Amd FE has many gaming optimizations, such as tile based rasterization, disabled. This negatively impacts gaming performance by a significant degree. The quadro doesnt have that limitation.

 

This is part of why most havent' said Vega RX is doa.

[Hunter259]

2 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

The Amd FE has many gaming optimizations, such as tile based rasterization, disabled. This negatively impacts gaming performance by a significant degree. The quadro doesnt have that limitation.

 

This is part of why most havent' said Vega RX is doa.

This is something that I keep seeing but have yet to find any information that you can simply turn on the tile rasterization through drivers. Either AMD gimped the every living fuck out of this card so everyone didn't know how RX Vega would perform or tile based rasterization wasn't ready for Vega. Or they did some stupid shit and made another die that is different just to spend some more money.

[goodtofufriday]

14 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

This is something that I keep seeing but have yet to find any information that you can simply turn on the tile rasterization through drivers. Either AMD gimped the every living fuck out of this card so everyone didn't know how RX Vega would perform or tile based rasterization wasn't ready for Vega. Or they did some stupid shit and made another die that is different just to spend some more money.

No one is really sure. It is a new architecture. We also know that on August 2nd AMD is sending out a Bios update to all AIB partners for Vega.

[tom_w141]

20 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Performance makes more sense now, but 400W power draw is A LOT!

POWER AND THERMALS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS PERFORMANCE IS THERE.

 

Oh no wait wrong Company.

 

(In case anyone thinks i'm serious: Vega is still trash)

[Bananasplit_00]

23 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Just wait for optimizations to come after launch.

 

...am I doing "typical AMD fan" right?

Yep, right on. But we know some of what's broken on Vega so we know that it's gong to at least draw less power. 

 

18 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

This is something that I keep seeing but have yet to find any information that you can simply turn on the tile rasterization through drivers. Either AMD gimped the every living fuck out of this card so everyone didn't know how RX Vega would perform or tile based rasterization wasn't ready for Vega. Or they did some stupid shit and made another die that is different just to spend some more money.

The drivers are to blame, there isn't just a switch for that lol

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, tom_w141 said:

POWER AND THERMALS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS PERFORMANCE IS THERE.

Performance is not there tho, the 1080 Ti can get better performance while drawing less power and the 1080 can get the exact same performance while drawing half as much power

[goodtofufriday]

2 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

POWER AND THERMALS DON'T MATTER AS LONG AS PERFORMANCE IS THERE.

 

Oh no wait wrong Company.

 

(In case anyone thinks i'm serious: Vega is still trash)

I subscribe to the thought that power and thermals dont matter =/ I really dont get why it matters. 

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Performance is not there tho, the 1080 Ti can get better performance while drawing less power and the 1080 can get the exact same performance while drawing half as much power

I hit submit before I was ready. Please revisit  

[Hunter259]

Just now, Bananasplit_00 said:

Yep, right on. But we know some of what's broken on Vega so we know that it's gong to at least draw less power. 

 

The drivers are to blame, there isn't just a switch for that lol

If it's drivers then that is a switch. From my knowledge, rasterization is done in hardware with no driver interaction. If for some reason you can just switch it on and off in drivers that is quite strange. 

[tom_w141]

1 minute ago, goodtofufriday said:

I really dont get why it matters.

Despite popular opinion it matters because I don't like excess heat as I sit right by my PC and am not comfortable with running components above 80 deg. On the topic of power well I pay the bills so less power draw please  (unless performance is literally insane then i'd overlook it)