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The Skylake-X Mess Explored: Thermal Paste And Runaway Power

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It appears that Skylake's thermal and power problems aren't really coming from the motherboards, but instead,, the processor.  The infrared videos really do a good job of showing where the heat is truly coming from. 

 

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Ultimately, we’re looking at power consumption numbers similar to some high-end graphics cards when we start messing with Skylake-X. AMD’s FX-9590X doesn’t even come close to these results, if that means anything to you.
And if Intel hadn't chickened out and put thermal paste between its die and heat spreader, there might have been a happier ending for everyone involved in this story.
As it stands, even a custom water-cooling loop has to throw in the towel at 250W, long before most motherboard voltage converters hit their limits. Under normal operating conditions, the CPU, and not the motherboard, always throttles first.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-intel-skylake-x-overclocking-thermal-issues,5117.html

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Ultimately, we’re looking at power consumption numbers similar to some high-end graphics cards when we start messing with Skylake-X. AMD’s FX-9590X doesn’t even come close to these results, if that means anything to you.
And if Intel hadn't chickened out and put thermal paste between its die and heat spreader, there might have been a happier ending for everyone involved in this story.
As it stands, even a custom water-cooling loop has to throw in the towel at 250W, long before most motherboard voltage converters hit their limits. Under normal operating conditions, the CPU, and not the motherboard, always throttles first.

 

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and it sounds like Intel's rushed launch was to blame. None of the motherboards we tested ahead of the embargo behaved well. They all deviated from Intel's specifications in some way, from faulty P-states, incorrect Turbo Boost frequencies, and so much more.

I could quote quite a few people that argued the opposite when people said that in previous threads regarding the issue.

 

P.S. Also, the 140W TDP is a funny number for such a CPU ^_^

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just buy a ryzen 1700 and clock it to 4GHz, better and cheaper than what intel is producing.

The marginal performance gains over the price doesn't make it worthwhile anymore

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Just now, WarWeeny said:

just buy a ryzen 1700 and clock it to 4GHz, better and cheaper than what intel is producing.

The marginal performance gains over the price doesn't make it worthwhile anymore

You cannot compare a Ryzen R7 1700 with an i9-7900X, you could have more than three 1700s for the price of one 7900X :)

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2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You cannot compare a Ryzen R7 1700 with an i9-7900X, you could have more than three 1700s for the price of one 7900X :)

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4 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You cannot compare a Ryzen R7 1700 with an i9-7900X, you could have more than three 1700s for the price of one 7900X :)

Well my brother's still really happy for his entire Ryzen 7 1800x rig that costed what a single i7 6900k CPU would've cost. Since he is no overclocking hobbyist, just a professional video editor that % of extra performance Intel promises is completely pointless facing AMD's so much superior value per performance.

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8 minutes ago, WarWeeny said:

just buy a ryzen 1700 and clock it to 4GHz, better and cheaper than what intel is producing.

The marginal performance gains over the price doesn't make it worthwhile anymore

this is not as easy as you make it seem.

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22 minutes ago, Alaradia said:

isn't this ancient news 

Not in this detailed testing.

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6 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

this is not as easy as you make it seem.

It kinda is though, aside enthusiastic hobbyist people I don't really see to whom x299 is appealing to, people with need for a 16threads computer for professional workloads will most likely care for the best value since in real life business one can not mess around with extra unneeded expenses.

 

You need something that does the workload as reliable as possible, finish a render a few minutes faster for instance hardly is enough reason to pay almost the double on a platform.

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

It kinda is though, aside enthusiastic hobbyist people I don't really see to whom x299 is appealing to, people with need for a 16threads computer for professional workloads will most likely care for the best value since in real life business one can not mess around with extra unneeded expenses.

 

You need something that does the workload as reliable as possible, finish a render a few minutes faster for instance hardly is enough reason to pay almost the double on a platform.

I mean clocking a 1700 to 4ghz. it ain't exactly a walk in the park.

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

It kinda is though, aside enthusiastic hobbyist people I don't really see to whom x299 is appealing to, people with need for a 16threads computer for professional workloads will most likely care for the best value since in real life business one can not mess around with extra unneeded expenses.

 

You need something that does the workload as reliable as possible, finish a render a few minutes faster for instance hardly is enough reason to pay almost the double on a platform.

Time is money. Why do you think business' buy the slightly faster parts that cost significantly more in the first place? Now realistically very few business' buy into the X-Series in the first place when they can go get pretty much any other server chip that is pretty much never going to have any problems. This is for content creators who want to shave as many seconds of their render time or for streamers who want to upmost gaming performance and an excellent quality stream. I'm sure there are other reasons but that's just a couple that came off quickly.

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Just now, knightslugger said:

I mean clocking a 1700 to 4ghz. it ain't exactly a walk in the park.

Oh yes, it still makes better sense than any of the i7 CPUs from x299 xD

 

but yes... the thing is 0,1ghz ~ 0,2ghz is such a little minimal difference in performance that it's just hard to make sense out of over spending for it, my brother's running the 1800x on stock and it is perfectly capable of handling his multi-tasking with Adobe Premiere, Sony Vegas, AutoCAD and whatever else he uses on the computer.

 

My locked i7 7700 offers the same user experience of a highly overclocked i7 7700k in the end of the day given the display I own there's be no difference at all on what comes down to gaming any ways... people are too worried about frequency numbers when sometimes it literally is meaningless...

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1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

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We're talking about an insignificant amount of time at the cost of a very significant amount of money.

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5 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

I mean clocking a 1700 to 4ghz. it ain't exactly a walk in the park.

So then you get a 1800x. As a business expense 150$is a literal drop in the bucket

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Just now, goodtofufriday said:

So then you get a 1800x. As a business expense 150$is a literal drop in the bucket

100% in agreement.

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

We're talking about an insignificant amount of time at the cost of a very significant amount of money.

A few minutes aren't insignificant if you are doing rendering on a daily basis. 2 minutes per render, once a day every day for a year is 12.17 HOURS. That's a lot of time.

 

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Oh yes, it still makes better sense than any of the i7 CPUs from x299 xD

 

but yes... the thing is 0,1ghz ~ 0,2ghz is such a little minimal difference in performance that it's just hard to make sense out of over spending for it, my brother's running the 1800x on stock and it is perfectly capable of handling his multi-tasking with Adobe Premiere, Sony Vegas, AutoCAD and whatever else he uses on the computer.

 

My locked i7 7700 offers the same user experience of a highly overclocked i7 7700k in the end of the day given the display I own there's be no difference at all on what comes down to gaming any ways... people are too worried about frequency numbers when sometimes it literally is meaningless...

The 1800x is at it's limit clocks wise already. It can boost to 4GHz.

 

You aren't trying to push super high framerates or are doing anything that you need the extra performance for. Pretty much any Intel chip made in the last 10 years can push 60FPS.

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9 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

A few minutes aren't insignificant if you are doing rendering on a daily basis. 2 minutes per render, once a day every day for a year is 12.17 HOURS. That's a lot of time.

Oh Gee 12 hours out of an entire year, that totally makes any difference in your life :P

 

Well I suppose people have different opinions, my brother is a professional video editor and really we can not as much as we'd like justify x299 price tag when the 1800x does it all perfectly fine already.

 

9 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

You aren't trying to push super high framerates or are doing anything that you need the extra performance for.

An i7 7700 already is one of the best processors in the world for high framerates, I do 400fps on CS:GO locked just fine (2560x1080p) my point is that if you want a high end gaming rig you can do it saving a shit ton of money and end up with the same user experience as someone over-spending on stuff that won't matter, but like I said that is a matter of one's perception.

 

Who am I to tell any one how they should spend their money, but I'll never understand paying sometimes over a thousand dollars more for what? half a day in a year worth of time saving that you'll waste at the bathroom any ways? xD

 

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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Oh Gee 12 hours out of an entire year, that totally makes any difference in your life :P

 

Well I suppose people have different opinions, my brother is a professional video editor and really we can not as much as we'd like justify x299 price tag when the 1800x does it all perfectly fine already.

 

An i7 7700 already is one of the best processors in the world for high framerates, I do 400fps on CS:GO locked just fine (2560x1080p) my point is that if you want a high end gaming rig you can do it save a shit ton of money and end up with the same user experience as someone over-spending on stuff that won't matter, but like I said that is a matter of one's perception.

 

Who am I to tell any one how they should spend their money, but I'll never understand paying sometimes over a thousand dollars more for what? half a day in a year worth of time saving that you'll waste at the bathroom any ways? xD

 

Cheers mate!

Oh I never said it was a great price to performance but for certain people it may be useful. Shit. With the 18 core, if it clocks well, could do something like Linus did with 8 gamers 1 CPU and have multiple machines running at a high frequency while only having 1 system to maintenance. Theres a ton you can work with.

 

A 7700 is good but a 7700k is better for high frame rates in AAA games. CG:GO is just a horrible point as plenty of CPU's can do 144+ fps in that. 

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52 minutes ago, It's me! said:

It appears that Skylake's thermal and power problems aren't really coming from the motherboards, but instead,, the processor. 

Pretty much everyone knows that:

  • Skylake-X runs hot, because they are not soldered
  • Low-mid end motherboards have crap coolers so the VRM runs hot.

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6 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

A 7700 is good but a 7700k is better for high frame rates in AAA games.

The thing that bothers me is that people see the locked i7 as a bad processor just because you can not overclock it, but it literally is an i7 7700k at stock, that increase on frequency helps but nowhere near that much, prove to that is how the i7 7700 outperforms highly overclocked i5 7600k in gaming just fine, it also outperforms Ryzen processors just fine but people see it as if it's some sort of Core2Duo just because it's locked lol!

 

I still think that the best high end gaming rig you can do for the best possible value is the cheapest motherboard possible with the current gen locked i7, it does not bottleneck my 1080ti so what does it matter? :P

 

@PCGuy_5960 Since you came to the topic what is your saying on this ^

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

The thing that bothers me is that see the locked i7 as a bad processor just because you can not overclock it, but it literally is an i7 7700k at stock, that increase on frequency helps but nowhere near that much, prove to that is how the i7 7700 outperforms highly overclocked i5 7600k in gaming just fine, it also outperforms Ryzen processors just fine but people see it as if it's some sort of Core2Duo just because it's locked lol!

 

My still think that the best high end gaming rig you can do for the best possible value is the cheapest motherboard possible with the current gen locked i7, it does not bottleneck my 1080ti so what does it matter? :P

 

@PCGuy_5960 Since you came to the topic what is your saying on this ^

Oh in no way is it bad but there are actual gaming things that people can understand the differences between. Plenty of people have been saying these stupid high core count CPU's are worthless because they don't game any better but they are simply having a small field of view. The 7700 is a great CPU that you can put in some cheap ass motherboards.

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6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

@PCGuy_5960 Since you came to the topic what is your saying on this ^

100% agree. The i7 7700 is actually better than a 4770K at stock and almost as good as a stock 6700K.

 

Anyways, for gaming, a locked i7 with a B250 board is always a better option than an unlocked i5 with a Z series board. Averages are similar, but the i7 has way better 1% and 0.1% lows, so it's the better CPU ;)

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