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Is 82 degrees Safe for Ryzen 7 1700?

21 hours ago, Mohak Arora said:

Hey guys, Thanks for answering my previous question. It's best to operate at stock. Now I have another query, Is it normal to see CPU Temp of about 75 C at stock (on full aida64 stress)?

If you are using the stock paste, and your ambient room temperature is 69 - 70 degrees Fahrenheit, then no. It should max at 65 - 66C with the Wraith Spire cooler, however, if your room is hot and you are seeing 75C, not much can be helped, at stock settings it's safe up to around 83C (based on when electro-migration happens) I'm not going to go in-depth with it here, but basically the heat can stretch the silicon in the CPU and damage the CPU DIE (the cores) by creating pockets that expand in the silicon due to the heat over time.

That happens on the stock settings at around 83C on full load (At 1.4v+ it can happen after extended use at 65C, and at 1.5v it can happen as low as 57 - 60C, although 1.5v has the potential to damage your CPU DIE outright, let alone on load, or at high temps.)

So generally you want your CPU below 60C, and below 1.3625v or so, it boosts higher than that for short periods of time to allow one core to boost higher than the rest, and that's fine, but running it like that 24/7 across all cores under load is dangerous, and will lessen the life of your processor.

If you want it to last a while, leave it at stock and run it as intended, the more expensive processors aren't just expensive to soak in money, they are hand picked from the bunch and tested, and very few meet the standards for running at those speeds at such low voltages, all Ryzen 7 1800x chips won the silicon lottery, and were lucky to do so, and since they don't have a humongous stock of silicon lottery winning chips, they sell them at a higher price to prevent from selling out of those chips all the time.

That being said, you seem to have a decent chip, but it's still lessening the life, or outright threatening it's lifespan if you run it at anything higher than stock, to keep it cooler, do the following:

Reapply a better thermal paste to the CPU.
Keep room temperature at or below 26C (for best performance keep it around 21C (69F)
Turn off "AMD Cool N' Quiet"
Set a custom fan curve to go to 100% fan usage at 63C, and 90% at 60C, etc, steep curve, but don't go below 60% fan usage at 40C, etc. Find a setup that works for you.
 

I know this is a lot of information, but it's a good read, and it will help you greatly, don't skip anything.

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Hi guys

 

With some help from everyone here, at crucial points, I have finished my Ryzen build:


Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (Planning to overclock to 3.7 GHz with Wraith Spire cooler)

RAM: G Skill Flare X 3200MHz
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Case: CoolerMaster MasterCase 5 (windowed) & using only 2 fans that are pre-included.

 

Initially I hadn't planned to overclock my Ryzen 7 1700 but seeing everyone talk about the awesome stock cooler, I wanted to give it a shot:

 

AMBIENT TEMPERATURE: 32 to 37 C in India (not kidding!)

 

EVERYTHING AT STOCK:

Ran Aida64 Stress Test for about 10 minutes.

CPU Temperature at 69 C - - - correction: today was really hot day now the temperature is at 75 - - - - 

Speed in Task Manager: 3.15 GHz

 

STABLE OVERCLOCK TO 3.5 GHz

I couldn't achieve any sort of stable overclock at higher frequency than 3.5 GHz (temps were issue)

Couldn't even increase the voltage as it led to increase in temps.

VCore Voltage: Auto

Speed: 3.5 GHz

Temperature: 82 C Max, averaging at 81 C.

Ran Aida64 Stress test for 40 minutes & no stability issues

 

----edit: already answered---- So now my question, Is it safe to run Ryzen 7 1700 at this 82 C temperature?

 

Temps were observed using HW Monitor & Ryzen Master (both showed same readings).

 

EDIT: Thanks to the community for answering my question, but now I have another query. Is it normal to see CPU Temp of about 75 C at stock (on full aida64 stress)?

 

EDIT 2: On searching more, I think problem could even be on the Thermal Paste. So due to some variables, I will mark the best answer now, since my original query was resolved anyways.

 

EDIT 3: Thanks to the people here, all my questions were awesomely answered.

 

Thank you.

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Try setting your Vcore manually. The board might be setting it higher which in turn increases temps. You might be able to get a stable OC at a lower voltage.


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3 minutes ago, Mohak Arora said:

VCore Voltage: Auto

 

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2 minutes ago, Krillingt75961 said:

Try setting your Vcore manually. The board might be setting it higher which in turn increases temps. You might be able to get a stable OC at a lower voltage.

is right. Your mo-bo probably gives more voltage than cpu needs to oc. Set it manually and perhaps you'll have a cooler oc.

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2 minutes ago, Krillingt75961 said:

Try setting your Vcore manually. The board might be setting it higher which in turn increases temps. You might be able to get a stable OC at a lower voltage.

I will definitely give it a try. What program will you recommend to check actual V Core voltage? In BIOS, it just shows Offset.

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1 minute ago, Mohak Arora said:

I will definitely give it a try. What program will you recommend to check actual V Core voltage? In BIOS, it just shows Offset.

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1 minute ago, Mohak Arora said:

I will definitely give it a try. What program will you recommend to check actual V Core voltage? In BIOS, it just shows Offset.

Something like CPU-Z. Aida64 also shows it.


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1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

You should be able to get to 3.7 pretty easily. I have a vcore of 1.25v and have all cores at 3.7

Yeah, I planned on doing the same, maybe I'll find some success in manual mode.

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2 minutes ago, Krillingt75961 said:

Something like CPU-Z. Aida64 also shows it.

 

2 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

CPU-Z

Okay, I'm gonna try it. Thank you

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13 minutes ago, yathis said:

Its a little high, but I think in general it runs hot. Plus its a 1700 so it may just run hotter then usual, then say a 1600.

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CPU-Z sucks with Ryzen. Shows my voltage at 2.7, which is laughable. Super unreliable for an accurate reading. I use HWiNFO64 to see something less insane.


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21 minutes ago, Krillingt75961 said:

Try setting your Vcore manually. The board might be setting it higher which in turn increases temps. You might be able to get a stable OC at a lower voltage.

 

23 minutes ago, MaestroOCZ said:

is right. Your mo-bo probably gives more voltage than cpu needs to oc. Set it manually and perhaps you'll have a cooler oc.

 

25 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

how much?

I tried this just now:

VCore Voltage: +0V (CPU Z shows 1.175 V max)

CPU Speed: 3.5 GHz

CPU temps cranked up till 80 C and suddenly AIda64 stability test stopped with error (Warning: Hardware failure detected).

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WOAH. This is not okay, I've already killed a Ryzen CPU using 1.4v Vcore, and letting it sit at 79C (max temp) during a 24 hour stress test. Eventually, it will kill itself.


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1 minute ago, He_162 said:

WOAH. This is not okay, I've already killed a Ryzen CPU using 1.4v Vcore, and letting it sit at 79C (max temp) during a 24 hour stress test. Eventually, it will kill itself.

Oh! Damn! I wouldn't conduct an overnight test, not after seeing this reply. Thanks.

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Hey guys, Thanks for answering my previous question. It's best to operate at stock. Now I have another query, Is it normal to see CPU Temp of about 75 C at stock (on full aida64 stress)?

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21 hours ago, Mohak Arora said:

Hey guys, Thanks for answering my previous question. It's best to operate at stock. Now I have another query, Is it normal to see CPU Temp of about 75 C at stock (on full aida64 stress)?

If you are using the stock paste, and your ambient room temperature is 69 - 70 degrees Fahrenheit, then no. It should max at 65 - 66C with the Wraith Spire cooler, however, if your room is hot and you are seeing 75C, not much can be helped, at stock settings it's safe up to around 83C (based on when electro-migration happens) I'm not going to go in-depth with it here, but basically the heat can stretch the silicon in the CPU and damage the CPU DIE (the cores) by creating pockets that expand in the silicon due to the heat over time.

That happens on the stock settings at around 83C on full load (At 1.4v+ it can happen after extended use at 65C, and at 1.5v it can happen as low as 57 - 60C, although 1.5v has the potential to damage your CPU DIE outright, let alone on load, or at high temps.)

So generally you want your CPU below 60C, and below 1.3625v or so, it boosts higher than that for short periods of time to allow one core to boost higher than the rest, and that's fine, but running it like that 24/7 across all cores under load is dangerous, and will lessen the life of your processor.

If you want it to last a while, leave it at stock and run it as intended, the more expensive processors aren't just expensive to soak in money, they are hand picked from the bunch and tested, and very few meet the standards for running at those speeds at such low voltages, all Ryzen 7 1800x chips won the silicon lottery, and were lucky to do so, and since they don't have a humongous stock of silicon lottery winning chips, they sell them at a higher price to prevent from selling out of those chips all the time.

That being said, you seem to have a decent chip, but it's still lessening the life, or outright threatening it's lifespan if you run it at anything higher than stock, to keep it cooler, do the following:

Reapply a better thermal paste to the CPU.
Keep room temperature at or below 26C (for best performance keep it around 21C (69F)
Turn off "AMD Cool N' Quiet"
Set a custom fan curve to go to 100% fan usage at 63C, and 90% at 60C, etc, steep curve, but don't go below 60% fan usage at 40C, etc. Find a setup that works for you.
 

I know this is a lot of information, but it's a good read, and it will help you greatly, don't skip anything.


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Nice was gonna try stock but got my h115i laying around so i used it on my ryzen 1700

 

stock cooler will be fine if you have a decent air intake system and a AC unit in your room.

 

event set at 100% the sound will not be issue compared to my 1080ti stock blower :P so try manual fan curve also check my latest post about manual voltages you can use and experiences and fails i had with my system here.

if you want better cooling get a Hyper T4 or Deepcool Gammax 400 they will be fine cooling up to 3.8-3.9 with decent voltage.

never buy a 120mm aio kit in that hot country it will be useless and try to get as much as possitive pressure in your case do not open side covers you dont want hell air from outside.

 

Welcome to ryzen and good luck with heat and cooling - i live in cyprus so its kinda hell hot in here too.

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5 hours ago, He_162 said:

If you are using the stock paste, and your ambient room temperature is 69 - 70 degrees Fahrenheit, then no. It should max at 65 - 66C with the Wraith Spire cooler, however, if your room is hot and you are seeing 75C, not much can be helped, at stock settings it's safe up to around 83C (based on when electro-migration happens) I'm not going to go in-depth with it here, but basically the heat can stretch the silicon in the CPU and damage the CPU DIE (the cores) by creating pockets that expand in the silicon due to the heat over time.

That happens on the stock settings at around 83C on full load (At 1.4v+ it can happen after extended use at 65C, and at 1.5v it can happen as low as 57 - 60C, although 1.5v has the potential to damage your CPU DIE outright, let alone on load, or at high temps.)

So generally you want your CPU below 60C, and below 1.3625v or so, it boosts higher than that for short periods of time to allow one core to boost higher than the rest, and that's fine, but running it like that 24/7 across all cores under load is dangerous, and will lessen the life of your processor.

If you want it to last a while, leave it at stock and run it as intended, the more expensive processors aren't just expensive to soak in money, they are hand picked from the bunch and tested, and very few meet the standards for running at those speeds at such low voltages, all Ryzen 7 1800x chips won the silicon lottery, and were lucky to do so, and since they don't have a humongous stock of silicon lottery winning chips, they sell them at a higher price to prevent from selling out of those chips all the time.

That being said, you seem to have a decent chip, but it's still lessening the life, or outright threatening it's lifespan if you run it at anything higher than stock, to keep it cooler, do the following:

Reapply a better thermal paste to the CPU.
Keep room temperature at or below 26C (for best performance keep it around 21C (69F)
Turn off "AMD Cool N' Quiet"
Set a custom fan curve to go to 100% fan usage at 63C, and 90% at 60C, etc, steep curve, but don't go below 60% fan usage at 40C, etc. Find a setup that works for you.
 

I know this is a lot of information, but it's a good read, and it will help you greatly, don't skip anything.

Yep this was definitely a good read, not long at all when you see the information contained in it. Solved one of the problems that were bugging me like anything. Actually I'm having all sorts of issues with my system, so I have to do a lot of analysis of each component. Anyhow, one of my issues was if the CPU is working correctly or not? Was the thermal paste applied correctly? (as it was not done by me but the vendor - long story). Getting good CPU parts, here in India, is both tough and costly (even the thermal paste it's just too much waiting & hassle), so I'm gonna try & give current system full chance, even if it runs stable only at stock. Running 30 minutes AIDA64 stress test with all check-boxes marked (at stock) gave me 77 C max with ambient of 32 C. I saw a video demonstration where they show that ambient temperature affects CPU temps a lot (like seriously a lot!). So now I know, it is normal. I will do some more testing though. Basically this thread has got me into the right direction now.

 

I'm now gonna analyse each component individually again, make a list of RMAs or further component buying, if needed and get the stuff so that I'm saved from the hassle of trying to get things again and again.

 

I did keep the fans running at full above 60 C, but have to apply curve settings like you mentioned. I didn't know about the AMD Cool N' Quiet. Thanks a lot for that too.

I'll definitely not hesitate to ask a question again, here, if I get bad results after analyzing xD

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3 hours ago, MCCOPRA said:

Nice was gonna try stock but got my h115i laying around so i used it on my ryzen 1700

 

stock cooler will be fine if you have a decent air intake system and a AC unit in your room.

 

event set at 100% the sound will not be issue compared to my 1080ti stock blower :P so try manual fan curve also check my latest post about manual voltages you can use and experiences and fails i had with my system here.

if you want better cooling get a Hyper T4 or Deepcool Gammax 400 they will be fine cooling up to 3.8-3.9 with decent voltage.

never buy a 120mm aio kit in that hot country it will be useless and try to get as much as possitive pressure in your case do not open side covers you dont want hell air from outside.

 

Welcome to ryzen and good luck with heat and cooling - i live in cyprus so its kinda hell hot in here too.

Thanks seems to be a good article, with some fine temperature readings, I'll check it out.

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5 hours ago, He_162 said:

If you are using the stock paste, and your ambient room temperature is 69 - 70 degrees Fahrenheit, then no. It should max at 65 - 66C with the Wraith Spire cooler, however, if your room is hot and you are seeing 75C, not much can be helped, at stock settings it's safe up to around 83C (based on when electro-migration happens) I'm not going to go in-depth with it here, but basically the heat can stretch the silicon in the CPU and damage the CPU DIE (the cores) by creating pockets that expand in the silicon due to the heat over time.

That happens on the stock settings at around 83C on full load (At 1.4v+ it can happen after extended use at 65C, and at 1.5v it can happen as low as 57 - 60C, although 1.5v has the potential to damage your CPU DIE outright, let alone on load, or at high temps.)

So generally you want your CPU below 60C, and below 1.3625v or so, it boosts higher than that for short periods of time to allow one core to boost higher than the rest, and that's fine, but running it like that 24/7 across all cores under load is dangerous, and will lessen the life of your processor.

If you want it to last a while, leave it at stock and run it as intended, the more expensive processors aren't just expensive to soak in money, they are hand picked from the bunch and tested, and very few meet the standards for running at those speeds at such low voltages, all Ryzen 7 1800x chips won the silicon lottery, and were lucky to do so, and since they don't have a humongous stock of silicon lottery winning chips, they sell them at a higher price to prevent from selling out of those chips all the time.

That being said, you seem to have a decent chip, but it's still lessening the life, or outright threatening it's lifespan if you run it at anything higher than stock, to keep it cooler, do the following:

Reapply a better thermal paste to the CPU.
Keep room temperature at or below 26C (for best performance keep it around 21C (69F)
Turn off "AMD Cool N' Quiet"
Set a custom fan curve to go to 100% fan usage at 63C, and 90% at 60C, etc, steep curve, but don't go below 60% fan usage at 40C, etc. Find a setup that works for you.
 

I know this is a lot of information, but it's a good read, and it will help you greatly, don't skip anything.

I'm not trying to sound like Smarty McSmartypants, I'm really not. This is a good write-up and all and it's very appreciated. On the other hand, you're making it sound as as if heat is the sole propagator of electromigration when electromigration, to the best of my knowledge and sources available is simply owed to electron momentum simply stripping/moving material off a medium/interconnect etc and creating fractures. Such a process would occur anyway even on a chip running at stock specs, just very slowly, and is mostly a function of current rather than temperature. Abrupt thermal cycles would harm any medium, definitely, but failure due to thermal stress is a different matter as I see it. If anyone knows better I'd gladly retract that statement, no worries.

 

Additionally, there's still some flakiness regarding the encroachment of electromigration in modern electronics. It's always fair to warn someone when that someone is attempting to run a product past its rated specifications, but a lot of the danger is owed to the practice of constantly supplying max voltage to an overclocked chip. Many users around here have been on massively overclocked chips for years now, with no cascade of reports signifying the death of overclocked chips en masse. Part of it is owed to the resilience of many modern electronics, and part of it is owed to (like you mentioned) thermal control, and power saving features reducing the current through a CPU at idle.

 

This isn't any effort to discredit, merely puzzled by the heat = electromigration concept. Again, if anyone knows better, I'm all for it.


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1 hour ago, LooneyJuice said:

I'm not trying to sound like Smarty McSmartypants, I'm really not. This is a good write-up and all and it's very appreciated. On the other hand, you're making it sound as as if heat is the sole propagator of electromigration when electromigration, to the best of my knowledge and sources available is simply owed to electron momentum simply stripping/moving material off a medium/interconnect etc and creating fractures. Such a process would occur anyway even on a chip running at stock specs, just very slowly, and is mostly a function of current rather than temperature. Abrupt thermal cycles would harm any medium, definitely, but failure due to thermal stress is a different matter as I see it. If anyone knows better I'd gladly retract that statement, no worries.

 

Additionally, there's still some flakiness regarding the encroachment of electromigration in modern electronics. It's always fair to warn someone when that someone is attempting to run a product past its rated specifications, but a lot of the danger is owed to the practice of constantly supplying max voltage to an overclocked chip. Many users around here have been on massively overclocked chips for years now, with no cascade of reports signifying the death of overclocked chips en masse. Part of it is owed to the resilience of many modern electronics, and part of it is owed to (like you mentioned) thermal control, and power saving features reducing the current through a CPU at idle.

 

This isn't any effort to discredit, merely puzzled by the heat = electromigration concept. Again, if anyone knows better, I'm all for it.

I didn't go into it very deeply, I know the OP is new to this, but I was just referencing the fact that higher temperatures and voltages will increase the speed at which Electro-migration happens, occurs, and how fast it will end your processors life, but the thermal stress of heat is not so much a worry on these chips as it is some others due to the solder.

With solder on top of the CPU, you'll see it suffer sooner from electro-migration than with paste, but again, I was simply making it simple for the OP to understand this:

Higher voltage = higher temps, higher voltage also = higher chance of electro-migration at lower temperatues, and electro-migration isn't caused by the temps, it is however accelerated by higher temperatures, hence my referencing that.

I shouldn't have said per say "It starts at 83C" or something like that, but that's where it really kicks in hard on my chip (the one I broke) after testing at several temperatures below that, it finally killed itself slowly, but I understand why you'd come by and explain this.

*Just trying to keep things simply for the OP, but a more in depth explanation is alright by me, if you'd like to explain to him when and how it works, and how to prevent it (should he want to know) then that's fine, and yes before you reply again, I understand it happens 24/7 but at less of a rate than when it's overclocked, or seeing higher than recommended voltages, etc.


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